What do you think of this!?

Anonymous
So, let me get this straight. There is nothing wrong with what she is doing, so the police should not have been called and by calling them OP's friend could get her in trouble, have this escalated to CPS, or have her children taken away. Is that right? If she is doing nothing wrong, then why would she get in trouble for it?

Lastly, where are the highly educated DCUM parents? You people don't make any sense at all.
Anonymous
If I came across a car with an unattended toddler and infant, I would probably call the police within a few minutes in order to ensure the kids are safe.

I doubt this mother has thought of the potential dangers. With an SUV and dance classes, she can most likely afford childcare. A running car is not an adjacent baby-proofed room. We are supposed to supervice and protect these little ones as best we can. They develop new skills all the time, like how to detach stuff, put random things in there mouths, get out of chairs....If something did happen, it would take a lot more than a quick run to the next room to help her infant/toddler.
Anonymous
I'm new to this thread. This sounds like a really bad idea to me. Like, super bad. As in I would've called the cops on her and would continue to do so.

The kids won't get taken away... no worries about that.
Anonymous
There are two good reasons to call the cops.

1. The car is idling for 45+ minutes. Like, hullo, pollution anyone?

2. There are primarily unsupervised, sleeping young kids in the car for 45+ minutes (who cares if it's a hot day or not).

This isn't an occasional thing. It's weekly. To my mind, it's worth a call to the police. A smidge of sympathy for the mum who doesn't want to wake her napping kids, but only a smidge. Final analysis: call the clps.

Mostly I'm thinking this parent should hire a sitter for two hours to keep the young'ns home. Use one hour for dance class and the second to get some grocery shopping in.
Anonymous
cuzimawesome wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wrote the comment below. I maintain there is a danger of overheating, even in cold weather, because sun on a car makes it become a hothouse. There is also a more long-term and devious risk. That of precedence. If this woman thinks leaving her children alone in the car under such conditions is acceptable behavior now, it is highly likely she will think it is acceptable to do it in even less desirable circumstances. Such as no monitor, no line of sight (which helps you precious little in case of overheating, anyway - what a stupid woman). Or greater distance from her, or for a longer period of time. Will she leave them alone in the house, or have them to walk to school alone and cross the road at a very young age? In short, is this systematic car situation the tip of the iceberg?

If you break a common sense rule, where then do you draw the line?
That is the question. And from the facts reported by OP, I am afraid the line is far, far down the slippery slope.


Anonymous wrote:The risks are minute if it is a one-time occurrence.
They increase to an intolerable degree when done on a regular basis!!!

The MAJOR risk is overheating if the sunlight enters directly through the window. I have experienced this. Despite A/C, a child can rapidly die of heat inside a car, even within 45 minutes.

Much less probable accidents include faulty brakes, bump by another car, or break-in.

Never leave children of any age alone in a car. This is one of those rules that you do not break.
The woman is dangerously oblivious. Whether the niceties should have been observed or not by sweet offers of help before calling authority is completely missing the point. We are talking life or death - who cares about niceties??? She should be stopped by any means necessary!

Next time, OP you can offer to help. And then call police again.


I agree with all the points above, as well if there is even a pin hole leak in the exhaust pipe, the kids are at risk for CO poisoning. I highly doubt the woman leaving her babies in the car is a typical highly educated DCUM parent. The behavior sounds typical of someone without much knowledge/forethought.


That was a fucking gross statement right there.


Good grief, haven't you gotten bored and left yet? I know you will soon...just need to be patient...
Anonymous
I'm still not getting why one mom wouldn't approach this mom directly. What exactly are you afraid of? As I stated before, if you really care as much as you say you do, approach mom directly, tell her your concerns and explain that if you see the behavior continue, you will at that point call the authorities. You're not looking to make a new friend here, right? Your main concern is the safety of the children, as you said yourself.
Anonymous
Suv running for 45 min is about the same cost as a babysitter. Just thought I'd point that out.

