US has no good options in Ukraine

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Anonymous wrote:I know that Putin is looking at everybody putting the Ukrainian flag on their Facebook profile and is quaking in his shoes.


Not really. But babushkas on the metro with no war stitched on their handbags, oligarchs at threat of losing billions, battalions surrendering and thousands on the streets protesting in Russia do. Why is he begging for negotiations just two days into his glorious invasion?


Good question.. Also he stopped the invasion in 2014 after negotiations called Minsk accord. Some agreements were reached, why are these agreements no longer viable? What is really prompting him to invade this time when he could have just continued back in 2014 when inconvenient to him government took over? And if he is ready for negotiations now, that's great, let's end this, what's the hold up?


The hold up is dear old midget Putin. He can't find the shoes that make him look taller.

I don't know what prompted him to order this disastrous invasion. Radiation poisoning, syphilis, small penis, ego? It's clearly not about Russia's security, people or lol denazification. What does your commissar tell you today?


Is there any indication that he won't get exactly what he wants? The Ukrainian 'victories' all over twitter and reddit amount to nothing. The Russian tanks are still advancing from the East and North and there is no suggestion that the Ukrainians are capable of actually stopping them.


But what does he want? He's making Russia less safe, destroying the economy, uniting NATO, bringing Finland and Sweden into the alliance, uniting Americans, uniting Ukrainians, uniting Europeans, killing Russians and hurting the oligarchs.

Of course he'll defeat Ukraine eventually. His military is 10 times the size. It'd be pretty pathetic is Russia lost this phase. But this is only phase one. Enjoy your second Afghanistan and Chechnya. Enjoy becoming a pariah state. Enjoy the rice shortage. Even Eurovision has expelled Russia. All because of one man that is putting his own ego above everyone else's.
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Russia is well along the way to becoming South Africa in the 70s and 80s.

I think people were so used to the idea that Putin and Xi are playing 21-dimensional chess that the idea that they might make a massive strategic miscalculation has evaded them.
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Anonymous wrote:Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman just said if Finland and Sweden try to join nato, they will face consequences.



Why can’t they join? Can someone explain this to me? These were not former USSR states. I don’t understand


Finland gets a significant amount of its oil and natural gas from Russia, among other things.
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Putin I'm guessing would tolerate Finland being democratic but super duper neutral with a slight pro-Russian bias. Sort of what it was in the Cold War era.
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how to curry favor on the international stage

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Anonymous wrote:I know that Putin is looking at everybody putting the Ukrainian flag on their Facebook profile and is quaking in his shoes.


Not really. But babushkas on the metro with no war stitched on their handbags, oligarchs at threat of losing billions, battalions surrendering and thousands on the streets protesting in Russia do. Why is he begging for negotiations just two days into his glorious invasion?


Good question.. Also he stopped the invasion in 2014 after negotiations called Minsk accord. Some agreements were reached, why are these agreements no longer viable? What is really prompting him to invade this time when he could have just continued back in 2014 when inconvenient to him government took over? And if he is ready for negotiations now, that's great, let's end this, what's the hold up?


The hold up is dear old midget Putin. He can't find the shoes that make him look taller.

I don't know what prompted him to order this disastrous invasion. Radiation poisoning, syphilis, small penis, ego? It's clearly not about Russia's security, people or lol denazification. What does your commissar tell you today?


Is there any indication that he won't get exactly what he wants? The Ukrainian 'victories' all over twitter and reddit amount to nothing. The Russian tanks are still advancing from the East and North and there is no suggestion that the Ukrainians are capable of actually stopping them.


But what does he want? He's making Russia less safe, destroying the economy, uniting NATO, bringing Finland and Sweden into the alliance, uniting Americans, uniting Ukrainians, uniting Europeans, killing Russians and hurting the oligarchs.

