Lebanon / Israel

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would Hezbollah (allegedly) possess up to 100,000 rockets and have a fighting force of up to 100,000 people?

Because they get $700 million a year from Iran.

When will people read basic stuff about these groups?

+1

And the missiles are made in Syria…which is why Israel has executed targeted missions in Syria to eliminate the underground bunkers where they manufacture and store the weapons.

Alas, the posters who get their news from biased Tik Tok manipulators don’t have a clue about what’s happening. They simply operate on a basic level: Israel is committing genocide and anyone who questions the terrorists is a Zionist. It would be hilarious if such simpleton nonsense was limited to a select few…but the Tik Tok nation of dummies is massive. Scary.

Seriously.

I’ve been posting links from Reuters, AP, Council on Foreign Relations, etc.

I get rants in return with no sources. Or if there is a source, it’s Twitter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread is derailing. Does anyone want to talk about the Israeli - Lebanese situation or just throw insults at one another?

Here are my other questions:

1) There is no precision targeting going on (I have seen this first hand from a friend with family in Lebanon. Why does the media keep referring to “Israel attacks Herbollah” when it’s “Israel attacks Lebanon”

2) how does Israel’s actions make me (a US Jew) safer? Just see all the anger the IdF killing has stirred up on the board

3) how does Israel’s actions bring the hostages home?

Israel has been incredibly precise by every measure and civilian casualties in Lebanon well below the accepted levels used by the US when it goes to war. Obviously, very civilian casualty is tragic. But no, a Hezbollah terrorist group member killed isn’t a civilian.

As for hostages, that’s on Hamas. Why does Israel have to do all the work for everything while the terrorist group Hamas has no accountability. Hamas could have returned hostages on October 8. It didn’t have to execute any of them. But it did. Stop holding Israel to an absurd standard that would never be applied to any other country in the world.

No one believes your Zionist propaganda any longer. Israel has developed quite an appetite for the indiscriminate killing of civilians all over the region. It is hated for good reason, and the leadership of Israel deserves to be detained, tried by international authorities, and punished appropriately. Netanyahu and his henchmen are criminals and should be dealt with as such.

DP

FTR, not a Zionist…just a cafeteria catholic American gal who recognizes that neck of the woods has been a powder keg for hundreds of years. My priority will always be America and our interests…including things like human rights, freedom of religion, democracy, rule of law, etc.

The reality is other Arab nations appreciate the role Israel plays. The civilized nations are covertly supporting Israel. Nobody wants Iran and its terrorist thugs. Nobody.

Lebanon and Gaza need leaders who embrace western values. And Israel needs new leadership as well. I suggest younger Gen X leadership—ideally people who went to Uni in the US or UK. Heck, wouldn’t it be great if we could wave a magic wand and install 3 women.

Israel and civilized don’t go together in one sentence. Get out of here with your ‘western values’. The only western values Israel has shown are colonialism, oppression and genocide of an entire population for their own selfish interests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread is derailing. Does anyone want to talk about the Israeli - Lebanese situation or just throw insults at one another?

Here are my other questions:

1) There is no precision targeting going on (I have seen this first hand from a friend with family in Lebanon. Why does the media keep referring to “Israel attacks Herbollah” when it’s “Israel attacks Lebanon”

2) how does Israel’s actions make me (a US Jew) safer? Just see all the anger the IdF killing has stirred up on the board

3) how does Israel’s actions bring the hostages home?

Israel has been incredibly precise by every measure and civilian casualties in Lebanon well below the accepted levels used by the US when it goes to war. Obviously, very civilian casualty is tragic. But no, a Hezbollah terrorist group member killed isn’t a civilian.

As for hostages, that’s on Hamas. Why does Israel have to do all the work for everything while the terrorist group Hamas has no accountability. Hamas could have returned hostages on October 8. It didn’t have to execute any of them. But it did. Stop holding Israel to an absurd standard that would never be applied to any other country in the world.

No one believes your Zionist propaganda any longer. Israel has developed quite an appetite for the indiscriminate killing of civilians all over the region. It is hated for good reason, and the leadership of Israel deserves to be detained, tried by international authorities, and punished appropriately. Netanyahu and his henchmen are criminals and should be dealt with as such.

DP

FTR, not a Zionist…just a cafeteria catholic American gal who recognizes that neck of the woods has been a powder keg for hundreds of years. My priority will always be America and our interests…including things like human rights, freedom of religion, democracy, rule of law, etc.

