Trump colludes with foreign dictator to keep innocent man in jail, solely to prove that Trump is above the law.

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[Post New]04/15/2025 18:38
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CommonSense
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CommonSense wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is our military not going there to get this innocent man???????


He's not an innocent man. He was here illegally, found to be an MS-13 gang member twice. He had a hearing and an appeal. He was under court order to self-deport. He failed to do so. He is a citizen of El Salvador, not the U.S.. The gang he claimed to be threatened by if he returned to El Salvador no longer exists, nor does the overall situation in that country. His removal under US State Department Policy IS a military action and is not subject to judicial review. Understand?


Not one thing you said is true. Not a single one.


Oh, but how wrong you are.
Is it your contention he was here legally?
Is it your contention he is a US citizen?
Is it your contention he is not a citizen of El Salvador?

Everything you said is untrue...every single thing.
[Post New]04/15/2025 18:39
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Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Some excerpts from an article on the latest developments in this case--Judge Xinis is kicking a**!

Judge Xinis "was holding off at this juncture on deciding whether the government should be held in contempt but would still rule down the road.
For now, the judge ordered the administration to respond to interrogatories and document production requests. She also ordered the four government officials who signed affidavits in the case to sit for depositions by April 23, giving Abrego Garcia’s lawyers a chance to question key immigration officials in the administration."

More from the judge:

Xinis suggested a fast pace for the depositions and review of discovery — something that would ultimately put her on a path to determining whether to hold anyone from the Trump administration in contempt. “We’re going to move. There will be no tolerance for gamesmanship and grandstanding,” she said. “There are no business hours while we do this — there are going to be two intense weeks of discovery,” she added later.

Judge orders Trump officials’ depositions, blasts inaction in Abrego Garcia case
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5250548-trump-abrego-garcia-deposition/


She is fishing for a contempt charge but not accomplishing anything. Note how she doesn’t outright say what she wants DOJ to do as per “facilitate”. She knows the minute she gets specific DOJ will appeal claiming article 11 powers.


Can you explain that for non-lawyers?

SCOTUS directed her to specify what she wanted DOJ to do specifically - order said to outline terms for “effectuate.” She still hasn’t said that. Is she demanding Trump provide evidence that he has asked ES for example? DOJ is saying you still need to explain this and she is evading and proceeding to discovery while throwing out contempt trial balloons. It’s a dance she will lose.


You better call Saul because you are among the worst internet legal eagles ever.


More name calling with zero argument behind it. How boring.


What argument? Xinis is setting up contempt charges. Which the government deserves, since they are not bothering to bring him back, as they have been ordered.


Who cares? We all know she is. There is no way for her to enforce anything because she doesn’t control the DOJ.

This is all going back to SCOTUS once she outlines what expects the government to do, and they appeal claiming it’s an encroachment on article 11 powers. It ends there. SCOTUS isn’t going to dictate foreign relations. At most she gets a PR boost on the left but this issue as a whole isn’t helping the left.


I know of an instance when DOJ was sanctioned for $$$. It has happened before. It may happen here.

The Supreme Court said that the District Court order is in effect with one clarification. The court order asks for daily status updates addressing 3 bullet points. So far, they haven't provided those, in spirit or letter.

Just fix the mistake. That's all.

This isn't an Article II issue. It's a contempt issue and disobeying a court order. Everyone knows this.
[Post New]04/15/2025 18:43
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CommonSense
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some excerpts from an article on the latest developments in this case--Judge Xinis is kicking a**!

Judge Xinis "was holding off at this juncture on deciding whether the government should be held in contempt but would still rule down the road.
For now, the judge ordered the administration to respond to interrogatories and document production requests. She also ordered the four government officials who signed affidavits in the case to sit for depositions by April 23, giving Abrego Garcia’s lawyers a chance to question key immigration officials in the administration."

More from the judge:

Xinis suggested a fast pace for the depositions and review of discovery — something that would ultimately put her on a path to determining whether to hold anyone from the Trump administration in contempt. “We’re going to move. There will be no tolerance for gamesmanship and grandstanding,” she said. “There are no business hours while we do this — there are going to be two intense weeks of discovery,” she added later.

Judge orders Trump officials’ depositions, blasts inaction in Abrego Garcia case
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5250548-trump-abrego-garcia-deposition/


She is fishing for a contempt charge but not accomplishing anything. Note how she doesn’t outright say what she wants DOJ to do as per “facilitate”. She knows the minute she gets specific DOJ will appeal claiming article 11 powers.


She has asked them what they have done to comply with the opinion of the Supreme Court. She is under no obligation to give a definition at this point


lol she is the judge who was told by SCOTUS to clarify the order with deference to executive power! Didn’t you read the order?


You know they didn't read the order. MSNBC read it for them & told them what to think.
[Post New]04/15/2025 19:02
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Anonymous
CommonSense wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some excerpts from an article on the latest developments in this case--Judge Xinis is kicking a**!

