Anonymous wrote:Christianity has abandoned brutal practices. Thomas Moore burned heretics in England in the 1500's. 500 years. Salem witch trials were in 1692. Doctrine, practices, and a church as state have changed.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/5/clare-lopez-connecting-the-dots-to-the-texas-gunme/

Assuming the NY mosque or community center would be open door then imagine such individuals gloating in the shadow of our pain.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Christianity has abandoned brutal practices. Thomas Moore burned heretics in England in the 1500's. 500 years. Salem witch trials were in 1692. Doctrine, practices, and a church as state have changed.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/5/clare-lopez-connecting-the-dots-to-the-texas-gunme/

Assuming the NY mosque or community center would be open door then imagine such individuals gloating in the shadow of our pain.

Thank you thank you for proving my point. You hate muslims. Got it. Now conservatives can own it.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

This is the most archaic blame the victim mentality. "She wore a short skirt, what did she expect?" People expect to go about their business without a nutcase wanting to shoot, rape, mug them. Seriously, you are an idiot. The only people to blame here are the shooters, no one else.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

This is the most archaic blame the victim mentality. "She wore a short skirt, what did she expect?" People expect to go about their business without a nutcase wanting to shoot, rape, mug them. Seriously, you are an idiot. The only people to blame here are the shooters, no one else.

If you want to have a civil discussion I am all for it - but if you want to call me names because you don't agree with me - then eff you!

It is not a "blame" issue to me. If I had to "blame" someone, of course it would be the gunmen. But once again, that is NOT the point I was trying to make. This was an event that was designed to provoke a reaction. The organizer was within his/her right to hold such an event. The event DID provoke a reaction. My point is given what happened in France, Germany and other places in response to this type of satire, why is anyone shocked that a couple radical Muslims showed up ready to shoot the place up?

It was an insentive event to hold given current tensions - and you cannot argue that. But the organizers were within their rights to be insensitive.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

This is the most archaic blame the victim mentality. "She wore a short skirt, what did she expect?" People expect to go about their business without a nutcase wanting to shoot, rape, mug them. Seriously, you are an idiot. The only people to blame here are the shooters, no one else.

If you want to have a civil discussion I am all for it - but if you want to call me names because you don't agree with me - then eff you!

It is not a "blame" issue to me. If I had to "blame" someone, of course it would be the gunmen. But once again, that is NOT the point I was trying to make. This was an event that was designed to provoke a reaction. The organizer was within his/her right to hold such an event. The event DID provoke a reaction. My point is given what happened in France, Germany and other places in response to this type of satire, why is anyone shocked that a couple radical Muslims showed up ready to shoot the place up?

It was an insentive event to hold given current tensions - and you cannot argue that. But the organizers were within their rights to be insensitive.

NP here.

I am not shocked that there was a terrorist attack in the U.S.; the Twin Towers were attacked TWICE, remember; in addition to Boston and many other attacks.

What shocks me is that anyone would keep up these "blame the victim" attacks.

PP, you clearly do not get it. You are devout - fine; we understand that; the Pilgrims came here to escape religious persecution; so did the Amish- and they are also devout (to a different religion/culture).

Understand that we will tolerate you, but we DEMAND your tolerance in return - at least as far as obeying our laws and respecting the rights of others.

To help you understand that these are principles we will die to defend as Americans, read this old case:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie

-an American Jew fights to preserve the right of Nazis to hold a public march through a predominantly Jewish neighborhood.

Our rights as citizens are above all else - including your religious dogma.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

This is the most archaic blame the victim mentality. "She wore a short skirt, what did she expect?" People expect to go about their business without a nutcase wanting to shoot, rape, mug them. Seriously, you are an idiot. The only people to blame here are the shooters, no one else.

If you want to have a civil discussion I am all for it - but if you want to call me names because you don't agree with me - then eff you!

It is not a "blame" issue to me. If I had to "blame" someone, of course it would be the gunmen. But once again, that is NOT the point I was trying to make. This was an event that was designed to provoke a reaction. The organizer was within his/her right to hold such an event. The event DID provoke a reaction. My point is given what happened in France, Germany and other places in response to this type of satire, why is anyone shocked that a couple radical Muslims showed up ready to shoot the place up?

It was an insentive event to hold given current tensions - and you cannot argue that. But the organizers were within their rights to be insensitive.

NP here.

I am not shocked that there was a terrorist attack in the U.S.; the Twin Towers were attacked TWICE, remember; in addition to Boston and many other attacks.

What shocks me is that anyone would keep up these "blame the victim" attacks.

PP, you clearly do not get it. You are devout - fine; we understand that; the Pilgrims came here to escape religious persecution; so did the Amish- and they are also devout (to a different religion/culture).

Understand that we will tolerate you, but we DEMAND your tolerance in return - at least as far as obeying our laws and respecting the rights of others.

To help you understand that these are principles we will die to defend as Americans, read this old case:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie

-an American Jew fights to preserve the right of Nazis to hold a public march through a predominantly Jewish neighborhood.

Our rights as citizens are above all else - including your religious dogma.

Is the point I am trying to make really that difficult to grasp or am I just not articulate enough to make it?

I am not a Muslim - far from it. And I in fact said more than once that the gunmen were to blame and the event holder had the right to hold the event. Our rights give us the right to be insensitive - but it is naive to think that some radical nutcases won't react given that they reacted to this type of thing in other places. Is it right that they reacted that way? Hell No! Is it predictable that someone would have reacted that way? Hell yes! The event was designed to be provacative. It worked.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

This is the most archaic blame the victim mentality. "She wore a short skirt, what did she expect?" People expect to go about their business without a nutcase wanting to shoot, rape, mug them. Seriously, you are an idiot. The only people to blame here are the shooters, no one else.