The reality is other Arab nations appreciate the role Israel plays. The civilized nations are covertly supporting Israel. Nobody wants Iran and its terrorist thugs. Nobody.

Lebanon and Gaza need leaders who embrace western values. And Israel needs new leadership as well. I suggest younger Gen X leadership—ideally people who went to Uni in the US or UK. Heck, wouldn’t it be great if we could wave a magic wand and install 3 women.

The official leaders of Lebanon and Palestine are less of the issue.

The problem is both places have been taken over by Iran proxy groups that are hellbent on destruction.

The Israeli government needs to be voted out and returned to a leftist leadership. Someone like Rabin.

i agree with both of these posts. moderate arab nations are israel’s new allies. their fight against muslim brotherhood offshoots and iran are one and the same. and israeli leadership needs to go, like, yesterday. in fact, tens of thousands of israelis are constantly protesting against this government. if just one party left the coalition it would be a new day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread is derailing. Does anyone want to talk about the Israeli - Lebanese situation or just throw insults at one another?

Here are my other questions:

1) There is no precision targeting going on (I have seen this first hand from a friend with family in Lebanon. Why does the media keep referring to “Israel attacks Herbollah” when it’s “Israel attacks Lebanon”

2) how does Israel’s actions make me (a US Jew) safer? Just see all the anger the IdF killing has stirred up on the board

3) how does Israel’s actions bring the hostages home?

Israel has been incredibly precise by every measure and civilian casualties in Lebanon well below the accepted levels used by the US when it goes to war. Obviously, very civilian casualty is tragic. But no, a Hezbollah terrorist group member killed isn’t a civilian.

As for hostages, that’s on Hamas. Why does Israel have to do all the work for everything while the terrorist group Hamas has no accountability. Hamas could have returned hostages on October 8. It didn’t have to execute any of them. But it did. Stop holding Israel to an absurd standard that would never be applied to any other country in the world.

No one believes your Zionist propaganda any longer. Israel has developed quite an appetite for the indiscriminate killing of civilians all over the region. It is hated for good reason, and the leadership of Israel deserves to be detained, tried by international authorities, and punished appropriately. Netanyahu and his henchmen are criminals and should be dealt with as such.

DP

FTR, not a Zionist…just a cafeteria catholic American gal who recognizes that neck of the woods has been a powder keg for hundreds of years. My priority will always be America and our interests…including things like human rights, freedom of religion, democracy, rule of law, etc.

The reality is other Arab nations appreciate the role Israel plays. The civilized nations are covertly supporting Israel. Nobody wants Iran and its terrorist thugs. Nobody.

Lebanon and Gaza need leaders who embrace western values. And Israel needs new leadership as well. I suggest younger Gen X leadership—ideally people who went to Uni in the US or UK. Heck, wouldn’t it be great if we could wave a magic wand and install 3 women.

The official leaders of Lebanon and Palestine are less of the issue.

The problem is both places have been taken over by Iran proxy groups that are hellbent on destruction.

The Israeli government needs to be voted out and returned to a leftist leadership. Someone like Rabin.

Right.

So root out the terrorists, install new leadership in all 3 countries, and have a zero tolerance policy on religious extremism, militant groups, etc.

People need safety first. That takes enforcement coupled with leadership to implement western values. It will take a couple generations to change hearts and minds. Evolution is hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread is derailing. Does anyone want to talk about the Israeli - Lebanese situation or just throw insults at one another?

Here are my other questions:

1) There is no precision targeting going on (I have seen this first hand from a friend with family in Lebanon. Why does the media keep referring to “Israel attacks Herbollah” when it’s “Israel attacks Lebanon”

2) how does Israel’s actions make me (a US Jew) safer? Just see all the anger the IdF killing has stirred up on the board

3) how does Israel’s actions bring the hostages home?

Israel has been incredibly precise by every measure and civilian casualties in Lebanon well below the accepted levels used by the US when it goes to war. Obviously, very civilian casualty is tragic. But no, a Hezbollah terrorist group member killed isn’t a civilian.

As for hostages, that’s on Hamas. Why does Israel have to do all the work for everything while the terrorist group Hamas has no accountability. Hamas could have returned hostages on October 8. It didn’t have to execute any of them. But it did. Stop holding Israel to an absurd standard that would never be applied to any other country in the world.

No one believes your Zionist propaganda any longer. Israel has developed quite an appetite for the indiscriminate killing of civilians all over the region. It is hated for good reason, and the leadership of Israel deserves to be detained, tried by international authorities, and punished appropriately. Netanyahu and his henchmen are criminals and should be dealt with as such.