Judge Xinis "was holding off at this juncture on deciding whether the government should be held in contempt but would still rule down the road.
For now, the judge ordered the administration to respond to interrogatories and document production requests. She also ordered the four government officials who signed affidavits in the case to sit for depositions by April 23, giving Abrego Garcia’s lawyers a chance to question key immigration officials in the administration."

More from the judge:

Xinis suggested a fast pace for the depositions and review of discovery — something that would ultimately put her on a path to determining whether to hold anyone from the Trump administration in contempt. “We’re going to move. There will be no tolerance for gamesmanship and grandstanding,” she said. “There are no business hours while we do this — there are going to be two intense weeks of discovery,” she added later.

Judge orders Trump officials’ depositions, blasts inaction in Abrego Garcia case
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5250548-trump-abrego-garcia-deposition/


She is fishing for a contempt charge but not accomplishing anything. Note how she doesn’t outright say what she wants DOJ to do as per “facilitate”. She knows the minute she gets specific DOJ will appeal claiming article 11 powers.


She has asked them what they have done to comply with the opinion of the Supreme Court. She is under no obligation to give a definition at this point


lol she is the judge who was told by SCOTUS to clarify the order with deference to executive power! Didn’t you read the order?


You know they didn't read the order. MSNBC read it for them & told them what to think.


The order from the Supreme Court said that the District Court order, with one clarification, is still in effect. You should read it.
[Post New]04/15/2025 19:03
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Anonymous
CommonSense wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
CommonSense wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is our military not going there to get this innocent man???????


He's not an innocent man. He was here illegally, found to be an MS-13 gang member twice. He had a hearing and an appeal. He was under court order to self-deport. He failed to do so. He is a citizen of El Salvador, not the U.S.. The gang he claimed to be threatened by if he returned to El Salvador no longer exists, nor does the overall situation in that country. His removal under US State Department Policy IS a military action and is not subject to judicial review. Understand?


Not one thing you said is true. Not a single one.


Oh, but how wrong you are.
Is it your contention he was here legally?
Is it your contention he is a US citizen?
Is it your contention he is not a citizen of El Salvador?

Everything you said is untrue...every single thing.


You seem to missing the point that even the Supreme Court agrees that doesn’t matter now. Even the Trump administration says deporting him was an error.
[Post New]04/15/2025 19:14
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some excerpts from an article on the latest developments in this case--Judge Xinis is kicking a**!

Judge Xinis "was holding off at this juncture on deciding whether the government should be held in contempt but would still rule down the road.
For now, the judge ordered the administration to respond to interrogatories and document production requests. She also ordered the four government officials who signed affidavits in the case to sit for depositions by April 23, giving Abrego Garcia’s lawyers a chance to question key immigration officials in the administration."

More from the judge:

Xinis suggested a fast pace for the depositions and review of discovery — something that would ultimately put her on a path to determining whether to hold anyone from the Trump administration in contempt. “We’re going to move. There will be no tolerance for gamesmanship and grandstanding,” she said. “There are no business hours while we do this — there are going to be two intense weeks of discovery,” she added later.

Judge orders Trump officials’ depositions, blasts inaction in Abrego Garcia case
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5250548-trump-abrego-garcia-deposition/


She is fishing for a contempt charge but not accomplishing anything. Note how she doesn’t outright say what she wants DOJ to do as per “facilitate”. She knows the minute she gets specific DOJ will appeal claiming article 11 powers.


She has asked them what they have done to comply with the opinion of the Supreme Court. She is under no obligation to give a definition at this point


lol she is the judge who was told by SCOTUS to clarify the order with deference to executive power! Didn’t you read the order?


They also instructed the government to be cooperative. In that very same sentence.
[Post New]04/15/2025 19:15
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
CommonSense wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
CommonSense wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is our military not going there to get this innocent man???????


He's not an innocent man. He was here illegally, found to be an MS-13 gang member twice. He had a hearing and an appeal. He was under court order to self-deport. He failed to do so. He is a citizen of El Salvador, not the U.S.. The gang he claimed to be threatened by if he returned to El Salvador no longer exists, nor does the overall situation in that country. His removal under US State Department Policy IS a military action and is not subject to judicial review. Understand?


Not one thing you said is true. Not a single one.


Oh, but how wrong you are.
Is it your contention he was here legally?
Is it your contention he is a US citizen?
Is it your contention he is not a citizen of El Salvador?

Everything you said is untrue...every single thing.


You seem to missing the point that even the Supreme Court agrees that doesn’t matter now. Even the Trump administration says deporting him was an error.


Indeed. From the Supreme Court order:

"The United States acknowledges that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador, and that the removal to El Salvador was therefore illegal. "
[Post New]04/15/2025 19:17
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Anonymous
CommonSense wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
CommonSense wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is our military not going there to get this innocent man???????


He's not an innocent man. He was here illegally, found to be an MS-13 gang member twice. He had a hearing and an appeal. He was under court order to self-deport. He failed to do so. He is a citizen of El Salvador, not the U.S.. The gang he claimed to be threatened by if he returned to El Salvador no longer exists, nor does the overall situation in that country. His removal under US State Department Policy IS a military action and is not subject to judicial review. Understand?


