New bike lane on Old Georgetown Rd in Bethesda

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Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

I'm the PP. I don't live in Bethesda. I live in a different part of Montgomery County, where we also need bike lanes.

Bike lanes on major roads don't sound like they would change the situation you describe.

That's only if you assume people only stay within their neighborhoods and don't ever need to get anywhere else. In my personal experience, though, people often drop their children off at school and then continue on their way to somewhere else, like work, or they pick their children up on the way back. Those trips have to be possible by bike too, otherwise people will continue being forced to drive.

Are you seriously saying that the way to convince people (who think it takes too long to walk half a mile) to bike their kids to school instead of driving them, is to get them to bike commute to work?

I am seriously saying that bicycles are a great choice for distances that are too far to walk but too stupid to drive. If you hate bicycles, for some reason, then replace "bicycles" with "e-scooters". 2-6 miles takes 40 minutes to 2 hours to walk, but 10 to 30 minutes to bike.

::sigh:: continue living in your fantasy land

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Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

I'm the PP. I don't live in Bethesda. I live in a different part of Montgomery County, where we also need bike lanes.

Bike lanes on major roads don't sound like they would change the situation you describe.

That's only if you assume people only stay within their neighborhoods and don't ever need to get anywhere else. In my personal experience, though, people often drop their children off at school and then continue on their way to somewhere else, like work, or they pick their children up on the way back. Those trips have to be possible by bike too, otherwise people will continue being forced to drive.

Are you seriously saying that the way to convince people (who think it takes too long to walk half a mile) to bike their kids to school instead of driving them, is to get them to bike commute to work?

I am seriously saying that bicycles are a great choice for distances that are too far to walk but too stupid to drive. If you hate bicycles, for some reason, then replace "bicycles" with "e-scooters". 2-6 miles takes 40 minutes to 2 hours to walk, but 10 to 30 minutes to bike.

::sigh:: continue living in your fantasy land

You personally might insist on getting in a car every time you go more than 100 yards, but that doesn't make it a fantasy land. It just means you personally insist on getting in a car every time you go more than 100 yards.

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Most of my car trips are driving kids to activities (not biking with all their gear, or when they are tired, sweaty and hungry after), to run an errand where I am purchasing something (not biking carrying back groceries for a family of five, shoes, air filters), or to work (again, not biking because many days are to hot, to cold, to wet, and, work is not close enough to bike, and, there are no showers at work).

Am pretty much only biking on trails (Rock Creek Park) on occaisional weekends.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

I'm the PP. I don't live in Bethesda. I live in a different part of Montgomery County, where we also need bike lanes.

Bike lanes on major roads don't sound like they would change the situation you describe.

That's only if you assume people only stay within their neighborhoods and don't ever need to get anywhere else. In my personal experience, though, people often drop their children off at school and then continue on their way to somewhere else, like work, or they pick their children up on the way back. Those trips have to be possible by bike too, otherwise people will continue being forced to drive.

Are you seriously saying that the way to convince people (who think it takes too long to walk half a mile) to bike their kids to school instead of driving them, is to get them to bike commute to work?

I am seriously saying that bicycles are a great choice for distances that are too far to walk but too stupid to drive. If you hate bicycles, for some reason, then replace "bicycles" with "e-scooters". 2-6 miles takes 40 minutes to 2 hours to walk, but 10 to 30 minutes to bike.

Doesn’t it depend on your purpose of travel? If you need to carry lumber from Home Depot, just because it’s bikeable from Wildwood is meaningless.

For what percentage of your trips are carrying lumber from Home Depot?

If you owned a home and live in the area you’d be very familiar with the mulch line at Home Depot. The parking lot is always packed because people like me go there frequently during fall and spring for all sorts of things. Just in the last 2 years I have hauled from Home Depot: lumber, annual and perennial plants, mulch, leafgro, soil, my new dishwasher, my new lawn mower, multiple bags of lawn fertilizer, an extension ladder, an edger and a spade.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

I'm the PP. I don't live in Bethesda. I live in a different part of Montgomery County, where we also need bike lanes.

Bike lanes on major roads don't sound like they would change the situation you describe.

That's only if you assume people only stay within their neighborhoods and don't ever need to get anywhere else. In my personal experience, though, people often drop their children off at school and then continue on their way to somewhere else, like work, or they pick their children up on the way back. Those trips have to be possible by bike too, otherwise people will continue being forced to drive.