DP

FTR, not a Zionist…just a cafeteria catholic American gal who recognizes that neck of the woods has been a powder keg for hundreds of years. My priority will always be America and our interests…including things like human rights, freedom of religion, democracy, rule of law, etc.

The reality is other Arab nations appreciate the role Israel plays. The civilized nations are covertly supporting Israel. Nobody wants Iran and its terrorist thugs. Nobody.

Lebanon and Gaza need leaders who embrace western values. And Israel needs new leadership as well. I suggest younger Gen X leadership—ideally people who went to Uni in the US or UK. Heck, wouldn’t it be great if we could wave a magic wand and install 3 women.

Israel and civilized don’t go together in one sentence. Get out of here with your ‘western values’. The only western values Israel has shown are colonialism, oppression and genocide of an entire population for their own selfish interests.

Bless your heart. I’ll pray for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread is derailing. Does anyone want to talk about the Israeli - Lebanese situation or just throw insults at one another?

Here are my other questions:

1) There is no precision targeting going on (I have seen this first hand from a friend with family in Lebanon. Why does the media keep referring to “Israel attacks Herbollah” when it’s “Israel attacks Lebanon”

2) how does Israel’s actions make me (a US Jew) safer? Just see all the anger the IdF killing has stirred up on the board

3) how does Israel’s actions bring the hostages home?

Israel has been incredibly precise by every measure and civilian casualties in Lebanon well below the accepted levels used by the US when it goes to war. Obviously, very civilian casualty is tragic. But no, a Hezbollah terrorist group member killed isn’t a civilian.

As for hostages, that’s on Hamas. Why does Israel have to do all the work for everything while the terrorist group Hamas has no accountability. Hamas could have returned hostages on October 8. It didn’t have to execute any of them. But it did. Stop holding Israel to an absurd standard that would never be applied to any other country in the world.

No one believes your Zionist propaganda any longer. Israel has developed quite an appetite for the indiscriminate killing of civilians all over the region. It is hated for good reason, and the leadership of Israel deserves to be detained, tried by international authorities, and punished appropriately. Netanyahu and his henchmen are criminals and should be dealt with as such.

DP

FTR, not a Zionist…just a cafeteria catholic American gal who recognizes that neck of the woods has been a powder keg for hundreds of years. My priority will always be America and our interests…including things like human rights, freedom of religion, democracy, rule of law, etc.

The reality is other Arab nations appreciate the role Israel plays. The civilized nations are covertly supporting Israel. Nobody wants Iran and its terrorist thugs. Nobody.

Lebanon and Gaza need leaders who embrace western values. And Israel needs new leadership as well. I suggest younger Gen X leadership—ideally people who went to Uni in the US or UK. Heck, wouldn’t it be great if we could wave a magic wand and install 3 women.

The official leaders of Lebanon and Palestine are less of the issue.

The problem is both places have been taken over by Iran proxy groups that are hellbent on destruction.

The Israeli government needs to be voted out and returned to a leftist leadership. Someone like Rabin.

Right.

So root out the terrorists, install new leadership in all 3 countries, and have a zero tolerance policy on religious extremism, militant groups, etc.

People need safety first. That takes enforcement coupled with leadership to implement western values. It will take a couple generations to change hearts and minds. Evolution is hard.

Israel took a hard right turn when Rabin was killed. They used to be more leftist. They can get back there.

But it will be hard to do that when Hamas and Hezbollah are on their borders.

It’s going to take action on ALL sides.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread is derailing. Does anyone want to talk about the Israeli - Lebanese situation or just throw insults at one another?

Here are my other questions:

1) There is no precision targeting going on (I have seen this first hand from a friend with family in Lebanon. Why does the media keep referring to “Israel attacks Herbollah” when it’s “Israel attacks Lebanon”

2) how does Israel’s actions make me (a US Jew) safer? Just see all the anger the IdF killing has stirred up on the board

3) how does Israel’s actions bring the hostages home?

Israel has been incredibly precise by every measure and civilian casualties in Lebanon well below the accepted levels used by the US when it goes to war. Obviously, very civilian casualty is tragic. But no, a Hezbollah terrorist group member killed isn’t a civilian.

As for hostages, that’s on Hamas. Why does Israel have to do all the work for everything while the terrorist group Hamas has no accountability. Hamas could have returned hostages on October 8. It didn’t have to execute any of them. But it did. Stop holding Israel to an absurd standard that would never be applied to any other country in the world.

