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Nurse-in at Hirshhorn on 2/12 from 10-12
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First of all, that's over the top. We do not know in any way shape or form that their (there were two guards involved remember...the first one and then the back-up sent to physically intimidate the nursing mother) lives were "ruined." That is conjecture on your part only, nothing more. The guards have not been publicly identified (nor should they be), and we have no idea if they were even reprimanded at work. It sounds like they were re-trained in how to follow the LAW and that is good, no? If one of these guards had asked a disabled person, a white person, and asian person etc to leave when they had a legally protected right to be in the museum you'd be outraged. As it is the level of misogyny in our culture allows many of us to consider what these guards did no big deal. I don't think they should be fired, or suspended, or anything else like that. But they need to know what they did was inappropriate and illegal. And your attitude toward these guards is patronizing and borderlins racist. just because they are African American men who have (relatively) low paying jobs, does not mean they should get away with violating the rights of nursing mothers. You are making assumptions about them you shouldn't.
In fact my guess is it was some asshole like has been well represented on this post that went to the guard in the first place and complained, thus setting this whole thing into motion. So, well done. |
Anonymous
oh shut up! they didn't even release the guys name. how did we "ruin his life"? come on! you're contradicting yourself. if everybody knew about the point we're trying to make or even if nobody cares why people still roll eyes, walk away or mistreat women who NIP? |
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| NBC news this morning...http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local-beat/_Nurse-In__Breastfeeding_Protest_Planned_for_Smithsonian_Museum_Washington_DC-115615904.html?__source=Watch%20This&autoPlay=true |
Anonymous
For the love of god, can you please stop comparing this issue to the civil rights movement? I have seen this in SO many posts. It's not the same. Breastfeeding moms were never sold in auctions, denied the right to own property, or lynched and burned. Okay? It's not the same. You are setting back public acceptance for breastfeeding when you make ludicrous claims. Jesus. The comments made to moms nursing in public absolutely pale in comparison to things said to my parents when they simply showed up for work or walked down the street. It's not the same; this makes me think that it's a bunch of bored, privileged women making things harder for all breastfeeding moms because they want to have a "cause." Make your point, but don't pretend that you share a history of oppression with people of color. Ugh. You make me sick. |
Anonymous
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I totally agree with the poster who feels it's inaapropriate to be using this language.
now that the hirrshorn won't let you pass out an educational materials, what does this mean for the organizers who feel THIS is the thrust of the nurse in? |
Anonymous
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For the love of god, can you please stop comparing this issue to the civil rights movement? I have seen this in SO many posts. It's not the same. Breastfeeding moms were never sold in auctions, denied the right to own property, or lynched and burned. Okay? It's not the same. You are setting back public acceptance for breastfeeding when you make ludicrous claims. Jesus. The comments made to moms nursing in public absolutely pale in comparison to things said to my parents when they simply showed up for work or walked down the street. It's not the same; this makes me think that it's a bunch of bored, privileged women making things harder for all breastfeeding moms because they want to have a "cause." Make your point, but don't pretend that you share a history of oppression with people of color. Ugh. You make me sick. My point isn't that breastfeeding mothers have been persecuted like black people, or people of any other culture or ethnicity. Why do you persist in insisting that simply by saying, "if any other protected class were asked to leave you'd be outraged," to mean that I think breastfeeding mothers have faced persecution like black people? All I am saying is that mothers nursing have a LEGALLY PROTECTED right to be doing so in public and THUS should be left alone. By the way I absolutely think the race and ethnicity of the mother in question at the Hirshhorn absolutely has to do with why the guards reacted the way they did. If the woman had been, as you say "privileged white women" I actually think she might not have been asked to leave. The fact that she is Asian and speaks with an accent, I think has something to do with the way she was treated. Nevertheless it was ILLEGAL. Misogyny is at the heart of this issue as well. And I don't believe breastfeeding women share a history of oppression with people of color, but I DO believe women share a history of oppression and I think this is a continuation of that. This is a feminist issue in my opinion. Yet another example of society's discomfort with women in a feminine role other than as sex object. |