Love, a highly educated DCUM.
cuzimawesome
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Anonymous wrote:
cuzimawesome wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wrote the comment below. I maintain there is a danger of overheating, even in cold weather, because sun on a car makes it become a hothouse. There is also a more long-term and devious risk. That of precedence. If this woman thinks leaving her children alone in the car under such conditions is acceptable behavior now, it is highly likely she will think it is acceptable to do it in even less desirable circumstances. Such as no monitor, no line of sight (which helps you precious little in case of overheating, anyway - what a stupid woman). Or greater distance from her, or for a longer period of time. Will she leave them alone in the house, or have them to walk to school alone and cross the road at a very young age? In short, is this systematic car situation the tip of the iceberg?

If you break a common sense rule, where then do you draw the line?
That is the question. And from the facts reported by OP, I am afraid the line is far, far down the slippery slope.


Anonymous wrote:The risks are minute if it is a one-time occurrence.
They increase to an intolerable degree when done on a regular basis!!!

The MAJOR risk is overheating if the sunlight enters directly through the window. I have experienced this. Despite A/C, a child can rapidly die of heat inside a car, even within 45 minutes.

Much less probable accidents include faulty brakes, bump by another car, or break-in.

Never leave children of any age alone in a car. This is one of those rules that you do not break.
The woman is dangerously oblivious. Whether the niceties should have been observed or not by sweet offers of help before calling authority is completely missing the point. We are talking life or death - who cares about niceties??? She should be stopped by any means necessary!

Next time, OP you can offer to help. And then call police again.


I agree with all the points above, as well if there is even a pin hole leak in the exhaust pipe, the kids are at risk for CO poisoning. I highly doubt the woman leaving her babies in the car is a typical highly educated DCUM parent. The behavior sounds typical of someone without much knowledge/forethought.


That was a fucking gross statement right there.


Good grief, haven't you gotten bored and left yet? I know you will soon...just need to be patient...


I'm glad you can be patient. That's a good quality to have.
Anonymous
Just wondering if some of you can truncate these longer posts. It sucks on my phone - yet I still enjoy the childish bickering!
Anonymous
I haven't read most of this thread but I'm willing to bet that OP's DD doesn't dance the same as this mom's. Just a hunch.
Anonymous
Don't have it in me to read the whole thread, but why can't mom drop DD off for dance and sit in the car herself with the sleeping little ones. I'm betting another mom could walk her to the suv on the way out. Seems safer and like an obvious solution.
Anonymous
I'm a PP who said that I would do this, but let me make clear. I would probably be spending 5 minutes in the car then go in and watch my daughter for a couple of minutes, then going back to the car for a while, so on and so forth. Probably doesn't make the situation more or less "right" but you sometimes you just have to make do with what you got going on.
Anonymous
I would NEVER, EVER do this. Not even to my dog!
Anonymous
According to a study published in the journal Pediatrics, showed that a car interior can heat up by an average of 40 degrees Fahrenheit within an hour, regardless of how cool the outside air might be. And 80 percent of the temperature rise occurred in the first half hour.

http://health.dailynewscentral.com/content/view/0001216/36/

And anyone who read Gene Weingarten's heartbreaking piece in the Washington Post last year will remember the woman whose child died in the car on a 60 degree day (don't read if you're not prepared to spend an hour weeping).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/27/AR2009022701549.html

I think we'd almost all agree that you never ever leave a child locked/strapped in a car with the engine off, regardless of monitor or line of sight. But somehow turning the engine on--which seems to me to make it arguably less safe due to the theft/carjacking/gear-shift issues (a/c aside, it can fail or not compensate enough)--makes this okay?

PBFC.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So, let me get this straight. There is nothing wrong with what she is doing, so the police should not have been called and by calling them OP's friend could get her in trouble, have this escalated to CPS, or have her children taken away. Is that right? If she is doing nothing wrong, then why would she get in trouble for it?

Lastly, where are the highly educated DCUM parents? You people don't make any sense at all.


You're being too logical. Please go away.
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