No one believes your Zionist propaganda any longer. Israel has developed quite an appetite for the indiscriminate killing of civilians all over the region. It is hated for good reason, and the leadership of Israel deserves to be detained, tried by international authorities, and punished appropriately. Netanyahu and his henchmen are criminals and should be dealt with as such.

DP

FTR, not a Zionist…just a cafeteria catholic American gal who recognizes that neck of the woods has been a powder keg for hundreds of years. My priority will always be America and our interests…including things like human rights, freedom of religion, democracy, rule of law, etc.

The reality is other Arab nations appreciate the role Israel plays. The civilized nations are covertly supporting Israel. Nobody wants Iran and its terrorist thugs. Nobody.

Lebanon and Gaza need leaders who embrace western values. And Israel needs new leadership as well. I suggest younger Gen X leadership—ideally people who went to Uni in the US or UK. Heck, wouldn’t it be great if we could wave a magic wand and install 3 women.

The official leaders of Lebanon and Palestine are less of the issue.

The problem is both places have been taken over by Iran proxy groups that are hellbent on destruction.

The Israeli government needs to be voted out and returned to a leftist leadership. Someone like Rabin.

Right.

So root out the terrorists, install new leadership in all 3 countries, and have a zero tolerance policy on religious extremism, militant groups, etc.

People need safety first. That takes enforcement coupled with leadership to implement western values. It will take a couple generations to change hearts and minds. Evolution is hard.

Israel took a hard right turn when Rabin was killed. They used to be more leftist. They can get back there.

But it will be hard to do that when Hamas and Hezbollah are on their borders.

It’s going to take action on ALL sides.

Um…yes…

I think as we approach the one year mark of the war and observe a ratcheting up of operations, it’s safe to assume Israel and the sensible Arab nations quietly supporting them realize nothing will change until Hamas and Hezbollah are neutralized.

While I am a pacifist who thinks most wars are a pointless tragedies, this war might actually produce positive results if the terrorists are defeated and new leadership fosters peaceful coexistence…eventually.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread is derailing. Does anyone want to talk about the Israeli - Lebanese situation or just throw insults at one another?

Here are my other questions:

1) There is no precision targeting going on (I have seen this first hand from a friend with family in Lebanon. Why does the media keep referring to “Israel attacks Herbollah” when it’s “Israel attacks Lebanon”

2) how does Israel’s actions make me (a US Jew) safer? Just see all the anger the IdF killing has stirred up on the board

3) how does Israel’s actions bring the hostages home?

Israel has been incredibly precise by every measure and civilian casualties in Lebanon well below the accepted levels used by the US when it goes to war. Obviously, very civilian casualty is tragic. But no, a Hezbollah terrorist group member killed isn’t a civilian.

As for hostages, that’s on Hamas. Why does Israel have to do all the work for everything while the terrorist group Hamas has no accountability. Hamas could have returned hostages on October 8. It didn’t have to execute any of them. But it did. Stop holding Israel to an absurd standard that would never be applied to any other country in the world.

No one believes your Zionist propaganda any longer. Israel has developed quite an appetite for the indiscriminate killing of civilians all over the region. It is hated for good reason, and the leadership of Israel deserves to be detained, tried by international authorities, and punished appropriately. Netanyahu and his henchmen are criminals and should be dealt with as such.

DP

FTR, not a Zionist…just a cafeteria catholic American gal who recognizes that neck of the woods has been a powder keg for hundreds of years. My priority will always be America and our interests…including things like human rights, freedom of religion, democracy, rule of law, etc.

The reality is other Arab nations appreciate the role Israel plays. The civilized nations are covertly supporting Israel. Nobody wants Iran and its terrorist thugs. Nobody.

Lebanon and Gaza need leaders who embrace western values. And Israel needs new leadership as well. I suggest younger Gen X leadership—ideally people who went to Uni in the US or UK. Heck, wouldn’t it be great if we could wave a magic wand and install 3 women.

The official leaders of Lebanon and Palestine are less of the issue.

The problem is both places have been taken over by Iran proxy groups that are hellbent on destruction.

The Israeli government needs to be voted out and returned to a leftist leadership. Someone like Rabin.

Right.

So root out the terrorists, install new leadership in all 3 countries, and have a zero tolerance policy on religious extremism, militant groups, etc.

People need safety first. That takes enforcement coupled with leadership to implement western values. It will take a couple generations to change hearts and minds. Evolution is hard.

