ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wont happen because correct grade players (whos parents paid for the showcase) wont want Aug birthdays playing down on their team taking their kids minutes.

Its always the same with the play downers and hold back people. They try do make it sound like playing against younger players is no big deal. When in reality they're stealing correct grade players opportunities.

If the kids literally are the same age, it's not cheating OR stealing. And if you favor the kids in the younger grade, you are cheating OR stealing opportunities from that kid who's in the higher grade.

The club needs to help them BOTH. Not favor one over the other. These clubs are selling platforms to college coaches which means making sure ALL players get the exposure they need. The better they are at that, the more they succeed. That's why they're willing to be flexible.

All you want to do is play down older players against younger ones. Stealing younger players opportunities.

I'm for doing what's BEST for EACH player. That might be playing up OR playing on age. Case-by-case. If you want clubs instead to force inflexible rules on people, what comes around goes around eventually.

No you're not. You're about hiding behind the rules and waiting for whatever opportunity you see to try and push your play down agenda. Too bad its not going to work here.

Here playing up as a choice isn't allowed and playing up is rare and reserved for the best on a case by case basis as decided by clubs based on talent. There is no hiding behind rules, the clubs run the show.

Pretty evident for anyone not trying to hide behind the rules trying to make their Sept kid the oldest.

"Here" plays by the same rules as everyone else. Over time clubs even "here" will start playing playing Aug birthdays on their grade in school team because its easier and solves all kinds of issues.

Back to your solving non existent problems narrative I see

1 Clubs don't have a problem today based on kids DOB or month only

2 There is and won't be any such thing as a grade in school team in club soccer. Not even HS has grade in school teams, only Varsity and Junior Varsity

Then why go through changing from BY to SY. If grade in school doesnt exist?

Seasonal Year has nothing to do with School Grade

If there was such a thing as grade in school groupings, they would have dropped U6, U10, U16 and replaced with 5th Grade, 8th Grade.

They didn't. Why? Because grade in school groupings doesn't exist in club soccer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wont happen because correct grade players (whos parents paid for the showcase) wont want Aug birthdays playing down on their team taking their kids minutes.

Its always the same with the play downers and hold back people. They try do make it sound like playing against younger players is no big deal. When in reality they're stealing correct grade players opportunities.

If the kids literally are the same age, it's not cheating OR stealing. And if you favor the kids in the younger grade, you are cheating OR stealing opportunities from that kid who's in the higher grade.

The club needs to help them BOTH. Not favor one over the other. These clubs are selling platforms to college coaches which means making sure ALL players get the exposure they need. The better they are at that, the more they succeed. That's why they're willing to be flexible.

All you want to do is play down older players against younger ones. Stealing younger players opportunities.

I'm for doing what's BEST for EACH player. That might be playing up OR playing on age. Case-by-case. If you want clubs instead to force inflexible rules on people, what comes around goes around eventually.

No you're not. You're about hiding behind the rules and waiting for whatever opportunity you see to try and push your play down agenda. Too bad its not going to work here.

Here playing up as a choice isn't allowed and playing up is rare and reserved for the best on a case by case basis as decided by clubs based on talent. There is no hiding behind rules, the clubs run the show.

Pretty evident for anyone not trying to hide behind the rules trying to make their Sept kid the oldest.

"Here" plays by the same rules as everyone else. Over time clubs even "here" will start playing playing Aug birthdays on their grade in school team because its easier and solves all kinds of issues.

Back to your solving non existent problems narrative I see

1 Clubs don't have a problem today based on kids DOB or month only

2 There is and won't be any such thing as a grade in school team in club soccer. Not even HS has grade in school teams, only Varsity and Junior Varsity

Then why go through changing from BY to SY. If grade in school doesnt exist?

Seasonal Year has nothing to do with School Grade

If there was such a thing as grade in school groupings, they would have dropped U6, U10, U16 and replaced with 5th Grade, 8th Grade.

They didn't. Why? Because grade in school groupings doesn't exist in club soccer.

Dude everyone literally said that they're changing from BY to SY so theres less trapped players.

Try and explain what a trapped player is without acknowledging grade in school.