Of course he'll defeat Ukraine eventually. His military is 10 times the size. It'd be pretty pathetic is Russia lost this phase. But this is only phase one. Enjoy your second Afghanistan and Chechnya. Enjoy becoming a pariah state. Enjoy the rice shortage. Even Eurovision has expelled Russia. All because of one man that is putting his own ego above everyone else's.


This. There's an argument to be made that invading Ukraine, while tragic for Ukranians, may make the rest of us safer. Russia will get bogged down in a guerrilla/insurgent war of occupation for years to come, with increasing unpopularity at home. Even if Russians don't have formal political power, they've always voted with their feet and backs. The loss of confidence in the Soviet system, especially after Afgahanastan, was reflected in the younger generation basically "turning off". Lousy work ethic, alcoholism, sloppy job performance, corruption. If Putin tries to reinvent the Soviet model, he will also reinvent all the reasons the Soviet model collapsed from inside.
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Pretty sure Russian forces were attacking Ukraine from Moldova. They have a garrison based there.

This is some clown-level idiocy by the Russian Navy.
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Anonymous wrote:We turned our backs on Ukraine. A democracy led by a President who, though not perfect, had worked to protect the interests of our NATO allies and the United States (while being undermined by Trump, Bannon, and the rest of the Republican-led Putin fan club).

This quote below from Zelensky to the Ukrainian people is so heartbreaking. Shame on the west, shame on Trump and the GOP (why do you love Putin more than Democracy), and shame on Biden for not being more authoritative at this critical time.

“This morning, we are defending our country all alone,” Mr. Zelensky said Friday, wearing a military sweatshirt. “The most powerful nations of the world are just watching from afar. Only solidarity and decisiveness by Ukrainians will be able to preserve our freedom and our state.”

And for those who say, who cares about Ukraine. What does that have to do with us in the States. Remember who Putin is and what he’s after. He’s after the end of Democracy and the demise of the US. It will be at your doorstep one way or another unless he is stopped now.


Despite that being untrue, it illustrates exactly why we can’t admit millions of Ukrainian refugees here. Their anger at Democrats would forever disrupt our elections because they’d be voting anti-Democracy the very first opportunity they got, for life. It would be like adding millions of new republicans as soon as they got their naturalized citizenship status.
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Anonymous wrote:We turned our backs on Ukraine. A democracy led by a President who, though not perfect, had worked to protect the interests of our NATO allies and the United States (while being undermined by Trump, Bannon, and the rest of the Republican-led Putin fan club).

This quote below from Zelensky to the Ukrainian people is so heartbreaking. Shame on the west, shame on Trump and the GOP (why do you love Putin more than Democracy), and shame on Biden for not being more authoritative at this critical time.

“This morning, we are defending our country all alone,” Mr. Zelensky said Friday, wearing a military sweatshirt. “The most powerful nations of the world are just watching from afar. Only solidarity and decisiveness by Ukrainians will be able to preserve our freedom and our state.”

And for those who say, who cares about Ukraine. What does that have to do with us in the States. Remember who Putin is and what he’s after. He’s after the end of Democracy and the demise of the US. It will be at your doorstep one way or another unless he is stopped now.


Despite that being untrue, it illustrates exactly why we can’t admit millions of Ukrainian refugees here. Their anger at Democrats would forever disrupt our elections because they’d be voting anti-Democracy the very first opportunity they got, for life. It would be like adding millions of new republicans as soon as they got their naturalized citizenship status.


By that logic, no country can admit Ukranian refugees.
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Anonymous wrote:We turned our backs on Ukraine. A democracy led by a President who, though not perfect, had worked to protect the interests of our NATO allies and the United States (while being undermined by Trump, Bannon, and the rest of the Republican-led Putin fan club).

This quote below from Zelensky to the Ukrainian people is so heartbreaking. Shame on the west, shame on Trump and the GOP (why do you love Putin more than Democracy), and shame on Biden for not being more authoritative at this critical time.