Israel took a hard right turn when Rabin was killed. They used to be more leftist. They can get back there.

But it will be hard to do that when Hamas and Hezbollah are on their borders.

It’s going to take action on ALL sides.

Um…yes…

I think as we approach the one year mark of the war and observe a ratcheting up of operations, it’s safe to assume Israel and the sensible Arab nations quietly supporting them realize nothing will change until Hamas and Hezbollah are neutralized.

While I am a pacifist who thinks most wars are a pointless tragedies, this war might actually produce positive results if the terrorists are defeated and new leadership fosters peaceful coexistence…eventually.

Right. We all know where this is heading. We've seen this game before. Getting rid of Hussein was great for America and the Middle East. I mean for sure right? It's not like it created a power vacuum or anything. This doesn't stop with Hezbollah...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread is derailing. Does anyone want to talk about the Israeli - Lebanese situation or just throw insults at one another?

Here are my other questions:

1) There is no precision targeting going on (I have seen this first hand from a friend with family in Lebanon. Why does the media keep referring to “Israel attacks Herbollah” when it’s “Israel attacks Lebanon”

2) how does Israel’s actions make me (a US Jew) safer? Just see all the anger the IdF killing has stirred up on the board

3) how does Israel’s actions bring the hostages home?

Israel has been incredibly precise by every measure and civilian casualties in Lebanon well below the accepted levels used by the US when it goes to war. Obviously, very civilian casualty is tragic. But no, a Hezbollah terrorist group member killed isn’t a civilian.

As for hostages, that’s on Hamas. Why does Israel have to do all the work for everything while the terrorist group Hamas has no accountability. Hamas could have returned hostages on October 8. It didn’t have to execute any of them. But it did. Stop holding Israel to an absurd standard that would never be applied to any other country in the world.

No one believes your Zionist propaganda any longer. Israel has developed quite an appetite for the indiscriminate killing of civilians all over the region. It is hated for good reason, and the leadership of Israel deserves to be detained, tried by international authorities, and punished appropriately. Netanyahu and his henchmen are criminals and should be dealt with as such.

DP

FTR, not a Zionist…just a cafeteria catholic American gal who recognizes that neck of the woods has been a powder keg for hundreds of years. My priority will always be America and our interests…including things like human rights, freedom of religion, democracy, rule of law, etc.

The reality is other Arab nations appreciate the role Israel plays. The civilized nations are covertly supporting Israel. Nobody wants Iran and its terrorist thugs. Nobody.

Lebanon and Gaza need leaders who embrace western values. And Israel needs new leadership as well. I suggest younger Gen X leadership—ideally people who went to Uni in the US or UK. Heck, wouldn’t it be great if we could wave a magic wand and install 3 women.

The official leaders of Lebanon and Palestine are less of the issue.

The problem is both places have been taken over by Iran proxy groups that are hellbent on destruction.

The Israeli government needs to be voted out and returned to a leftist leadership. Someone like Rabin.

Right.

So root out the terrorists, install new leadership in all 3 countries, and have a zero tolerance policy on religious extremism, militant groups, etc.

People need safety first. That takes enforcement coupled with leadership to implement western values. It will take a couple generations to change hearts and minds. Evolution is hard.

Israel took a hard right turn when Rabin was killed. They used to be more leftist. They can get back there.

But it will be hard to do that when Hamas and Hezbollah are on their borders.

It’s going to take action on ALL sides.

Um…yes…

I think as we approach the one year mark of the war and observe a ratcheting up of operations, it’s safe to assume Israel and the sensible Arab nations quietly supporting them realize nothing will change until Hamas and Hezbollah are neutralized.

While I am a pacifist who thinks most wars are a pointless tragedies, this war might actually produce positive results if the terrorists are defeated and new leadership fosters peaceful coexistence…eventually.

Anyone who thinks Israel can "neutralize" Hamas or Hezbollah militarily without creating many more resistance organizations isn't really paying attention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread is derailing. Does anyone want to talk about the Israeli - Lebanese situation or just throw insults at one another?

Here are my other questions:

1) There is no precision targeting going on (I have seen this first hand from a friend with family in Lebanon. Why does the media keep referring to “Israel attacks Herbollah” when it’s “Israel attacks Lebanon”

2) how does Israel’s actions make me (a US Jew) safer? Just see all the anger the IdF killing has stirred up on the board

3) how does Israel’s actions bring the hostages home?