[Anonymous]

In the 2026–2027 school year, children born after August 1, 2010, will generally be entering 10th grade (Sophomore year). Depending on their specific birth month and your local district's cutoff date.

Proof
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yAq7D-HKcIoe5A3hpocH9GABvwkEErEVw9tZAIMjpYo/mobilebasic
https://www.pausd.org/enrollment/registration/enrollment-process/grade-placement
https://iusd.org/sites/default/files/documents/Grade%20Level%20Placement%20for%20ALL%202026-27_0.pdf

2010s born after 8/1 are most likely to be Sophmores next fall not Juniors. Which is why below is mathematically correct.

Still 100% correct.

This is for next fall when SY starts.

11v11 = U18/U19 = ≤ 8/1/2007 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U17 = ≤ 8/1/2009 ≈ Junior
11v11 = U16 = ≤ 8/1/2010 ≈ Sophmore
11v11 = U15 = ≤ 8/1/2011 ≈ Freshman
11v11 = U14 = ≤ 8/1/2012 ≈ 8th grade
11v11 = U13 = ≤ 8/1/2013 ≈ 7th grade
9v9/11v11 = U12 = ≤ 8/1/2014 ≈ 6th grade
9v9 = U11 = ≤ 8/1/2015 ≈ 5th grade
9v9 = U10 = ≤ 8/1/2016 ≈ 4th grade
7v7 = U9 = ≤ 8/1/2017 ≈ 3rd grade
7v7 = U8 = ≤ 8/1/2018 ≈ 2nd grade
4v4 = U7 = ≤ 8/1/2019 ≈ 1st grade
4v4 = U6 = ≤ 8/1/2020 ≈ Kindergarten

Using U14 as an example what this is saying is...

1. They play 11v11
2. Players turn 14 after Aug 1
3. Players are younger than or equal to 8/1/2012
4. Players are most likely in 8th grade

[Anonymous]

In the 2026–2027 school year, children born after August 1, 2010, will generally be entering 10th grade (Sophomore year) or 11th grade (Junior year), depending on their specific birth month and your local district's cutoff date.

Proof
https://docs.google.com/d...obilebasic
https://www.pausd.org/enr...-placement
https://iusd.org/sites/de...6-27_0.pdf

2010s born after 8/1 are most likely to be Juniors or Sophomores. Which is why below is mathematically correct.

Still 100% correct.

This is for next fall when SY starts.

11v11 = U18/U19 = ≤ 8/1/2007 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U17 = ≤ 8/1/2009 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U16 = ≤ 8/1/2010 ≈ Junior
11v11 = U15 = ≤ 8/1/2011 ≈ Sophmore
11v11 = U14 = ≤ 8/1/2012 ≈ Freshman
11v11 = U13 = ≤ 8/1/2013 ≈ 8th grade
9v9/11v11 = U12 = ≤ 8/1/2014 ≈ 7th grade
9v9 = U11 = ≤ 8/1/2015 ≈ 6th grade
9v9 = U10 = ≤ 8/1/2016 ≈ 5th grade
7v7 = U9 = ≤ 8/1/2017 ≈ 4th grade
7v7 = U8 = ≤ 8/1/2018 ≈ 3rd grade
4v4 = U7 = ≤ 8/1/2019 ≈ 2nd grade
4v4 = U6 = ≤ 8/1/2020 ≈ 1st grade
4v4 = U5 = ≤ 8/1/2020 ≈ Kindergarten

Using U14 as an example what this is saying is...

1. They play 11v11
2. Players turn 14 after Aug 1
3. Players are younger than or equal to 8/1/2012
4. Players are most likely in 8th grade or Freshman

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wont happen because correct grade players (whos parents paid for the showcase) wont want Aug birthdays playing down on their team taking their kids minutes.

Its always the same with the play downers and hold back people. They try do make it sound like playing against younger players is no big deal. When in reality they're stealing correct grade players opportunities.

If the kids literally are the same age, it's not cheating OR stealing. And if you favor the kids in the younger grade, you are cheating OR stealing opportunities from that kid who's in the higher grade.