Are you seriously saying that the way to convince people (who think it takes too long to walk half a mile) to bike their kids to school instead of driving them, is to get them to bike commute to work?

I am seriously saying that bicycles are a great choice for distances that are too far to walk but too stupid to drive. If you hate bicycles, for some reason, then replace "bicycles" with "e-scooters". 2-6 miles takes 40 minutes to 2 hours to walk, but 10 to 30 minutes to bike.

Doesn’t it depend on your purpose of travel? If you need to carry lumber from Home Depot, just because it’s bikeable from Wildwood is meaningless.

For what percentage of your trips are carrying lumber from Home Depot?

If you owned a home and live in the area you’d be very familiar with the mulch line at Home Depot. The parking lot is always packed because people like me go there frequently during fall and spring for all sorts of things. Just in the last 2 years I have hauled from Home Depot: lumber, annual and perennial plants, mulch, leafgro, soil, my new dishwasher, my new lawn mower, multiple bags of lawn fertilizer, an extension ladder, an edger and a spade.

That's terrific. Nobody is saying that you have to make every trip by bike. However, probably most of your trips are not to Home Depot to haul dishwashers and lawnmowers.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of my car trips are driving kids to activities (not biking with all their gear, or when they are tired, sweaty and hungry after), to run an errand where I am purchasing something (not biking carrying back groceries for a family of five, shoes, air filters), or to work (again, not biking because many days are to hot, to cold, to wet, and, work is not close enough to bike, and, there are no showers at work).

Am pretty much only biking on trails (Rock Creek Park) on occaisional weekends.

Again, if you would rather drive than bike, nobody is stopping you.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

I'm the PP. I don't live in Bethesda. I live in a different part of Montgomery County, where we also need bike lanes.

Bike lanes on major roads don't sound like they would change the situation you describe.

That's only if you assume people only stay within their neighborhoods and don't ever need to get anywhere else. In my personal experience, though, people often drop their children off at school and then continue on their way to somewhere else, like work, or they pick their children up on the way back. Those trips have to be possible by bike too, otherwise people will continue being forced to drive.

Are you seriously saying that the way to convince people (who think it takes too long to walk half a mile) to bike their kids to school instead of driving them, is to get them to bike commute to work?

I am seriously saying that bicycles are a great choice for distances that are too far to walk but too stupid to drive. If you hate bicycles, for some reason, then replace "bicycles" with "e-scooters". 2-6 miles takes 40 minutes to 2 hours to walk, but 10 to 30 minutes to bike.

Doesn’t it depend on your purpose of travel? If you need to carry lumber from Home Depot, just because it’s bikeable from Wildwood is meaningless.

For what percentage of your trips are carrying lumber from Home Depot?

If you owned a home and live in the area you’d be very familiar with the mulch line at Home Depot. The parking lot is always packed because people like me go there frequently during fall and spring for all sorts of things. Just in the last 2 years I have hauled from Home Depot: lumber, annual and perennial plants, mulch, leafgro, soil, my new dishwasher, my new lawn mower, multiple bags of lawn fertilizer, an extension ladder, an edger and a spade.

That's terrific. Nobody is saying that you have to make every trip by bike. However, probably most of your trips are not to Home Depot to haul dishwashers and lawnmowers.

You have no idea what most of my car trips are, where I go or what I need to do.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

I'm the PP. I don't live in Bethesda. I live in a different part of Montgomery County, where we also need bike lanes.

Bike lanes on major roads don't sound like they would change the situation you describe.

That's only if you assume people only stay within their neighborhoods and don't ever need to get anywhere else. In my personal experience, though, people often drop their children off at school and then continue on their way to somewhere else, like work, or they pick their children up on the way back. Those trips have to be possible by bike too, otherwise people will continue being forced to drive.

Are you seriously saying that the way to convince people (who think it takes too long to walk half a mile) to bike their kids to school instead of driving them, is to get them to bike commute to work?

I am seriously saying that bicycles are a great choice for distances that are too far to walk but too stupid to drive. If you hate bicycles, for some reason, then replace "bicycles" with "e-scooters". 2-6 miles takes 40 minutes to 2 hours to walk, but 10 to 30 minutes to bike.

Doesn’t it depend on your purpose of travel? If you need to carry lumber from Home Depot, just because it’s bikeable from Wildwood is meaningless.

For what percentage of your trips are carrying lumber from Home Depot?