Israel has been incredibly precise by every measure and civilian casualties in Lebanon well below the accepted levels used by the US when it goes to war. Obviously, very civilian casualty is tragic. But no, a Hezbollah terrorist group member killed isn’t a civilian.

As for hostages, that’s on Hamas. Why does Israel have to do all the work for everything while the terrorist group Hamas has no accountability. Hamas could have returned hostages on October 8. It didn’t have to execute any of them. But it did. Stop holding Israel to an absurd standard that would never be applied to any other country in the world.

No one believes your Zionist propaganda any longer. Israel has developed quite an appetite for the indiscriminate killing of civilians all over the region. It is hated for good reason, and the leadership of Israel deserves to be detained, tried by international authorities, and punished appropriately. Netanyahu and his henchmen are criminals and should be dealt with as such.

DP

FTR, not a Zionist…just a cafeteria catholic American gal who recognizes that neck of the woods has been a powder keg for hundreds of years. My priority will always be America and our interests…including things like human rights, freedom of religion, democracy, rule of law, etc.

The reality is other Arab nations appreciate the role Israel plays. The civilized nations are covertly supporting Israel. Nobody wants Iran and its terrorist thugs. Nobody.

Lebanon and Gaza need leaders who embrace western values. And Israel needs new leadership as well. I suggest younger Gen X leadership—ideally people who went to Uni in the US or UK. Heck, wouldn’t it be great if we could wave a magic wand and install 3 women.

The official leaders of Lebanon and Palestine are less of the issue.

The problem is both places have been taken over by Iran proxy groups that are hellbent on destruction.

The Israeli government needs to be voted out and returned to a leftist leadership. Someone like Rabin.

Right.

So root out the terrorists, install new leadership in all 3 countries, and have a zero tolerance policy on religious extremism, militant groups, etc.

People need safety first. That takes enforcement coupled with leadership to implement western values. It will take a couple generations to change hearts and minds. Evolution is hard.

Israel took a hard right turn when Rabin was killed. They used to be more leftist. They can get back there.

But it will be hard to do that when Hamas and Hezbollah are on their borders.

It’s going to take action on ALL sides.

Um…yes…

I think as we approach the one year mark of the war and observe a ratcheting up of operations, it’s safe to assume Israel and the sensible Arab nations quietly supporting them realize nothing will change until Hamas and Hezbollah are neutralized.

While I am a pacifist who thinks most wars are a pointless tragedies, this war might actually produce positive results if the terrorists are defeated and new leadership fosters peaceful coexistence…eventually.

Anyone who thinks Israel can "neutralize" Hamas or Hezbollah militarily without creating many more resistance organizations isn't really paying attention.

So what’s the alternative? Let Hezbollah continue to launch 100s of rockets a day at Israel and hope the iron dome holds?

[Anonymous]

At least two men were wounded, one severely and one moderately, when a rocket struck a house in a kibbutz in northern Israel, according to Magen David Adom, Israel’s emergency service. Both sustained shrapnel wounds and were rushed to a nearby hospital for treatment, the service said in a statement.

(NYTimes)

[Anonymous]

Man I tell you Israel is smart as shit. I get what they're doing and it's brilliant in so many ways. Totally brilliant.

However it's also ethically wrong. It's a hard call to support them because they are pre-emptively striking their enemy and why not but the crux here is that they are killing potentially innocents in another sovereign country and short of that, you really can't be allowed to randomly blast another country.

While Hezbollah has certainly fired upon Israel I think most reasonable people would see that Israel is trying to kill as many Lebanese as possible with this new tactic v approaching a fight with Hezbollah. They are not fighting fair.

I still say the tactics are brilliant but long term and morally it's a disaster. There will come a day when revenge will happen and Israel will suffer for this. Unless they kill every single enemy they had, it's a matter of time before they get back in return some serious anger. What Israel is doing is not what people do who want peace. This is all out destruction and I get it - itll succeed in the short term but just saying - it's still a horrible thing to do..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread is derailing. Does anyone want to talk about the Israeli - Lebanese situation or just throw insults at one another?

Here are my other questions:

1) There is no precision targeting going on (I have seen this first hand from a friend with family in Lebanon. Why does the media keep referring to “Israel attacks Herbollah” when it’s “Israel attacks Lebanon”

2) how does Israel’s actions make me (a US Jew) safer? Just see all the anger the IdF killing has stirred up on the board

3) how does Israel’s actions bring the hostages home?

Israel has been incredibly precise by every measure and civilian casualties in Lebanon well below the accepted levels used by the US when it goes to war. Obviously, very civilian casualty is tragic. But no, a Hezbollah terrorist group member killed isn’t a civilian.

