New bike lane on Old Georgetown Rd in Bethesda

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

I'm the PP. I don't live in Bethesda. I live in a different part of Montgomery County, where we also need bike lanes.

Bike lanes on major roads don't sound like they would change the situation you describe.

[Anonymous]

Long story short the current configuration of the new bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road is confusing for both drivers and cyclists. That is what we are hearing from the majority of the commuters who use that road. A so called safety solution that makes everyone less safe is no solution. The argument is not so much against bike lanes as a whole but in this particular implementation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Long story short the current configuration of the new bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road is confusing for both drivers and cyclists. That is what we are hearing from the majority of the commuters who use that road. A so called safety solution that makes everyone less safe is no solution. The argument is not so much against bike lanes as a whole but in this particular implementation.

That's because they haven't finished installing it. For example, the bike lane paint hasn't been added yet, and they still need to fix/replace/remove signs. As I recall, there's still a sign directing people to White Flint Mall! Also, change is always confusing. People were used to the old configuration, now they're getting used to the new configuration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

I'm the PP. I don't live in Bethesda. I live in a different part of Montgomery County, where we also need bike lanes.

Bike lanes on major roads don't sound like they would change the situation you describe.

That's only if you assume people only stay within their neighborhoods and don't ever need to get anywhere else. In my personal experience, though, people often drop their children off at school and then continue on their way to somewhere else, like work, or they pick their children up on the way back. Those trips have to be possible by bike too, otherwise people will continue being forced to drive.

[Anonymous]

I drove up Old Georgetown Road from Bethesda to Pike and Rose on Friday morning a little before 9. I only drive once every few months but northbound seemed to take a little longer. Southbound was gridlock. They should look at retiming the signals and giving Old Georgetown Road longer greens. I’m sure the neighborhoods won’t mind because they can just use their bikes now.

[Anonymous]

There were back-ups on Old Georgetown at peak times before the bike lanes, too.There are also back-ups on other roads with no bike lanes. I drove on Rockville Pike yesterday afternoon. Guess what, there was traffic. I expect there to be traffic when I'm driving at the same time as lots of other people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There were back-ups on Old Georgetown at peak times before the bike lanes, too.There are also back-ups on other roads with no bike lanes. I drove on Rockville Pike yesterday afternoon. Guess what, there was traffic. I expect there to be traffic when I'm driving at the same time as lots of other people.

This is the converse of the “I don’t ever see any bicyclist” view. It’s a pointless statement that’s irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There were back-ups on Old Georgetown at peak times before the bike lanes, too.There are also back-ups on other roads with no bike lanes. I drove on Rockville Pike yesterday afternoon. Guess what, there was traffic. I expect there to be traffic when I'm driving at the same time as lots of other people.

This is the converse of the “I don’t ever see any bicyclist” view. It’s a pointless statement that’s irrelevant.

On the contrary. It means "There was traffic" is does not reasonably demonstrate that the Old Georgetown safety improvements are bad, even solely from the car traffic consideration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There were back-ups on Old Georgetown at peak times before the bike lanes, too.There are also back-ups on other roads with no bike lanes. I drove on Rockville Pike yesterday afternoon. Guess what, there was traffic. I expect there to be traffic when I'm driving at the same time as lots of other people.

This is the converse of the “I don’t ever see any bicyclist” view. It’s a pointless statement that’s irrelevant.

On the contrary. It means "There was traffic" is does not reasonably demonstrate that the Old Georgetown safety improvements are bad, even solely from the car traffic consideration.

Just replace the word “traffic” with “no bicyclists” and it fits equally well and demonstrates that you sound just like the people who you are compulsively arguing with. Your post is pointless and irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There were back-ups on Old Georgetown at peak times before the bike lanes, too.There are also back-ups on other roads with no bike lanes. I drove on Rockville Pike yesterday afternoon. Guess what, there was traffic. I expect there to be traffic when I'm driving at the same time as lots of other people.

This is the converse of the “I don’t ever see any bicyclist” view. It’s a pointless statement that’s irrelevant.

On the contrary. It means "There was traffic" is does not reasonably demonstrate that the Old Georgetown safety improvements are bad, even solely from the car traffic consideration.

Just replace the word “traffic” with “no bicyclists” and it fits equally well and demonstrates that you sound just like the people who you are compulsively arguing with. Your post is pointless and irrelevant.

Like this?

"There were no bicyclists on Old Georgetown at peak times before the bike lanes, too.There are also no bicyclists on other roads with no bike lanes. I drove on Rockville Pike yesterday afternoon. Guess what, there were no bicyclists. I expect there to be no bicyclists when I'm driving at the same time as lots of other people."