If you owned a home and live in the area you’d be very familiar with the mulch line at Home Depot. The parking lot is always packed because people like me go there frequently during fall and spring for all sorts of things. Just in the last 2 years I have hauled from Home Depot: lumber, annual and perennial plants, mulch, leafgro, soil, my new dishwasher, my new lawn mower, multiple bags of lawn fertilizer, an extension ladder, an edger and a spade.

That's terrific. Nobody is saying that you have to make every trip by bike. However, probably most of your trips are not to Home Depot to haul dishwashers and lawnmowers.

You have no idea what most of my car trips are, where I go or what I need to do.

Correct. Even if 100% of your trips are to Home Depot to haul heavy items, have at it! Nobody is forcing you to make any trips by bike. If you want to drive to see your next door neighbor, you can do that.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

I'm the PP. I don't live in Bethesda. I live in a different part of Montgomery County, where we also need bike lanes.

Bike lanes on major roads don't sound like they would change the situation you describe.

That's only if you assume people only stay within their neighborhoods and don't ever need to get anywhere else. In my personal experience, though, people often drop their children off at school and then continue on their way to somewhere else, like work, or they pick their children up on the way back. Those trips have to be possible by bike too, otherwise people will continue being forced to drive.

Are you seriously saying that the way to convince people (who think it takes too long to walk half a mile) to bike their kids to school instead of driving them, is to get them to bike commute to work?

I am seriously saying that bicycles are a great choice for distances that are too far to walk but too stupid to drive. If you hate bicycles, for some reason, then replace "bicycles" with "e-scooters". 2-6 miles takes 40 minutes to 2 hours to walk, but 10 to 30 minutes to bike.

Doesn’t it depend on your purpose of travel? If you need to carry lumber from Home Depot, just because it’s bikeable from Wildwood is meaningless.

For what percentage of your trips are carrying lumber from Home Depot?

If you owned a home and live in the area you’d be very familiar with the mulch line at Home Depot. The parking lot is always packed because people like me go there frequently during fall and spring for all sorts of things. Just in the last 2 years I have hauled from Home Depot: lumber, annual and perennial plants, mulch, leafgro, soil, my new dishwasher, my new lawn mower, multiple bags of lawn fertilizer, an extension ladder, an edger and a spade.

That's terrific. Nobody is saying that you have to make every trip by bike. However, probably most of your trips are not to Home Depot to haul dishwashers and lawnmowers.

You have no idea what most of my car trips are, where I go or what I need to do.

Correct. Even if 100% of your trips are to Home Depot to haul heavy items, have at it! Nobody is forcing you to make any trips by bike. If you want to drive to see your next door neighbor, you can do that.

What’s your point? Have you tried listening to people? You say that these medium distance trips are somehow a sweet spot for encouraging bikes and yet everyone is telling you that those types of trips they do are not practical so it’s useless. I’m glad that you’ve found a use case for a bike for these distances, but the vast majority of people are not going out for a burrito or just to pick up some meds and if they did, they value their time more than to allocate an hour to do it. It’s just silly.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

I'm the PP. I don't live in Bethesda. I live in a different part of Montgomery County, where we also need bike lanes.

Bike lanes on major roads don't sound like they would change the situation you describe.

That's only if you assume people only stay within their neighborhoods and don't ever need to get anywhere else. In my personal experience, though, people often drop their children off at school and then continue on their way to somewhere else, like work, or they pick their children up on the way back. Those trips have to be possible by bike too, otherwise people will continue being forced to drive.

Are you seriously saying that the way to convince people (who think it takes too long to walk half a mile) to bike their kids to school instead of driving them, is to get them to bike commute to work?

I am seriously saying that bicycles are a great choice for distances that are too far to walk but too stupid to drive. If you hate bicycles, for some reason, then replace "bicycles" with "e-scooters". 2-6 miles takes 40 minutes to 2 hours to walk, but 10 to 30 minutes to bike.

Doesn’t it depend on your purpose of travel? If you need to carry lumber from Home Depot, just because it’s bikeable from Wildwood is meaningless.

For what percentage of your trips are carrying lumber from Home Depot?

If you owned a home and live in the area you’d be very familiar with the mulch line at Home Depot. The parking lot is always packed because people like me go there frequently during fall and spring for all sorts of things. Just in the last 2 years I have hauled from Home Depot: lumber, annual and perennial plants, mulch, leafgro, soil, my new dishwasher, my new lawn mower, multiple bags of lawn fertilizer, an extension ladder, an edger and a spade.