The club needs to help them BOTH. Not favor one over the other. These clubs are selling platforms to college coaches which means making sure ALL players get the exposure they need. The better they are at that, the more they succeed. That's why they're willing to be flexible.

All you want to do is play down older players against younger ones. Stealing younger players opportunities.

I'm for doing what's BEST for EACH player. That might be playing up OR playing on age. Case-by-case. If you want clubs instead to force inflexible rules on people, what comes around goes around eventually.

No you're not. You're about hiding behind the rules and waiting for whatever opportunity you see to try and push your play down agenda. Too bad its not going to work here.

Here playing up as a choice isn't allowed and playing up is rare and reserved for the best on a case by case basis as decided by clubs based on talent. There is no hiding behind rules, the clubs run the show.

Pretty evident for anyone not trying to hide behind the rules trying to make their Sept kid the oldest.

"Here" plays by the same rules as everyone else. Over time clubs even "here" will start playing playing Aug birthdays on their grade in school team because its easier and solves all kinds of issues.

You keep saying this but I am gonna side with ECNL dude. He has real reasons to play on age for regular season rather than a vague "solves all kinds of issues." FYI, grouping based on 2 criteria is much more difficult than one, DOB.

Of course you're going to side with the guy abvocating playing older players against younger ones stealing the younger players opportunities.

Playing on age is a 12 month window and limits playing older players with younger players. Forcing kids up an age group is playing older players against younger ones stealing the younger players opportunities and is a safety issue while also pushing forced kids up to quit.

[Anonymous]

General grades for Fall 2026

U19, 8/1/2007 - 7/31, Senior and lower
U17, 8/1/2009 - 7/31, Senior and lower
U16, 8/1/2010 - 7/31, Junior and lower
U15, 8/1/2011 - 7/31, Sophomore and lower
U14, 8/1/2012 - 7/31, Freshman and lower
U13, 8/1/2013 - 7/31, 8th and lower
U12, 8/1/2014 - 7/31, 7th and lower
U11, 8/1/2015 - 7/31, 6th and lower
U10, 8/1/2016 - 7/31, 5th and lower
U9, 8/1/2017 - 7/31, 4th and lower
U8, 8/1/2018 - 7/31, 3rd and lower
U7, 8/1/2019 - 7/31, 2nd and lower
U6, 8/1/2020 - 7/31, 1st and lower
U5, 8/1/2021 - 7/31, Kindergarten and lower

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wont happen because correct grade players (whos parents paid for the showcase) wont want Aug birthdays playing down on their team taking their kids minutes.

Its always the same with the play downers and hold back people. They try do make it sound like playing against younger players is no big deal. When in reality they're stealing correct grade players opportunities.

If the kids literally are the same age, it's not cheating OR stealing. And if you favor the kids in the younger grade, you are cheating OR stealing opportunities from that kid who's in the higher grade.

The club needs to help them BOTH. Not favor one over the other. These clubs are selling platforms to college coaches which means making sure ALL players get the exposure they need. The better they are at that, the more they succeed. That's why they're willing to be flexible.

All you want to do is play down older players against younger ones. Stealing younger players opportunities.

I'm for doing what's BEST for EACH player. That might be playing up OR playing on age. Case-by-case. If you want clubs instead to force inflexible rules on people, what comes around goes around eventually.

No you're not. You're about hiding behind the rules and waiting for whatever opportunity you see to try and push your play down agenda. Too bad its not going to work here.

Here playing up as a choice isn't allowed and playing up is rare and reserved for the best on a case by case basis as decided by clubs based on talent. There is no hiding behind rules, the clubs run the show.

Pretty evident for anyone not trying to hide behind the rules trying to make their Sept kid the oldest.

"Here" plays by the same rules as everyone else. Over time clubs even "here" will start playing playing Aug birthdays on their grade in school team because its easier and solves all kinds of issues.

Back to your solving non existent problems narrative I see

1 Clubs don't have a problem today based on kids DOB or month only

2 There is and won't be any such thing as a grade in school team in club soccer. Not even HS has grade in school teams, only Varsity and Junior Varsity

Then why go through changing from BY to SY. If grade in school doesnt exist?

