Anonymous wrote:Does it matter? Best not to muddy the waters with science.

Muslima wrote:The Quran discusses Mary’s miraculous conception as well. “Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East. She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her Our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects.” (Quran 19:16-17). After seeing the angel, she said: “I seek refuge from thee to (God) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear God.” (Quran 19:18). The angel Gabriel responded: “Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a pure son.” (Quran 19:19). Her next response is expected. She asked: “How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?” (Quran 19:20). The Angel Gabriel said: “So (it will be): thy Lord saith, ‘That is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us.’ It is a matter (so) decreed.” (Quran 19:21). Mary then becomes pregnant.

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:The Quran discusses Mary’s miraculous conception as well. “Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East. She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her Our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects.” (Quran 19:16-17). After seeing the angel, she said: “I seek refuge from thee to (God) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear God.” (Quran 19:18). The angel Gabriel responded: “Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a pure son.” (Quran 19:19). Her next response is expected. She asked: “How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?” (Quran 19:20). The Angel Gabriel said: “So (it will be): thy Lord saith, ‘That is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us.’ It is a matter (so) decreed.” (Quran 19:21). Mary then becomes pregnant.

So - the same chaste pregnancy with a different outcome - Jesus is just a phophet and not the son of god. Does he get crucified in the muslim version?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does it matter? Best not to muddy the waters with science.

Right - science hadn't been invented yet. I think back then people thought that men planted the seed and it simply grew in the woman - so going by the beliefs of the time, Jesus was all God's DNA. But then DNA hadn't been invented yet, either, so it's hard to know.

Muslima wrote:Allah says in Qur'an that they neither killed him nor crucified him, but it was made to appear so unto them.

Surah 4, Verses 157 & 158:

 

“and their saying : we killed Christ Jesus, son of Mary, The messenger of Allah - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it was made to appear to them so; and those who disagree concerning it are full of doubts; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; For surely they killed him not; but Allah took him up unto Himself; and Allah is ever mighty, wise.”

From the sayings of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), we get a more detailed account. The Muslim belief is that Allah changed the face of the person who betrayed Jesus, showing to the rulers the place where he was hiding, into a face resembling Jesus. So, they crucified that betrayer instead of Jesus and thought they killed him but that wasnt Jesus, he was already elevated to the heavens

The Quran says about God:
Say, He is the One and Only
   Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 
  He begetteth not nor is He begotten. 
  And there is none like unto Him.
                         
So in the islamic tradition, we consider Jesus as a miracle of God but a human, he is not a God or son of God. We consider ALLAH to be unique. Jesus peace be upon him is in the heavens right now elevated to Allah, he will come back on earth at the end of times

Muslima wrote:Allah says in Qur'an that they neither killed him nor crucified him, but it was made to appear so unto them.

Surah 4, Verses 157 & 158:

 

“and their saying : we killed Christ Jesus, son of Mary, The messenger of Allah - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it was made to appear to them so; and those who disagree concerning it are full of doubts; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; For surely they killed him not; but Allah took him up unto Himself; and Allah is ever mighty, wise.”

From the sayings of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), we get a more detailed account. The Muslim belief is that Allah changed the face of the person who betrayed Jesus, showing to the rulers the place where he was hiding, into a face resembling Jesus. So, they crucified that betrayer instead of Jesus and thought they killed him but that wasnt Jesus, he was already elevated to the heavens

The Quran says about God:
Say, He is the One and Only
   Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 
  He begetteth not nor is He begotten. 
  And there is none like unto Him.
                         
So in the islamic tradition, we consider Jesus as a miracle of God but a human, he is not a God or son of God. We consider ALLAH to be unique. Jesus peace be upon him is in the heavens right now elevated to Allah, he will come back on earth at the end of times

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:Allah says in Qur'an that they neither killed him nor crucified him, but it was made to appear so unto them.

Surah 4, Verses 157 & 158:

 

“and their saying : we killed Christ Jesus, son of Mary, The messenger of Allah - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it was made to appear to them so; and those who disagree concerning it are full of doubts; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; For surely they killed him not; but Allah took him up unto Himself; and Allah is ever mighty, wise.”

From the sayings of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), we get a more detailed account. The Muslim belief is that Allah changed the face of the person who betrayed Jesus, showing to the rulers the place where he was hiding, into a face resembling Jesus. So, they crucified that betrayer instead of Jesus and thought they killed him but that wasnt Jesus, he was already elevated to the heavens

The Quran says about God:
Say, He is the One and Only
   Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 
  He begetteth not nor is He begotten. 
  And there is none like unto Him.
                         
So in the islamic tradition, we consider Jesus as a miracle of God but a human, he is not a God or son of God. We consider ALLAH to be unique. Jesus peace be upon him is in the heavens right now elevated to Allah, he will come back on earth at the end of times

Thanks for posting! Another reminder that I really, REALLY need to read the Qur'an.
Signed, A Christian

Muslima wrote:The return of Jesus will occur AFTER the Anti-Christ (known in Islam as the Dajjal, meaning the Deceiver who claims to be God) appears and attempts to deceive people into worshipping him. Then, Jesus (the Messiah)will descend from Heaven, pursue and kill the Anti-Christ, and destroy the savage and unbelieving armies of Gog and Magog, and bring peace and brotherhood to the World.

Christians will accept Jesus as a Muslim Prophet and Messenger of God. . There will be no more oppression  or wars, and peace will Every human being will be financially well-off and no one will accept charity. Jesus will perform Hajj (pilgrimage), marry, begets children, and die after living on Earth.(Remember, we don't believe he was killed on the cross, so he has to die because every soul shall taste death, God is the only immortal ) His death will signal the beginning of the last days for humanity before the Day of Judgment.