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You don't lose your temper with your children? You don't lose your temper with your children when they refuse to do homework of some other chore? What's makes you think we believe you? You're right, we don't. Don't bother getting defensive here. Not necessary. I would prefer to hear from your children on this score. |
Sounds like "Chinese mom" did a superb job raising these children unless you somehow feel her parental style somehow slipped into the nucleus mutating the DNA of her daughter with trisomy 21. Many here have no clue what real disability is (and thankfully, never will). |
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I have lost my temper, of course. But I've never done anything like this:
Then I hauled Lulu's dollhouse to the car and told her I'd donate it to the Salvation Army piece by piece if she didn't have "The Little White Donkey" perfect by the next day. When Lulu said, "I thought you were going to the Salvation Army, why are you still here?" I threatened her with no lunch, no dinner, no Christmas or Hanukkah presents, no birthday parties for two, three, four years. When she still kept playing it wrong, I told her she was purposely working herself into a frenzy because she was secretly afraid she couldn't do it. I told her to stop being lazy, cowardly, self-indulgent and pathetic. Superb job! And BTW, it was her sister with Downs, not her daughter. So we have no idea how intuitive she would be with a disabled child. |
| Which "Chinese mom" do you think I was referring to? The author's "Chinese mom". That would make the girl with Downs' syndrome a sister. The author's "Chinese mom" clearly did a fine job raising her children regardless of whether you like or agree with the parental style. |
What don't you like? I hear worse threats on a daily basis around my tony neighborhood. Hang out at Safeways, Giant, Whole Foods, Starbucks, the swimming pool, the lacrosse field, the field hockey field, restaurants and shops you'll hear the banter and engagement between annoyed parents and children. If I can hear this outside I wonder what goes on the homes? I'm quite sure you're community is very different. No yelling, no shouting, no bullying, no divorces, no kid drugs and sex --- a perfect community indeed filled with"Western moms" trolling along in their SUVs with happy and well behaved kids in tow. |
I can't believe you seriously hear those kinds of threats on a daily basis in your neighborhood. Over the top! |
This is just incoherent. Of course I hear, see, hear about all these things. But they aren't good things, they aren't something to praise. You've been praising the author and then, when I quote a portion that I think is pretty pathological, you roll out all these other pathologies as if to say . . .what? What exactly is the point? That the author is one amongst many other parade of horribles? Then you would be making my point. |
| Yawn, DCUM from heaven |
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Local "Western mom" columnist response:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/local/2011/01/chinese-model-parenting-straightens-fretful-mothers-spine |
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Now that I listened to the show, I like her even less that I did before. Her WSJ article was a bait, an advertisement, to get publicity for the book. Now, she's back tracking and talking about "unreliable narrators" (Pleeeese!!!) and "it's a journey" and "I learned from my mistakes."
She is manipulative and is using her daughters to sell books. Most mothers I know are unlike any of the straw mothers she represents. They want their kids to excel and they do allow them playdates. They direct them but allow them to express themselves. They give them time out and they reward them. Oh, and it turns out that too is what she arrives at at the end of her "journey." |
I'm with you. In fact, this could be a paragraph from Mommie Dearest. Mommy sounds bipolar. |
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Excerpts from books in anticipation, or in advance, of publication are typical marketing exercises of publishing houses in America. I am surprised you aren't aware of this? It's the business model of the publishing industry reflecting raw American and "western" entrepreneurship. This is why interpretation of passages from a book taken out of full context is difficult. Like "Western mom" out there is "Chinese mom" not entitled to pursue the traditional advertising and marketing venues in our publishing industry to get her book published or are you recommending she publish on the internet (self-publish)?
That said, "Western mom" can learn from "Chinese mom" and vice versa. |
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I guess I don't think much of what you call "raw American" entrepreneurship as you describe it. I much prefer the value of "truth in advertising." Or is that not an "American" value? It's also an American (and in general) a dignified human value not to like being manipulated. My point is: the opposition she creates between chinese moms and western moms is fake. She is playing on the anxieties that parents have about wanting to do the best for their children. She will make money in the process. Why should I admire that?
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One more thing:
The WSJ article was not described as an "excerpt" from the book. It was presented as containing the main argument of the book. Has it been described as an "excerpt," people would have been more careful about "context." But that would have been less sensational. |