Tired of liberal intolerance

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:We get it. You people hate Christians especially Catholics. In your ideal world you would have a country with no Christianity. This is sort of typical of the modern liberal, profess to be very tolerant and open minded except about things they disagree with. So go ahead and enjoy putting people of faith down and trying to force your view of morality down our throats while screaming tolerance.


You can call me a liberal, a libertarian, a progressive, or anything else you want, but let me be blunt: I think religious "laws", be they Christian, Muslim, Jewish or Buddhist, are irrational bulls--t. I believe our laws should be based on sound science, experience, maturity and logic and should be rationally directed to accomplish policies that improve the lives of every man, woman and child in this country, both today and in the future, in the least burdensome manner that can be accomplished. To me, restricting safe medical abortions will increase the number of unsafe, wire-hanger abortions in backrooms and alleys; restricting contraceptives and teaching abstinence-only sex-ed will result in unwanted children who cannot be adequately cared for. If you think abortions and contraceptives should be prohibited, because you are Catholic, Muslim, or Martian, you're an idiot. Am I being intolerant? I HOPE so, because I am tired of suffering fools and pandering to people whose minds are in the dark ages. Now, I know I have to "respect" your choices, and someday, when your daughter is in college and gets knocked up and has to drop out of school to care for the baby and ends up on food stamps because the only job she can get is on that pathetically inadequate minimum wage and she moves back to your home where your are living comfortably on your Social Security and your Medicare on your nice safe tree-lined street that my taxes paid for, on that day I will not complain that your daughter's and grandchild's futures were ruined or that you are all basically living off the sweat of my daily labor, but don't ever imagine that you made the right choices by following your religion's teachings or that you "deserve" my tolerance.


Bravo!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do liberals not understand they are trying to force their views and their morality on conservatives just as much as conservatives are pushing their views. The only difference is whether or not you agree with the position taken.


I am pro-choice, meaning that each individual makes her own decision. If you oppose it, do not have one. I am not forcing you to have one. In your world, you would limit by freedom by preventing from having one. And, in today's Republican world, you want to prevent me from using contraceptives. In my world, it is your choice.


Not. I would just not force the Catholic Church and it's service organizations (hospitals, universities, charities) to PAY for your right to contraceptives that runs in direct opposition to their religious tenants. Seriously, if you are liberal and choose to work for a Catholic Charity, and you want the pill, pay for it yourself. No one is saying it should be illegal.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do liberals not understand they are trying to force their views and their morality on conservatives just as much as conservatives are pushing their views. The only difference is whether or not you agree with the position taken.


I am pro-choice, meaning that each individual makes her own decision. If you oppose it, do not have one. I am not forcing you to have one. In your world, you would limit by freedom by preventing from having one. And, in today's Republican world, you want to prevent me from using contraceptives. In my world, it is your choice.


Not. I would just not force the Catholic Church and it's service organizations (hospitals, universities, charities) to PAY for your right to contraceptives that runs in direct opposition to their religious tenants. Seriously, if you are liberal and choose to work for a Catholic Charity, and you want the pill, pay for it yourself. No one is saying it should be illegal.


Great, then be consistent. They should not qualify for federal funds.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do liberals not understand they are trying to force their views and their morality on conservatives just as much as conservatives are pushing their views. The only difference is whether or not you agree with the position taken.


I am pro-choice, meaning that each individual makes her own decision. If you oppose it, do not have one. I am not forcing you to have one. In your world, you would limit by freedom by preventing from having one. And, in today's Republican world, you want to prevent me from using contraceptives. In my world, it is your choice.


Not. I would just not force the Catholic Church and it's service organizations (hospitals, universities, charities) to PAY for your right to contraceptives that runs in direct opposition to their religious tenants. Seriously, if you are liberal and choose to work for a Catholic Charity, and you want the pill, pay for it yourself. No one is saying it should be illegal.


It's tenets you dumb ass.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do liberals not understand they are trying to force their views and their morality on conservatives just as much as conservatives are pushing their views. The only difference is whether or not you agree with the position taken.