Seasonal Year has nothing to do with School Grade

If there was such a thing as grade in school groupings, they would have dropped U6, U10, U16 and replaced with 5th Grade, 8th Grade.

They didn't. Why? Because grade in school groupings doesn't exist in club soccer.

Dude everyone literally said that they're changing from BY to SY so theres less trapped players.

Try and explain what a trapped player is without acknowledging grade in school.

How does acknowledgement of the existence of grades in school equate to there being school grade groupings in club soccer?

There are grades in school.
There are no school grade groupings in any travel club soccer league.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the 2026–2027 school year, children born after August 1, 2010, will generally be entering 10th grade (Sophomore year) or 11th grade (Junior year), depending on their specific birth month and your local district's cutoff date.

Proof
https://docs.google.com/d...obilebasic
https://www.pausd.org/enr...-placement
https://iusd.org/sites/de...6-27_0.pdf

2010s born after 8/1 are most likely to be Juniors or Sophomores. Which is why below is mathematically correct.

Still 100% correct.

This is for next fall when SY starts.

11v11 = U18/U19 = ≤ 8/1/2007 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U17 = ≤ 8/1/2009 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U16 = ≤ 8/1/2010 ≈ Junior
11v11 = U15 = ≤ 8/1/2011 ≈ Sophmore
11v11 = U14 = ≤ 8/1/2012 ≈ Freshman
11v11 = U13 = ≤ 8/1/2013 ≈ 8th grade
9v9/11v11 = U12 = ≤ 8/1/2014 ≈ 7th grade
9v9 = U11 = ≤ 8/1/2015 ≈ 6th grade
9v9 = U10 = ≤ 8/1/2016 ≈ 5th grade
7v7 = U9 = ≤ 8/1/2017 ≈ 4th grade
7v7 = U8 = ≤ 8/1/2018 ≈ 3rd grade
4v4 = U7 = ≤ 8/1/2019 ≈ 2nd grade
4v4 = U6 = ≤ 8/1/2020 ≈ 1st grade
4v4 = U5 = ≤ 8/1/2020 ≈ Kindergarten

Using U14 as an example what this is saying is...

1. They play 11v11
2. Players turn 14 after Aug 1
3. Players are younger than or equal to 8/1/2012
4. Players are most likely in 8th grade or Freshman

This is off by one year and the proof links dont work. Why are you recreating a matrix that doesn't make sense?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:General grades for Fall 2026

U19, 8/1/2007 - 7/31, Senior and lower
U17, 8/1/2009 - 7/31, Senior and lower
U16, 8/1/2010 - 7/31, Junior and lower
U15, 8/1/2011 - 7/31, Sophomore and lower
U14, 8/1/2012 - 7/31, Freshman and lower
U13, 8/1/2013 - 7/31, 8th and lower
U12, 8/1/2014 - 7/31, 7th and lower
U11, 8/1/2015 - 7/31, 6th and lower
U10, 8/1/2016 - 7/31, 5th and lower
U9, 8/1/2017 - 7/31, 4th and lower
U8, 8/1/2018 - 7/31, 3rd and lower
U7, 8/1/2019 - 7/31, 2nd and lower
U6, 8/1/2020 - 7/31, 1st and lower
U5, 8/1/2021 - 7/31, Kindergarten and lower

But by daughter skipped 2 grades in school. What you've written doesnt work for her.

[Anonymous]

In the 2026–2027 school year, children born after August 1, 2010, will generally be entering 10th grade (Sophomore year). Depending on their specific birth month and your local district's cutoff date.

Proof
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yAq7D-HKcIoe5A3hpocH9GABvwkEErEVw9tZAIMjpYo/mobilebasic
https://www.pausd.org/enrollment/registration/enrollment-process/grade-placement
https://iusd.org/sites/default/files/documents/Grade%20Level%20Placement%20for%20ALL%202026-27_0.pdf

2010s born after 8/1 are most likely to be Sophmores next fall not Juniors. Which is why below is mathematically correct.

Still 100% correct.

This is for next fall when SY starts.