Anonymous
For the love of god, can you please stop comparing this issue to the civil rights movement? I have seen this in SO many posts. It's not the same. Breastfeeding moms were never sold in auctions, denied the right to own property, or lynched and burned. Okay? It's not the same. You are setting back public acceptance for breastfeeding when you make ludicrous claims. Jesus. The comments made to moms nursing in public absolutely pale in comparison to things said to my parents when they simply showed up for work or walked down the street. It's not the same; this makes me think that it's a bunch of bored, privileged women making things harder for all breastfeeding moms because they want to have a "cause." Make your point, but don't pretend that you share a history of oppression with people of color. Ugh. You make me sick. My point isn't that breastfeeding mothers have been persecuted like black people, or people of any other culture or ethnicity. Why do you persist in insisting that simply by saying, "if any other protected class were asked to leave you'd be outraged," to mean that I think breastfeeding mothers have faced persecution like black people? All I am saying is that mothers nursing have a LEGALLY PROTECTED right to be doing so in public and THUS should be left alone. By the way I absolutely think the race and ethnicity of the mother in question at the Hirshhorn absolutely has to do with why the guards reacted the way they did. If the woman had been, as you say "privileged white women" I actually think she might not have been asked to leave. The fact that she is Asian and speaks with an accent, I think has something to do with the way she was treated. Nevertheless it was ILLEGAL. Misogyny is at the heart of this issue as well. And I don't believe breastfeeding women share a history of oppression with people of color, but I DO believe women share a history of oppression and I think this is a continuation of that. This is a feminist issue in my opinion. Yet another example of society's discomfort with women in a feminine role other than as sex object. Yes, and you work against feminists by basically engaging in a very public catfight with the Smithsonian after they've apologized for the actions of their contractors - not even their employees! I believe that women should be able to nurse anywhere, don't get me wrong - but this is just attention-mongering. You really don't care about making it harder for normal breastfeeding moms, as long as you get your attention. Way to damage public opinion of breastfeeding moms. Why don't you find someone who *hasn't* apologized, like a shop in a mall, and have a nurse-in there? Oh, right, because the Smithsonian will get so much more attention than a Carter's store in Fairfax! Never mind that the Smithsonian has already apologized and there are already laws/policies in place protecting a woman's right to nurse. |
Anonymous
For the love of god, can you please stop comparing this issue to the civil rights movement? I have seen this in SO many posts. It's not the same. Breastfeeding moms were never sold in auctions, denied the right to own property, or lynched and burned. Okay? It's not the same. You are setting back public acceptance for breastfeeding when you make ludicrous claims. Jesus. The comments made to moms nursing in public absolutely pale in comparison to things said to my parents when they simply showed up for work or walked down the street. It's not the same; this makes me think that it's a bunch of bored, privileged women making things harder for all breastfeeding moms because they want to have a "cause." Make your point, but don't pretend that you share a history of oppression with people of color. Ugh. You make me sick. My point isn't that breastfeeding mothers have been persecuted like black people, or people of any other culture or ethnicity. Why do you persist in insisting that simply by saying, "if any other protected class were asked to leave you'd be outraged," to mean that I think breastfeeding mothers have faced persecution like black people? All I am saying is that mothers nursing have a LEGALLY PROTECTED right to be doing so in public and THUS should be left alone. By the way I absolutely think the race and ethnicity of the mother in question at the Hirshhorn absolutely has to do with why the guards reacted the way they did. If the woman had been, as you say "privileged white women" I actually think she might not have been asked to leave. The fact that she is Asian and speaks with an accent, I think has something to do with the way she was treated. Nevertheless it was ILLEGAL. Misogyny is at the heart of this issue as well. And I don't believe breastfeeding women share a history of oppression with people of color, but I DO believe women share a history of oppression and I think this is a continuation of that. This is a feminist issue in my opinion. Yet another example of society's discomfort with women in a feminine role other than as sex object. Yes, and you work against feminists by basically engaging in a very public catfight with the Smithsonian after they've apologized for the actions of their contractors - not even their employees! I believe that women should be able to nurse anywhere, don't get me wrong - but this is just attention-mongering. You really don't care about making it harder for normal breastfeeding moms, as long as you get your attention. Way to damage public opinion of breastfeeding moms. Why don't you find someone who *hasn't* apologized, like a shop in a mall, and have a nurse-in there? Oh, right, because the Smithsonian will get so much more attention than a Carter's store in Fairfax! Never mind that the Smithsonian has already apologized and there are already laws/policies in place protecting a woman's right to nurse. I am the PP and I am not connected to the nurse-in, so contrary to what you post here I am not out for any type of publicity whatsoever. |