That's terrific. Nobody is saying that you have to make every trip by bike. However, probably most of your trips are not to Home Depot to haul dishwashers and lawnmowers.

You have no idea what most of my car trips are, where I go or what I need to do.

Correct. Even if 100% of your trips are to Home Depot to haul heavy items, have at it! Nobody is forcing you to make any trips by bike. If you want to drive to see your next door neighbor, you can do that.

What’s your point? Have you tried listening to people? You say that these medium distance trips are somehow a sweet spot for encouraging bikes and yet everyone is telling you that those types of trips they do are not practical so it’s useless. I’m glad that you’ve found a use case for a bike for these distances, but the vast majority of people are not going out for a burrito or just to pick up some meds and if they did, they value their time more than to allocate an hour to do it. It’s just silly.

There are various posts saying "I want to drive for all of my trips." So do! Bike infrastructure enables people to make trips by bike. It doesn't force you, personally, to make trips by bike. Lack of bike infrastructure, on the other hand, forces everyone to make trips by car (assuming they have a car). Why are you opposed to letting people make their own transportation choices?

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Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

I'm the PP. I don't live in Bethesda. I live in a different part of Montgomery County, where we also need bike lanes.

Bike lanes on major roads don't sound like they would change the situation you describe.

That's only if you assume people only stay within their neighborhoods and don't ever need to get anywhere else. In my personal experience, though, people often drop their children off at school and then continue on their way to somewhere else, like work, or they pick their children up on the way back. Those trips have to be possible by bike too, otherwise people will continue being forced to drive.

Are you seriously saying that the way to convince people (who think it takes too long to walk half a mile) to bike their kids to school instead of driving them, is to get them to bike commute to work?

I am seriously saying that bicycles are a great choice for distances that are too far to walk but too stupid to drive. If you hate bicycles, for some reason, then replace "bicycles" with "e-scooters". 2-6 miles takes 40 minutes to 2 hours to walk, but 10 to 30 minutes to bike.

Doesn’t it depend on your purpose of travel? If you need to carry lumber from Home Depot, just because it’s bikeable from Wildwood is meaningless.

For what percentage of your trips are carrying lumber from Home Depot?

If you owned a home and live in the area you’d be very familiar with the mulch line at Home Depot. The parking lot is always packed because people like me go there frequently during fall and spring for all sorts of things. Just in the last 2 years I have hauled from Home Depot: lumber, annual and perennial plants, mulch, leafgro, soil, my new dishwasher, my new lawn mower, multiple bags of lawn fertilizer, an extension ladder, an edger and a spade.

That's terrific. Nobody is saying that you have to make every trip by bike. However, probably most of your trips are not to Home Depot to haul dishwashers and lawnmowers.

You have no idea what most of my car trips are, where I go or what I need to do.

Correct. Even if 100% of your trips are to Home Depot to haul heavy items, have at it! Nobody is forcing you to make any trips by bike. If you want to drive to see your next door neighbor, you can do that.

What’s your point? Have you tried listening to people? You say that these medium distance trips are somehow a sweet spot for encouraging bikes and yet everyone is telling you that those types of trips they do are not practical so it’s useless. I’m glad that you’ve found a use case for a bike for these distances, but the vast majority of people are not going out for a burrito or just to pick up some meds and if they did, they value their time more than to allocate an hour to do it. It’s just silly.

There are various posts saying "I want to drive for all of my trips." So do! Bike infrastructure enables people to make trips by bike. It doesn't force you, personally, to make trips by bike. Lack of bike infrastructure, on the other hand, forces everyone to make trips by car (assuming they have a car). Why are you opposed to letting people make their own transportation choices?

You again have a problem listening to people. They are saying that a bicycle is impractical for the trips that they take.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

I'm the PP. I don't live in Bethesda. I live in a different part of Montgomery County, where we also need bike lanes.

Bike lanes on major roads don't sound like they would change the situation you describe.

That's only if you assume people only stay within their neighborhoods and don't ever need to get anywhere else. In my personal experience, though, people often drop their children off at school and then continue on their way to somewhere else, like work, or they pick their children up on the way back. Those trips have to be possible by bike too, otherwise people will continue being forced to drive.