11v11 = U18/U19 = ≤ 8/1/2007 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U17 = ≤ 8/1/2009 ≈ Junior
11v11 = U16 = ≤ 8/1/2010 ≈ Sophmore
11v11 = U15 = ≤ 8/1/2011 ≈ Freshman
11v11 = U14 = ≤ 8/1/2012 ≈ 8th grade
11v11 = U13 = ≤ 8/1/2013 ≈ 7th grade
9v9/11v11 = U12 = ≤ 8/1/2014 ≈ 6th grade
9v9 = U11 = ≤ 8/1/2015 ≈ 5th grade
9v9 = U10 = ≤ 8/1/2016 ≈ 4th grade
7v7 = U9 = ≤ 8/1/2017 ≈ 3rd grade
7v7 = U8 = ≤ 8/1/2018 ≈ 2nd grade
4v4 = U7 = ≤ 8/1/2019 ≈ 1st grade
4v4 = U6 = ≤ 8/1/2020 ≈ Kindergarten

Using U14 as an example what this is saying is...

1. They play 11v11
2. Players turn 14 after Aug 1
3. Players are younger than or equal to 8/1/2012
4. Players are most likely in 8th grade

[Anonymous]

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Age guy needs to stop looking for ways to play against younger players

[Anonymous]

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Age guy needs to stop looking for ways to play against younger players

Thats kind of interesting.

[Anonymous]

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Age guy needs to stop looking for ways to play against younger players

Thats kind of interesting.

What's kind of inteesting?Do not copy this part

[Anonymous]

In the 2026–2027 school year, children born after August 1, 2010, will generally be entering 10th grade (Sophomore year) or 11th grade (Junior year), depending on their specific birth month and your local district's cutoff date.

Proof
https://docs.google.com/d...obilebasic
https://www.pausd.org/enr...-placement
https://iusd.org/sites/de...6-27_0.pdf

2010s born after 8/1 are most likely to be Juniors or Sophomores. Which is why below is mathematically correct.

Still 100% correct.

This is for next fall when SY starts.

11v11 = U18/U19 = ≤ 8/1/2007 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U17 = ≤ 8/1/2009 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U16 = ≤ 8/1/2010 ≈ Junior
11v11 = U15 = ≤ 8/1/2011 ≈ Sophmore
11v11 = U14 = ≤ 8/1/2012 ≈ Freshman
11v11 = U13 = ≤ 8/1/2013 ≈ 8th grade
9v9/11v11 = U12 = ≤ 8/1/2014 ≈ 7th grade
9v9 = U11 = ≤ 8/1/2015 ≈ 6th grade
9v9 = U10 = ≤ 8/1/2016 ≈ 5th grade
7v7 = U9 = ≤ 8/1/2017 ≈ 4th grade
7v7 = U8 = ≤ 8/1/2018 ≈ 3rd grade
4v4 = U7 = ≤ 8/1/2019 ≈ 2nd grade
4v4 = U6 = ≤ 8/1/2020 ≈ 1st grade
4v4 = U5 = ≤ 8/1/2020 ≈ Kindergarten

Using U14 as an example what this is saying is...

1. They play 11v11
2. Players turn 14 after Aug 1
3. Players are younger than or equal to 8/1/2012
4. Players are most likely in 8th grade or Freshman

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:General grades for Fall 2026

U19, 8/1/2007 - 7/31, Senior and lower
U17, 8/1/2009 - 7/31, Senior and lower
U16, 8/1/2010 - 7/31, Junior and lower
U15, 8/1/2011 - 7/31, Sophomore and lower
U14, 8/1/2012 - 7/31, Freshman and lower
U13, 8/1/2013 - 7/31, 8th and lower
U12, 8/1/2014 - 7/31, 7th and lower
U11, 8/1/2015 - 7/31, 6th and lower
U10, 8/1/2016 - 7/31, 5th and lower
U9, 8/1/2017 - 7/31, 4th and lower
U8, 8/1/2018 - 7/31, 3rd and lower
U7, 8/1/2019 - 7/31, 2nd and lower
U6, 8/1/2020 - 7/31, 1st and lower
U5, 8/1/2021 - 7/31, Kindergarten and lower

But by daughter skipped 2 grades in school. What you've written doesnt work for her.

Ok, you don't have to respond to every post.