No, it doesn't fit equally well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

I'm the PP. I don't live in Bethesda. I live in a different part of Montgomery County, where we also need bike lanes.

Bike lanes on major roads don't sound like they would change the situation you describe.

That's only if you assume people only stay within their neighborhoods and don't ever need to get anywhere else. In my personal experience, though, people often drop their children off at school and then continue on their way to somewhere else, like work, or they pick their children up on the way back. Those trips have to be possible by bike too, otherwise people will continue being forced to drive.

Are you seriously saying that the way to convince people (who think it takes too long to walk half a mile) to bike their kids to school instead of driving them, is to get them to bike commute to work?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There were back-ups on Old Georgetown at peak times before the bike lanes, too.There are also back-ups on other roads with no bike lanes. I drove on Rockville Pike yesterday afternoon. Guess what, there was traffic. I expect there to be traffic when I'm driving at the same time as lots of other people.

This is the converse of the “I don’t ever see any bicyclist” view. It’s a pointless statement that’s irrelevant.

On the contrary. It means "There was traffic" is does not reasonably demonstrate that the Old Georgetown safety improvements are bad, even solely from the car traffic consideration.

Just replace the word “traffic” with “no bicyclists” and it fits equally well and demonstrates that you sound just like the people who you are compulsively arguing with. Your post is pointless and irrelevant.

Like this?

"There were no bicyclists on Old Georgetown at peak times before the bike lanes, too.There are also no bicyclists on other roads with no bike lanes. I drove on Rockville Pike yesterday afternoon. Guess what, there were no bicyclists. I expect there to be no bicyclists when I'm driving at the same time as lots of other people."

No, it doesn't fit equally well.

It’s very funny because it’s absolutely carbrain. PP has a point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

I'm the PP. I don't live in Bethesda. I live in a different part of Montgomery County, where we also need bike lanes.

Bike lanes on major roads don't sound like they would change the situation you describe.

That's only if you assume people only stay within their neighborhoods and don't ever need to get anywhere else. In my personal experience, though, people often drop their children off at school and then continue on their way to somewhere else, like work, or they pick their children up on the way back. Those trips have to be possible by bike too, otherwise people will continue being forced to drive.

Are you seriously saying that the way to convince people (who think it takes too long to walk half a mile) to bike their kids to school instead of driving them, is to get them to bike commute to work?

I am seriously saying that bicycles are a great choice for distances that are too far to walk but too stupid to drive. If you hate bicycles, for some reason, then replace "bicycles" with "e-scooters". 2-6 miles takes 40 minutes to 2 hours to walk, but 10 to 30 minutes to bike.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

I'm the PP. I don't live in Bethesda. I live in a different part of Montgomery County, where we also need bike lanes.

Bike lanes on major roads don't sound like they would change the situation you describe.

That's only if you assume people only stay within their neighborhoods and don't ever need to get anywhere else. In my personal experience, though, people often drop their children off at school and then continue on their way to somewhere else, like work, or they pick their children up on the way back. Those trips have to be possible by bike too, otherwise people will continue being forced to drive.

Are you seriously saying that the way to convince people (who think it takes too long to walk half a mile) to bike their kids to school instead of driving them, is to get them to bike commute to work?

I am seriously saying that bicycles are a great choice for distances that are too far to walk but too stupid to drive. If you hate bicycles, for some reason, then replace "bicycles" with "e-scooters". 2-6 miles takes 40 minutes to 2 hours to walk, but 10 to 30 minutes to bike.

Doesn’t it depend on your purpose of travel? If you need to carry lumber from Home Depot, just because it’s bikeable from Wildwood is meaningless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

I'm the PP. I don't live in Bethesda. I live in a different part of Montgomery County, where we also need bike lanes.

Bike lanes on major roads don't sound like they would change the situation you describe.

That's only if you assume people only stay within their neighborhoods and don't ever need to get anywhere else. In my personal experience, though, people often drop their children off at school and then continue on their way to somewhere else, like work, or they pick their children up on the way back. Those trips have to be possible by bike too, otherwise people will continue being forced to drive.

Are you seriously saying that the way to convince people (who think it takes too long to walk half a mile) to bike their kids to school instead of driving them, is to get them to bike commute to work?

I am seriously saying that bicycles are a great choice for distances that are too far to walk but too stupid to drive. If you hate bicycles, for some reason, then replace "bicycles" with "e-scooters". 2-6 miles takes 40 minutes to 2 hours to walk, but 10 to 30 minutes to bike.

Doesn’t it depend on your purpose of travel? If you need to carry lumber from Home Depot, just because it’s bikeable from Wildwood is meaningless.

For what percentage of your trips are carrying lumber from Home Depot?