Are you seriously saying that the way to convince people (who think it takes too long to walk half a mile) to bike their kids to school instead of driving them, is to get them to bike commute to work?

I am seriously saying that bicycles are a great choice for distances that are too far to walk but too stupid to drive. If you hate bicycles, for some reason, then replace "bicycles" with "e-scooters". 2-6 miles takes 40 minutes to 2 hours to walk, but 10 to 30 minutes to bike.

Doesn’t it depend on your purpose of travel? If you need to carry lumber from Home Depot, just because it’s bikeable from Wildwood is meaningless.

For what percentage of your trips are carrying lumber from Home Depot?

If you owned a home and live in the area you’d be very familiar with the mulch line at Home Depot. The parking lot is always packed because people like me go there frequently during fall and spring for all sorts of things. Just in the last 2 years I have hauled from Home Depot: lumber, annual and perennial plants, mulch, leafgro, soil, my new dishwasher, my new lawn mower, multiple bags of lawn fertilizer, an extension ladder, an edger and a spade.

That's terrific. Nobody is saying that you have to make every trip by bike. However, probably most of your trips are not to Home Depot to haul dishwashers and lawnmowers.

You have no idea what most of my car trips are, where I go or what I need to do.

Correct. Even if 100% of your trips are to Home Depot to haul heavy items, have at it! Nobody is forcing you to make any trips by bike. If you want to drive to see your next door neighbor, you can do that.

What’s your point? Have you tried listening to people? You say that these medium distance trips are somehow a sweet spot for encouraging bikes and yet everyone is telling you that those types of trips they do are not practical so it’s useless. I’m glad that you’ve found a use case for a bike for these distances, but the vast majority of people are not going out for a burrito or just to pick up some meds and if they did, they value their time more than to allocate an hour to do it. It’s just silly.

There are various posts saying "I want to drive for all of my trips." So do! Bike infrastructure enables people to make trips by bike. It doesn't force you, personally, to make trips by bike. Lack of bike infrastructure, on the other hand, forces everyone to make trips by car (assuming they have a car). Why are you opposed to letting people make their own transportation choices?

You again have a problem listening to people. They are saying that a bicycle is impractical for the trips that they take.

They are saying that they prefer to drive. That's fine. They just shouldn't impose their driving preferences on everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

I'm the PP. I don't live in Bethesda. I live in a different part of Montgomery County, where we also need bike lanes.

Bike lanes on major roads don't sound like they would change the situation you describe.

That's only if you assume people only stay within their neighborhoods and don't ever need to get anywhere else. In my personal experience, though, people often drop their children off at school and then continue on their way to somewhere else, like work, or they pick their children up on the way back. Those trips have to be possible by bike too, otherwise people will continue being forced to drive.

Are you seriously saying that the way to convince people (who think it takes too long to walk half a mile) to bike their kids to school instead of driving them, is to get them to bike commute to work?

I am seriously saying that bicycles are a great choice for distances that are too far to walk but too stupid to drive. If you hate bicycles, for some reason, then replace "bicycles" with "e-scooters". 2-6 miles takes 40 minutes to 2 hours to walk, but 10 to 30 minutes to bike.

Doesn’t it depend on your purpose of travel? If you need to carry lumber from Home Depot, just because it’s bikeable from Wildwood is meaningless.

For what percentage of your trips are carrying lumber from Home Depot?

If you owned a home and live in the area you’d be very familiar with the mulch line at Home Depot. The parking lot is always packed because people like me go there frequently during fall and spring for all sorts of things. Just in the last 2 years I have hauled from Home Depot: lumber, annual and perennial plants, mulch, leafgro, soil, my new dishwasher, my new lawn mower, multiple bags of lawn fertilizer, an extension ladder, an edger and a spade.

That's terrific. Nobody is saying that you have to make every trip by bike. However, probably most of your trips are not to Home Depot to haul dishwashers and lawnmowers.

You have no idea what most of my car trips are, where I go or what I need to do.

Correct. Even if 100% of your trips are to Home Depot to haul heavy items, have at it! Nobody is forcing you to make any trips by bike. If you want to drive to see your next door neighbor, you can do that.

What’s your point? Have you tried listening to people? You say that these medium distance trips are somehow a sweet spot for encouraging bikes and yet everyone is telling you that those types of trips they do are not practical so it’s useless. I’m glad that you’ve found a use case for a bike for these distances, but the vast majority of people are not going out for a burrito or just to pick up some meds and if they did, they value their time more than to allocate an hour to do it. It’s just silly.

