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Ignorant speculators said Obama was crazy talk until the 2008 election party primary season started. A famous mad scientist from the 50s along with most of the GOP outside of California thought Reagan was crazy talk until it wasn't. Exposure equals opportunity to fail or succeed in politics. While the general elections POTUS debates have lost their value in recent years due to the Trump/Biden embarrassments, party primary debates can still be very, very telling and productive. Put Whitmer on the stage with 8 to 12 other serious candidates vying for the nomination and then we'll have the stage to judge her against the competition. Whitmer could very well be a 2008 John Edwards or Biden sharing a debate stage with far superior candidates like HRC and Obama but as a multi term governor of a swing state, she deserves the opportunity to compete fairly for the nomination if she so desires. Signed, not a Whitmer fan per se but an advocate for fair and open competition for a major party nomination |
DP. There were supply chain issues that occurred on his watch outside of paternity leave. I also don’t believe the fiction that seeing the head of an agency doing something encourages the grunts working there to do the same thing. Like Kash Patel lives in Vegas yet I doubt a peon feels they can work remotely. Etc. But also did he do anything of note during his tenure? |
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I like Pete Buttigieg. But I think his time at McKinsey ruined his viability as a presidential candidate. Plus his endless parental leave while being the Secretary of Transportation - especially during Covid, when shipping, air traffic etc was a huge issue. And the Secretary of Transportation wasn't there. He instead chose to take a long extended leave that is not an option for the vast majority of parents.
Buttigieg is smart, but he's made some poor choices. And I don't think he has the inner drive to seek the presidency - much less be on 24/7 for four to eight years. He will coast in his private sector world because it's lucrative. He does not have what it takes to become and be the president. At this moment in time, it's Newsom and Pritzker that have the energy, money and viability. I think AOC is going to choose to take Schumer's seat in 2028. |
Yea and people thought Kamala and Hilary were crazy talk. There’s no Obama Cinderella story for a woman in the history of the United States. |
Harris lost for a lot of different reasons, including that. |
I don’t think the McKinsey stuff matters but the transportation secretary stuff plus not continuing in politics. I think he would make a good governor or senator. But he kind of comes across as someone who just likes accomplishments for accomplishment sake that is not interested in the drudgery of doing the job. |
Wow, you sure put PP in their place with that cogent and impactful counterpoint! |
Making the political arena more inviting to our best and brightest along with fair and competitive primary elections will inevitably lead to a woman becoming POTUS. HRC would have been elected POTUS in 2008 if not for that election being timed with the emergence of a generational political talent. Had she been the nominee in 2008 leaving an unseasoned Obama to add some experience to his talent, we very likely would have never had a Trump era in politics but that's a topic for another day. Obama and HRC were elite politicians with presidential level talent. Harris was a serious and worthy candidate but there is no substance behind lumping her in with elite talents like Obama and HRC. |
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As of now, the nomination is Newsom's to lose. He's charismatic, quick on his feet, and knows how to stand up to Trump/MAGA. Attacks on his record and character don't seem to be sticking, and he's actively workshopping responses to criticism. That said, there's a long way to go before the 2028 primary season.
I like Harris and I supported her in 2020 as well as 2024, but I don't think she should run again in 2028 - I just don't see that going anywhere. I love AOC! I think she's awesome and has a bright future. I also don't see Middle America voting for her in a national election, at least not yet. The good news is I also think she's smart enough to know it. Speaker Ocasio-Cortez has a nice ring to it, though. I also like Beshear, but I just don't think he has that "it" factor. Kelly? Zzzzzz.... Shapiro strikes me a lot like Newson seems to strike some of the commenters in this thread - kinda oily, in it only for himself. But maybe that's just me. However, I also think his supporters grossly underestimate how PO'd the Democratic base is at Israel right now, which doesn't help him. Buttigieg would be an amazing running mate, filling the traditional attack dog role in anyone's campaign. Unfortunately, like AOC, I don't see Middle America voting for him at the top of the ticket. I don't really know enough about the other figures people have mentioned to have an opinion. |
An awesome losing ticket. |
Politics by definition is tribal and non-technical. So you aren't going to get the best and brightest. You're going to get people that don't know their a$$ from a hole in the wall and play politics to get ahead. Haven't you ever worked in an office? "our best and brightest along with fair" - you realize these are in direct conflict with each other, right? The best and brightest want nothing to do with politics because they are numbers people, not feelings people. What's worse with democrats is they form an ideology and then push policy to prove it and further it. A rational person would say observe, get the facts and then form good policy around that to create a sound ideology. That's not what progressives are about. They're about ignoring human nature and forcing bad ideas on everyone to make misery and outcomes equal. |
I disagree. I saw him speak several times in Iowa and he turned himself inside out to be the winner of the caucuses in this state. He was everywhere. He has more than proved he has the tenacity to do the job. |
The bolded is an interesting thought. Maybe a more powerful position than the president. Hmm.🤔 |
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Which candidates have promised to demolish the ballroom?
Which candidates have promised to undo Trump's actions on immigration? |
??? You’re proving my point. He def has the tenacity of obtaining prestigious positions. Campaigning is not the job it’s auditioning for the job. Did he do anything of note as the mayor of Indiana’s fourth largest city other than fire the first African-American Police Chief? Did he do anything of note as secretary of transportation? |