If you want to have a civil discussion I am all for it - but if you want to call me names because you don't agree with me - then eff you!

It is not a "blame" issue to me. If I had to "blame" someone, of course it would be the gunmen. But once again, that is NOT the point I was trying to make. This was an event that was designed to provoke a reaction. The organizer was within his/her right to hold such an event. The event DID provoke a reaction. My point is given what happened in France, Germany and other places in response to this type of satire, why is anyone shocked that a couple radical Muslims showed up ready to shoot the place up?

It was an insentive event to hold given current tensions - and you cannot argue that. But the organizers were within their rights to be insensitive.

NP here.

I am not shocked that there was a terrorist attack in the U.S.; the Twin Towers were attacked TWICE, remember; in addition to Boston and many other attacks.

What shocks me is that anyone would keep up these "blame the victim" attacks.

PP, you clearly do not get it. You are devout - fine; we understand that; the Pilgrims came here to escape religious persecution; so did the Amish- and they are also devout (to a different religion/culture).

Understand that we will tolerate you, but we DEMAND your tolerance in return - at least as far as obeying our laws and respecting the rights of others.

To help you understand that these are principles we will die to defend as Americans, read this old case:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie

-an American Jew fights to preserve the right of Nazis to hold a public march through a predominantly Jewish neighborhood.

Our rights as citizens are above all else - including your religious dogma.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

This is the most archaic blame the victim mentality. "She wore a short skirt, what did she expect?" People expect to go about their business without a nutcase wanting to shoot, rape, mug them. Seriously, you are an idiot. The only people to blame here are the shooters, no one else.

If you want to have a civil discussion I am all for it - but if you want to call me names because you don't agree with me - then eff you!

It is not a "blame" issue to me. If I had to "blame" someone, of course it would be the gunmen. But once again, that is NOT the point I was trying to make. This was an event that was designed to provoke a reaction. The organizer was within his/her right to hold such an event. The event DID provoke a reaction. My point is given what happened in France, Germany and other places in response to this type of satire, why is anyone shocked that a couple radical Muslims showed up ready to shoot the place up?

It was an insentive event to hold given current tensions - and you cannot argue that. But the organizers were within their rights to be insensitive.

NP here.

I am not shocked that there was a terrorist attack in the U.S.; the Twin Towers were attacked TWICE, remember; in addition to Boston and many other attacks.

What shocks me is that anyone would keep up these "blame the victim" attacks.

PP, you clearly do not get it. You are devout - fine; we understand that; the Pilgrims came here to escape religious persecution; so did the Amish- and they are also devout (to a different religion/culture).

Understand that we will tolerate you, but we DEMAND your tolerance in return - at least as far as obeying our laws and respecting the rights of others.

To help you understand that these are principles we will die to defend as Americans, read this old case:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie

-an American Jew fights to preserve the right of Nazis to hold a public march through a predominantly Jewish neighborhood.

Our rights as citizens are above all else - including your religious dogma.

Is the point I am trying to make really that difficult to grasp or am I just not articulate enough to make it?

I am not a Muslim - far from it. And I in fact said more than once that the gunmen were to blame and the event holder had the right to hold the event. Our rights give us the right to be insensitive - but it is naive to think that some radical nutcases won't react given that they reacted to this type of thing in other places. Is it right that they reacted that way? Hell No! Is it predictable that someone would have reacted that way? Hell yes! The event was designed to be provacative. It worked.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

This is the most archaic blame the victim mentality. "She wore a short skirt, what did she expect?" People expect to go about their business without a nutcase wanting to shoot, rape, mug them. Seriously, you are an idiot. The only people to blame here are the shooters, no one else.

If you want to have a civil discussion I am all for it - but if you want to call me names because you don't agree with me - then eff you!

It is not a "blame" issue to me. If I had to "blame" someone, of course it would be the gunmen. But once again, that is NOT the point I was trying to make. This was an event that was designed to provoke a reaction. The organizer was within his/her right to hold such an event. The event DID provoke a reaction. My point is given what happened in France, Germany and other places in response to this type of satire, why is anyone shocked that a couple radical Muslims showed up ready to shoot the place up?

It was an insentive event to hold given current tensions - and you cannot argue that. But the organizers were within their rights to be insensitive.

NP here.

I am not shocked that there was a terrorist attack in the U.S.; the Twin Towers were attacked TWICE, remember; in addition to Boston and many other attacks.

What shocks me is that anyone would keep up these "blame the victim" attacks.

PP, you clearly do not get it. You are devout - fine; we understand that; the Pilgrims came here to escape religious persecution; so did the Amish- and they are also devout (to a different religion/culture).

Understand that we will tolerate you, but we DEMAND your tolerance in return - at least as far as obeying our laws and respecting the rights of others.

To help you understand that these are principles we will die to defend as Americans, read this old case:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie

-an American Jew fights to preserve the right of Nazis to hold a public march through a predominantly Jewish neighborhood.

Our rights as citizens are above all else - including your religious dogma.

Is the point I am trying to make really that difficult to grasp or am I just not articulate enough to make it?

I am not a Muslim - far from it. And I in fact said more than once that the gunmen were to blame and the event holder had the right to hold the event. Our rights give us the right to be insensitive - but it is naive to think that some radical nutcases won't react given that they reacted to this type of thing in other places. Is it right that they reacted that way? Hell No! Is it predictable that someone would have reacted that way? Hell yes! The event was designed to be provacative. It worked.

Yet, it is the advent organizers you take issue with and not the radicals who kill because they are "offended."