“This morning, we are defending our country all alone,” Mr. Zelensky said Friday, wearing a military sweatshirt. “The most powerful nations of the world are just watching from afar. Only solidarity and decisiveness by Ukrainians will be able to preserve our freedom and our state.”

And for those who say, who cares about Ukraine. What does that have to do with us in the States. Remember who Putin is and what he’s after. He’s after the end of Democracy and the demise of the US. It will be at your doorstep one way or another unless he is stopped now.


Trump???? HAHAHAHA. After all they paid Biden’s kid, I bet they thought they bought Biden and family. Trump was the one who sent them the weapons they are using.

You people need some serious mental help.


You do realize that Trump tried extorting Zelensky for military aid? And per the Javelins, Trump only okayed those grudgingly and then put restrictions on where the weapons could be placed (in the west) that undercut their ability to be used in the exact scenario Ukraine finds itself in today.

You need to stop sucking the propaganda pipe. Trump undercut Ukraine and further fortified Russia - we are now seeing what that reaped.


I realized it was reported that Trump tried extorting Zelensky. There is a lot of reporting on Trump that we are now finding out is false. No surprise there. You can keep blaming whoever you want to blame, but Putin made his move under Biden’s reign. He must have thought it was the right time to do so, as well as the right time to threaten the US and Europe with nukes. He clearly saw weakness.


There's a transcript tovarich. Things must be going worse for Russia than we thought. Y'all be getting desperate.


Meanwhile the top two prosecutors after Trump just up and resigned
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BlueFredneck wrote:Russia is well along the way to becoming South Africa in the 70s and 80s.

I think people were so used to the idea that Putin and Xi are playing 21-dimensional chess that the idea that they might make a massive strategic miscalculation has evaded them.


Yup
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So US won’t levy energy sanctions against Russia even though oil and gas are 60% of their economy? We’re keeping the money flowing into Russia’s shitty economy so it can sustain its war. How dumb is this administration?
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Anonymous wrote:So US won’t levy energy sanctions against Russia even though oil and gas are 60% of their economy? We’re keeping the money flowing into Russia’s shitty economy so it can sustain its war. How dumb is this administration?


This administration cares about elections.

This is the perfect time to sanction Russian oG

8 dollar gasoline would be good in the long run for the us

More people would buy ev’s

More people would walk and cycle and lose weight

Win win
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Anonymous wrote:Why are other countries taking in Ukrainians?

We should bring them here first. All of them.



Lol. So predictable I think more people coming be the southern border are fluent in English than vs the 13% of Ukrainians who speak somewhat passable English. Which mean means the vast majority would be completely unemployable, yes just what we need, but hey at least they aren’t brown. Not to mention their strong cultural ties and traditions that have nada to do with an American way of life, being from an entirely separate continent, vastly different chitin and no ability to communicate, yeah that’s a great idea! Yet somehow we should be jumping up and down, to welcome people who more than likely have no desire to come to this country where they will have to Live as refugees and paupers. We don’t even have universal healthcare. If I’m a Ukrainian and I have to leave my homeland I’m going to anyplace in Golden ticket Northern Europe where at least I can enjoy a decent standard of living, free housing, decent education and relatively free healthcare.




You think more people coming to the Southern border are fluent in English??? I guess we can cancel those ESOL programs then $$$$.....

(And I have a bridge to sell you!)


Let’s compare Ukrainian-American outcomes 2/3 generations on vs Latino Americans.

Ukraine will definitely improve our chess, classical music, and programming talent pool.

Ukrainian refugees need to be a priority.




This is disgusting racism.


In 2022 your blm retorts won’t win. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:So US won’t levy energy sanctions against Russia even though oil and gas are 60% of their economy? We’re keeping the money flowing into Russia’s shitty economy so it can sustain its war. How dumb is this administration?


This administration cares about elections.

This is the perfect time to sanction Russian oG

8 dollar gasoline would be good in the long run for the us

More people would buy ev’s

More people would walk and cycle and lose weight

Win win


Your privilege is disgusting.
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