I am pro-choice, meaning that each individual makes her own decision. If you oppose it, do not have one. I am not forcing you to have one. In your world, you would limit by freedom by preventing from having one. And, in today's Republican world, you want to prevent me from using contraceptives. In my world, it is your choice.


Not. I would just not force the Catholic Church and it's service organizations (hospitals, universities, charities) to PAY for your right to contraceptives that runs in direct opposition to their religious tenants. Seriously, if you are liberal and choose to work for a Catholic Charity, and you want the pill, pay for it yourself. No one is saying it should be illegal.


That's right. All employers should be able to pick and choose what is offered in an employer sponsored health care plan. If your boss doesn't believe in antibiotics, you are shit out of luck. Better hope you don't work for a Jehovah's witness and need a blood transfusion. Jewish employers, however, will cover a monthly allotment of pigeons so that women can get clean each month after their period. Priorities, people!
Anonymous
There was another thread somewhere about this, and I'm surprised it didn't come up here. The Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution prevents the government from funding religious institutions. The reason that the government is allowed to fund the Catholic Church's hospitals, is because those hospitals are considered to be secular institutions. The Catholic Church has been cool with that for a long time, but now that there's an election and they have some nasty business to cover up, they want to claim that their hospitals are exempt from federal law because of religion. Can't have it both ways. If Catholic hospitals violate federal laws, they will be sued, and they will lose. They will either have to comply or stop taking federal money. End of story.
Anonymous
^^^ meant to add: this is why I believe they were fighting the policy tooth and nail and ultimately got the concessions they did...they knew they would lose any challenge to the law on religious freedom grounds, and potentially threaten their cash cow in the process, so they would have complied anyway. Dems shouldn't have backed down, but did because it's an election year and they don't need the headache. The average voter knows nothing about the Constitution...especially the average republican voter (trufax). I see more of these shenanigans in the future unfortunately.
RantingAtheist
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We get it. You people hate Christians especially Catholics. In your ideal world you would have a country with no Christianity. This is sort of typical of the modern liberal, profess to be very tolerant and open minded except about things they disagree with. So go ahead and enjoy putting people of faith down and trying to force your view of morality down our throats while screaming tolerance.


You can call me a liberal, a libertarian, a progressive, or anything else you want, but let me be blunt: I think religious "laws", be they Christian, Muslim, Jewish or Buddhist, are irrational bulls--t. I believe our laws should be based on sound science, experience, maturity and logic and should be rationally directed to accomplish policies that improve the lives of every man, woman and child in this country, both today and in the future, in the least burdensome manner that can be accomplished. To me, restricting safe medical abortions will increase the number of unsafe, wire-hanger abortions in backrooms and alleys; restricting contraceptives and teaching abstinence-only sex-ed will result in unwanted children who cannot be adequately cared for. If you think abortions and contraceptives should be prohibited, because you are Catholic, Muslim, or Martian, you're an idiot. Am I being intolerant? I HOPE so, because I am tired of suffering fools and pandering to people whose minds are in the dark ages. Now, I know I have to "respect" your choices, and someday, when your daughter is in college and gets knocked up and has to drop out of school to care for the baby and ends up on food stamps because the only job she can get is on that pathetically inadequate minimum wage and she moves back to your home where your are living comfortably on your Social Security and your Medicare on your nice safe tree-lined street that my taxes paid for, on that day I will not complain that your daughter's and grandchild's futures were ruined or that you are all basically living off the sweat of my daily labor, but don't ever imagine that you made the right choices by following your religion's teachings or that you "deserve" my tolerance.


Bravo!


Agreed. Though I think you go off the rails when you start talking about some hypothetical religious daughter who gets "knocked up" and drops out of school. Much like contraception use among religious folks, rates of abortion aren't particularly correlated to religion. So it's just as likely that if this sexually active daughter gets pregnant, she'll get an abortion--whether she's religious or not. The difference is that she'll have no family support, and will likely be "shamed" for it--which is where you get all the "post-abortion trauma" or whatever the religious-right is calling it these days. Of course, the non-fundamentalist teen is less likely to get pregnant in the first place, since they're not usually given "abstinence training" or some other fantastical nonsense that has no effectiveness whatsoever.
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