Anonymous
Yes, I have read this entire thread and, like everyone else, have to put in my two cents. It seems that in an attempt to demonize Jennifer for all of her many posts, all of which were defensive responses to other posts, no one actually read what the event was about it. It is NOT a protest. It is an education event that consists mostly of handing out literature. Yes, the Smithsonian has apologized and are even supporting the event itself. Seriously people, what is the problem? |
Anonymous
| PP the linked article for NBC says it's a protest so they should be corrected if that isn't true. Also the museum has said no literature may be handed out (this rule applies to all groups) so maybe the event isn't what anyone thinks it is. Can you blame people for being confused? |
Anonymous
The problem is that handing out literature is not allowed. The organizers didn't even check on this fact. |
Anonymous
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I'm sorry for what happened to Nori.
Here's the thing though: BOTH she AND the security guard are GUILTY of the SAME thing--IGNORANCE. Had she known her rights, she could have politely informed the guard(s), and it may have very well ended there. If something matters to you, YOU have to be prepared to defend and protect it. You can't leave that up to others. I've breastfed both my children and LOVED it. I think breastfeeding is best for baby and would encourage all moms who can to do so. And while the laws don't call for breastfeeding moms to exercise any discretion, I'd love to see that change. I've seen mothers with their breasts fully exposed while nursing become offended and upset when they start to attract too many glances and stares-- seriously? If privacy matters to you then make a greater effort to be discreet. (I'm not saying this was the case with Noriko; I'm just pointing out that it (breastfeeding) CAN be done in a way that makes others uncomfortable (but it doesn't HAVE to be), and that should not be discounted just because women have the right to breastfeed in public.) Would all the moms up in arms about this be OK with a picture taken of them nursing being uploaded to the Internet for everyone and anyone to see?? The answer from all those who plan to particpate in the nurse-in and supporters should be "NO" because you can't control what OTHERS do or how others react to what you choose to do in PUBLIC. Know your rights and function within them, yes; but, to that, I would add be decent, discreet and considerate of others. That's not an unreasonable request. A mistake was made; an apology was offered. I think that should be the end of story. My two cents ... |
Anonymous
so it's the victim's fault. great... |
Anonymous
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I just happened upon this forum for the first time today and I am fascinated at how many people have missed the point on this. I don't care if you think it's disgusting. I don't care if you cover up. I honestly don't care if you wear a purple polka dotted thong while you do it. The law of the land states that a woman may breastfeed anywhere the woman is legally allowed to be in and that the act of breastfeeding cannot be construed as obscene. A woman, even a breastfeeding one, has tax dollars going to support the federally funded Smithsonian. A woman, even a breastfeeding one, as the right to attend any of the museums during opening hours along with whatever progeny they wish to drag along. That is it. There is no qualification to that right. If I wish to whip out a massive boob right in front of the elephant at the Natural History Museum in the middle of some school's field trip, well then I am within my legal right to do so. If you find offense to that, then I suggest you write to your Representatives in congress and discuss it with them.
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Anonymous
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In response to all these women who think that because they don't like to be "looked" at then it is an action that should be hidden...you do realize that that is exactly the argument for putting women in burkas right? You sexy sexy women out there are too sexy and if you don't want us to harass you, you better cover up.
Well I don't mind you looking. If you ever see me out there, breastfeeding or not, please pause for a moment and take a look. I am a magnificent woman. My best features are my hair and lips. The breasts aren't too bad either. 
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