There are various posts saying "I want to drive for all of my trips." So do! Bike infrastructure enables people to make trips by bike. It doesn't force you, personally, to make trips by bike. Lack of bike infrastructure, on the other hand, forces everyone to make trips by car (assuming they have a car). Why are you opposed to letting people make their own transportation choices?

You again have a problem listening to people. They are saying that a bicycle is impractical for the trips that they take.

They are saying that they prefer to drive. That's fine. They just shouldn't impose their driving preferences on everyone else.

Well find just one post that says that what you’re saying.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

I'm the PP. I don't live in Bethesda. I live in a different part of Montgomery County, where we also need bike lanes.

Bike lanes on major roads don't sound like they would change the situation you describe.

That's only if you assume people only stay within their neighborhoods and don't ever need to get anywhere else. In my personal experience, though, people often drop their children off at school and then continue on their way to somewhere else, like work, or they pick their children up on the way back. Those trips have to be possible by bike too, otherwise people will continue being forced to drive.

Are you seriously saying that the way to convince people (who think it takes too long to walk half a mile) to bike their kids to school instead of driving them, is to get them to bike commute to work?

I am seriously saying that bicycles are a great choice for distances that are too far to walk but too stupid to drive. If you hate bicycles, for some reason, then replace "bicycles" with "e-scooters". 2-6 miles takes 40 minutes to 2 hours to walk, but 10 to 30 minutes to bike.

::sigh:: continue living in your fantasy land

You personally might insist on getting in a car every time you go more than 100 yards, but that doesn't make it a fantasy land. It just means you personally insist on getting in a car every time you go more than 100 yards.

To review, I don't agree with you about whether bike lanes will inspire people who won't even walk their kids to school half a mile, to bike/scooter commute to their workplaces. You responded by stating that "2-6 miles takes 40 minutes to 2 hours to walk, but 10 to 30 minutes to bike." Okay? Kids that live 2-6 miles from their elementary school can take the bus so I am not sure that is relevant.

Another thing that is irrelevant to this particular conversation is my personal preferences, but I did get a good laugh about your assumption that I "insist on getting into a car everytime you go more than 100 yards" since I actually go to comical lengths to avoid driving when I can.

I shouldn't be surprised about the extent to which you rely on on non sequiturs to respond to people since that seems to be the MO of bike advocates in this region.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

I'm the PP. I don't live in Bethesda. I live in a different part of Montgomery County, where we also need bike lanes.

Bike lanes on major roads don't sound like they would change the situation you describe.

That's only if you assume people only stay within their neighborhoods and don't ever need to get anywhere else. In my personal experience, though, people often drop their children off at school and then continue on their way to somewhere else, like work, or they pick their children up on the way back. Those trips have to be possible by bike too, otherwise people will continue being forced to drive.

Are you seriously saying that the way to convince people (who think it takes too long to walk half a mile) to bike their kids to school instead of driving them, is to get them to bike commute to work?

I am seriously saying that bicycles are a great choice for distances that are too far to walk but too stupid to drive. If you hate bicycles, for some reason, then replace "bicycles" with "e-scooters". 2-6 miles takes 40 minutes to 2 hours to walk, but 10 to 30 minutes to bike.

::sigh:: continue living in your fantasy land

You personally might insist on getting in a car every time you go more than 100 yards, but that doesn't make it a fantasy land. It just means you personally insist on getting in a car every time you go more than 100 yards.

To review, I don't agree with you about whether bike lanes will inspire people who won't even walk their kids to school half a mile, to bike/scooter commute to their workplaces. You responded by stating that "2-6 miles takes 40 minutes to 2 hours to walk, but 10 to 30 minutes to bike." Okay? Kids that live 2-6 miles from their elementary school can take the bus so I am not sure that is relevant.

Another thing that is irrelevant to this particular conversation is my personal preferences, but I did get a good laugh about your assumption that I "insist on getting into a car everytime you go more than 100 yards" since I actually go to comical lengths to avoid driving when I can.

I shouldn't be surprised about the extent to which you rely on on non sequiturs to respond to people since that seems to be the MO of bike advocates in this region.

Whether you agree or not doesn't matter. It's well-established that more people bike when there is safe bike infrastructure, whereas lack of safe bike infrastructure is the main factor keeping people from biking. Who knows but you might even try it, some day.