Not one thing you said is true. Not a single one.


Oh, but how wrong you are.
Is it your contention he was here legally?
Is it your contention he is a US citizen?
Is it your contention he is not a citizen of El Salvador?

Everything you said is untrue...every single thing.


He was here legally under TPS status granted in 2019 when Trump was president.
Obviously not a US Citizen - yet.
[Post New]04/15/2025 19:37
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
CommonSense wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
CommonSense wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is our military not going there to get this innocent man???????


He's not an innocent man. He was here illegally, found to be an MS-13 gang member twice. He had a hearing and an appeal. He was under court order to self-deport. He failed to do so. He is a citizen of El Salvador, not the U.S.. The gang he claimed to be threatened by if he returned to El Salvador no longer exists, nor does the overall situation in that country. His removal under US State Department Policy IS a military action and is not subject to judicial review. Understand?


Not one thing you said is true. Not a single one.


Oh, but how wrong you are.
Is it your contention he was here legally?
Is it your contention he is a US citizen?
Is it your contention he is not a citizen of El Salvador?

Everything you said is untrue...every single thing.


You seem to missing the point that even the Supreme Court agrees that doesn’t matter now. Even the Trump administration says deporting him was an error.


Indeed. From the Supreme Court order:

"The United States acknowledges that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador, and that the removal to El Salvador was therefore illegal. "


So the deportation wasnt an error -- it was simply where he was sent. That is a big difference.
[Post New]04/15/2025 19:38
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Anonymous
By no later than Wednesday April 16, 2025, at 5:00 PM, and pursuant to Federal Rules of Civil Procedure 26(d)(1), 33, and 34, Plaintiffs may propound upon Defendants up to fifteen (15) interrogatories and fifteen (15) requests for production of documents focused on the above areas of inquiry.4

Defendants’ shall serve their answers and responses to Plaintiffs by no later than Monday April 21, 2025, at 5:00 PM.

(2) Plaintiffs may also, by no later than Wednesday, April 16, 2025, at 5:00 PM, notice the depositions of the following affiants: Robert L. Cerna (ECF No. 11-3), Evan C. Katz (ECF No. 64), Michael G. Kozak (ECF No. 63), and Joseph N. Mazzara (ECF Nos. 74 & 77).

Any such depositions must be completed by Wednesday, April 23, 2025, at 5:00 PM. (3) By no later than Wednesday, April 23, 2025, Plaintiffs may move for leave of Court to conduct up to two additional depositions of individuals with knowledge and authority to testify regarding the matters identified above. Defendants shall respond by Thursday, April 24, 2025. If the Court grants such leave, it will set a deadline by which the depositions must be completed.

That said, should Defendants fail or refuse to engage in the above-described discovery in good faith, Plaintiffs are free to seek separate sanctions on an expedited basis.
[Post New]04/16/2025 09:56
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Anonymous
Simultaneous while his attorney and family is working to get him return after the U.S. Supreme Court agreed unanimously he should be return, his. Attorneys should sue for slander and personally name Karoline Leavitt.
[Post New]04/16/2025 10:34
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Anonymous
They should being him back, fast track his asylum hearing, and if they find that there is no longer a threat from the gangs for the pupusa business, send him right back.

That will satisfy the legal requirements, right?
[Post New]04/16/2025 10:35
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:They should being him back, fast track his asylum hearing, and if they find that there is no longer a threat from the gangs for the pupusa business, send him right back.

That will satisfy the legal requirements, right?


Yes, BUT now he will be in danger in El Salvador because it will make the president look bad.
[Post New]04/16/2025 10:54
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Anonymous
CommonSense wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
CommonSense wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is our military not going there to get this innocent man???????


He's not an innocent man. He was here illegally, found to be an MS-13 gang member twice. He had a hearing and an appeal. He was under court order to self-deport. He failed to do so. He is a citizen of El Salvador, not the U.S.. The gang he claimed to be threatened by if he returned to El Salvador no longer exists, nor does the overall situation in that country. His removal under US State Department Policy IS a military action and is not subject to judicial review. Understand?


Not one thing you said is true. Not a single one.


Oh, but how wrong you are.
Is it your contention he was here legally?
Is it your contention he is a US citizen?
Is it your contention he is not a citizen of El Salvador?

Everything you said is untrue...every single thing.

He went before an immigration judge in 2019 and was told he cannot be deported to Salvador based on the danger to his life in that country. So if he was to be deported, that was the one country, he was not supposed to be deported to.

So while he is not a US citizen and is yes, a citizen of El Salvador, he was in our country due to the danger to his life. And should not have been deported to that country.

Why shouldn't he be allowed to get due process which is part of the constitution! Remember that document? that is the biggest issue here he should've been given due process. He was snatched off the streets w/out an arrest warrant and then just sent to the one country he was not supposed to be sent to.
[Post New]04/16/2025 10:59
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Anonymous
Yes, he may have been in danger in 2019. So it is perfectly valid to evaluate if he is in danger in 2025. Many of the gang members threatening him may be in CECOT.
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