As for hostages, that’s on Hamas. Why does Israel have to do all the work for everything while the terrorist group Hamas has no accountability. Hamas could have returned hostages on October 8. It didn’t have to execute any of them. But it did. Stop holding Israel to an absurd standard that would never be applied to any other country in the world.

No one believes your Zionist propaganda any longer. Israel has developed quite an appetite for the indiscriminate killing of civilians all over the region. It is hated for good reason, and the leadership of Israel deserves to be detained, tried by international authorities, and punished appropriately. Netanyahu and his henchmen are criminals and should be dealt with as such.

DP

FTR, not a Zionist…just a cafeteria catholic American gal who recognizes that neck of the woods has been a powder keg for hundreds of years. My priority will always be America and our interests…including things like human rights, freedom of religion, democracy, rule of law, etc.

The reality is other Arab nations appreciate the role Israel plays. The civilized nations are covertly supporting Israel. Nobody wants Iran and its terrorist thugs. Nobody.

Lebanon and Gaza need leaders who embrace western values. And Israel needs new leadership as well. I suggest younger Gen X leadership—ideally people who went to Uni in the US or UK. Heck, wouldn’t it be great if we could wave a magic wand and install 3 women.

The official leaders of Lebanon and Palestine are less of the issue.

The problem is both places have been taken over by Iran proxy groups that are hellbent on destruction.

The Israeli government needs to be voted out and returned to a leftist leadership. Someone like Rabin.

Right.

So root out the terrorists, install new leadership in all 3 countries, and have a zero tolerance policy on religious extremism, militant groups, etc.

People need safety first. That takes enforcement coupled with leadership to implement western values. It will take a couple generations to change hearts and minds. Evolution is hard.

Israel took a hard right turn when Rabin was killed. They used to be more leftist. They can get back there.

But it will be hard to do that when Hamas and Hezbollah are on their borders.

It’s going to take action on ALL sides.

Um…yes…

I think as we approach the one year mark of the war and observe a ratcheting up of operations, it’s safe to assume Israel and the sensible Arab nations quietly supporting them realize nothing will change until Hamas and Hezbollah are neutralized.

While I am a pacifist who thinks most wars are a pointless tragedies, this war might actually produce positive results if the terrorists are defeated and new leadership fosters peaceful coexistence…eventually.

NP - but how are terrorists going to be defeated if Israel keeps producing more? Looking at the bulldozers in the West Bank, that seems a pretty effective recruitment tool for Hamas. I’m fine with the US supporting Israel, but Israel’s current government has done nothing to demonstrate any sort of forward looking solution OR willingness to be an ally. I would rather see that money go to support Americans at home and help domestic security against homegrown terrorism. Or go to Ukraine, who actually acts as an ally. At this point Israel’s leaders do whatever they want assuming the US will back them up if shit hits the fan. Maybe there are good reasons for escalation, but it also seems feasible it’s to take the attention off their ongoing f up in Gaza and retaliation in the WBank.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread is derailing. Does anyone want to talk about the Israeli - Lebanese situation or just throw insults at one another?

Here are my other questions:

1) There is no precision targeting going on (I have seen this first hand from a friend with family in Lebanon. Why does the media keep referring to “Israel attacks Herbollah” when it’s “Israel attacks Lebanon”

2) how does Israel’s actions make me (a US Jew) safer? Just see all the anger the IdF killing has stirred up on the board

3) how does Israel’s actions bring the hostages home?

Israel has been incredibly precise by every measure and civilian casualties in Lebanon well below the accepted levels used by the US when it goes to war. Obviously, very civilian casualty is tragic. But no, a Hezbollah terrorist group member killed isn’t a civilian.

As for hostages, that’s on Hamas. Why does Israel have to do all the work for everything while the terrorist group Hamas has no accountability. Hamas could have returned hostages on October 8. It didn’t have to execute any of them. But it did. Stop holding Israel to an absurd standard that would never be applied to any other country in the world.

No one believes your Zionist propaganda any longer. Israel has developed quite an appetite for the indiscriminate killing of civilians all over the region. It is hated for good reason, and the leadership of Israel deserves to be detained, tried by international authorities, and punished appropriately. Netanyahu and his henchmen are criminals and should be dealt with as such.

DP

FTR, not a Zionist…just a cafeteria catholic American gal who recognizes that neck of the woods has been a powder keg for hundreds of years. My priority will always be America and our interests…including things like human rights, freedom of religion, democracy, rule of law, etc.

The reality is other Arab nations appreciate the role Israel plays. The civilized nations are covertly supporting Israel. Nobody wants Iran and its terrorist thugs. Nobody.

Lebanon and Gaza need leaders who embrace western values. And Israel needs new leadership as well. I suggest younger Gen X leadership—ideally people who went to Uni in the US or UK. Heck, wouldn’t it be great if we could wave a magic wand and install 3 women.

The official leaders of Lebanon and Palestine are less of the issue.

The problem is both places have been taken over by Iran proxy groups that are hellbent on destruction.

The Israeli government needs to be voted out and returned to a leftist leadership. Someone like Rabin.

Right.

So root out the terrorists, install new leadership in all 3 countries, and have a zero tolerance policy on religious extremism, militant groups, etc.

People need safety first. That takes enforcement coupled with leadership to implement western values. It will take a couple generations to change hearts and minds. Evolution is hard.

Israel took a hard right turn when Rabin was killed. They used to be more leftist. They can get back there.

But it will be hard to do that when Hamas and Hezbollah are on their borders.

It’s going to take action on ALL sides.

The hard right turn is what killed Rabin. Israel today is literally what happens when the extremists terrorists win. They assassinated the Prime Minister and took over the government.
Netantahu's coalition and Hamas - they are the same picture

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this thread is derailing. Does anyone want to talk about the Israeli - Lebanese situation or just throw insults at one another?

Here are my other questions:

1) There is no precision targeting going on (I have seen this first hand from a friend with family in Lebanon. Why does the media keep referring to “Israel attacks Herbollah” when it’s “Israel attacks Lebanon”

2) how does Israel’s actions make me (a US Jew) safer? Just see all the anger the IdF killing has stirred up on the board

3) how does Israel’s actions bring the hostages home?

Israel has been incredibly precise by every measure and civilian casualties in Lebanon well below the accepted levels used by the US when it goes to war. Obviously, very civilian casualty is tragic. But no, a Hezbollah terrorist group member killed isn’t a civilian.

As for hostages, that’s on Hamas. Why does Israel have to do all the work for everything while the terrorist group Hamas has no accountability. Hamas could have returned hostages on October 8. It didn’t have to execute any of them. But it did. Stop holding Israel to an absurd standard that would never be applied to any other country in the world.

No one believes your Zionist propaganda any longer. Israel has developed quite an appetite for the indiscriminate killing of civilians all over the region. It is hated for good reason, and the leadership of Israel deserves to be detained, tried by international authorities, and punished appropriately. Netanyahu and his henchmen are criminals and should be dealt with as such.

DP

FTR, not a Zionist…just a cafeteria catholic American gal who recognizes that neck of the woods has been a powder keg for hundreds of years. My priority will always be America and our interests…including things like human rights, freedom of religion, democracy, rule of law, etc.

The reality is other Arab nations appreciate the role Israel plays. The civilized nations are covertly supporting Israel. Nobody wants Iran and its terrorist thugs. Nobody.

Lebanon and Gaza need leaders who embrace western values. And Israel needs new leadership as well. I suggest younger Gen X leadership—ideally people who went to Uni in the US or UK. Heck, wouldn’t it be great if we could wave a magic wand and install 3 women.

The official leaders of Lebanon and Palestine are less of the issue.

The problem is both places have been taken over by Iran proxy groups that are hellbent on destruction.

The Israeli government needs to be voted out and returned to a leftist leadership. Someone like Rabin.

Right.

So root out the terrorists, install new leadership in all 3 countries, and have a zero tolerance policy on religious extremism, militant groups, etc.

People need safety first. That takes enforcement coupled with leadership to implement western values. It will take a couple generations to change hearts and minds. Evolution is hard.

Israel took a hard right turn when Rabin was killed. They used to be more leftist. They can get back there.

But it will be hard to do that when Hamas and Hezbollah are on their borders.

It’s going to take action on ALL sides.

Um…yes…

I think as we approach the one year mark of the war and observe a ratcheting up of operations, it’s safe to assume Israel and the sensible Arab nations quietly supporting them realize nothing will change until Hamas and Hezbollah are neutralized.

While I am a pacifist who thinks most wars are a pointless tragedies, this war might actually produce positive results if the terrorists are defeated and new leadership fosters peaceful coexistence…eventually.

That's it, going back to the thread where the are explained the undersea alien colony launching UFOs. They at least have some semblance of sanity.