New bike lane on Old Georgetown Rd in Bethesda

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Why did you choose to move to a neighborhood that doesn’t suit your stated needs? You have the choice to move to a neighborhood that provides the amenities you seek, but I suspect that you’re not willing to make the compromises to do so. You want urbanism? Move to a more urban area in the county.

Why are you so all in on the this is how things are and they will always be this way and they must never change bandwagon? "Bethesda, Love It Or Leave It"? That's not how things work. Change happens whether you want it to or not.

Bethesda is literally changing in front of your eyes! They are creating the urbanism you desires. They have a plan for it. You can either move to join in or stay in that deep suburban neighborhood that you chose for yourself and keep complaining.

I am not the PP who lives near River/Goldsborough, but calling it "deep suburban" seems a bit off for an area that is a 30 minute walk from downtown Bethesda - or would be, if Goldsborough had basic road features, e.g., sidewalks.

Meanwhile, if that PP chooses to advocate for other basic road features, e.g., decent bike facilities, what's it to you?

That PP chose to live in a suburban hell hole and now wants the County to prioritize him and his needs because he realizes his neighborhood sucks. The County is prioritizing resources to support compact growth and density. If he wants to enjoy those amenities then he needs to move and that’s the whole point.

Kenwood/Bethesda is a suburban hellhole? A mile and half from Strosnider's? Really?

Part of supporting compact growth and density is enabling people to reach it, by means other than driving in a car. For example, by bike!

You’re going to defend Kenwood? The racist and exclusionary country club and community? Kenwood, the community that Richard Nixon decided to move to after he was impeached? Nixon literally looked around and said, yeah, those are my people.

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Why did you choose to move to a neighborhood that doesn’t suit your stated needs? You have the choice to move to a neighborhood that provides the amenities you seek, but I suspect that you’re not willing to make the compromises to do so. You want urbanism? Move to a more urban area in the county.

Why are you so all in on the this is how things are and they will always be this way and they must never change bandwagon? "Bethesda, Love It Or Leave It"? That's not how things work. Change happens whether you want it to or not.

Bethesda is literally changing in front of your eyes! They are creating the urbanism you desires. They have a plan for it. You can either move to join in or stay in that deep suburban neighborhood that you chose for yourself and keep complaining.

I am not the PP who lives near River/Goldsborough, but calling it "deep suburban" seems a bit off for an area that is a 30 minute walk from downtown Bethesda - or would be, if Goldsborough had basic road features, e.g., sidewalks.

Meanwhile, if that PP chooses to advocate for other basic road features, e.g., decent bike facilities, what's it to you?

That PP chose to live in a suburban hell hole and now wants the County to prioritize him and his needs because he realizes his neighborhood sucks. The County is prioritizing resources to support compact growth and density. If he wants to enjoy those amenities then he needs to move and that’s the whole point.

Kenwood/Bethesda is a suburban hellhole? A mile and half from Strosnider's? Really?

Part of supporting compact growth and density is enabling people to reach it, by means other than driving in a car. For example, by bike!

If you choose to live at the intersection of 2 stroads, yeah, it is a suburban hell hole

Guess that makes downtown silver spring and downtown Bethesda suburban hellholes.

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Why did you choose to move to a neighborhood that doesn’t suit your stated needs? You have the choice to move to a neighborhood that provides the amenities you seek, but I suspect that you’re not willing to make the compromises to do so. You want urbanism? Move to a more urban area in the county.

Why are you so all in on the this is how things are and they will always be this way and they must never change bandwagon? "Bethesda, Love It Or Leave It"? That's not how things work. Change happens whether you want it to or not.

Bethesda is literally changing in front of your eyes! They are creating the urbanism you desires. They have a plan for it. You can either move to join in or stay in that deep suburban neighborhood that you chose for yourself and keep complaining.

I am not the PP who lives near River/Goldsborough, but calling it "deep suburban" seems a bit off for an area that is a 30 minute walk from downtown Bethesda - or would be, if Goldsborough had basic road features, e.g., sidewalks.

Meanwhile, if that PP chooses to advocate for other basic road features, e.g., decent bike facilities, what's it to you?

That PP chose to live in a suburban hell hole and now wants the County to prioritize him and his needs because he realizes his neighborhood sucks. The County is prioritizing resources to support compact growth and density. If he wants to enjoy those amenities then he needs to move and that’s the whole point.

Kenwood/Bethesda is a suburban hellhole? A mile and half from Strosnider's? Really?

Part of supporting compact growth and density is enabling people to reach it, by means other than driving in a car. For example, by bike!

If you choose to live at the intersection of 2 stroads, yeah, it is a suburban hell hole

Guess that makes downtown silver spring and downtown Bethesda suburban hellholes.

By standards of high quality urbanism, yes they are. Need more population density.

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Why did you choose to move to a neighborhood that doesn’t suit your stated needs? You have the choice to move to a neighborhood that provides the amenities you seek, but I suspect that you’re not willing to make the compromises to do so. You want urbanism? Move to a more urban area in the county.

Why are you so all in on the this is how things are and they will always be this way and they must never change bandwagon? "Bethesda, Love It Or Leave It"? That's not how things work. Change happens whether you want it to or not.

Bethesda is literally changing in front of your eyes! They are creating the urbanism you desires. They have a plan for it. You can either move to join in or stay in that deep suburban neighborhood that you chose for yourself and keep complaining.

I am not the PP who lives near River/Goldsborough, but calling it "deep suburban" seems a bit off for an area that is a 30 minute walk from downtown Bethesda - or would be, if Goldsborough had basic road features, e.g., sidewalks.

Meanwhile, if that PP chooses to advocate for other basic road features, e.g., decent bike facilities, what's it to you?

Average lot sizes in that are are 0.3-0.5 acres. There is no economic case for providing more and more costly services to people who chose car dependent lifestyles and the County cannot afford to do so. That PP decided to embark on a lifestyle that hurts the environment and promotes climate change. The PP is saying that they want to keep that lifestyle but also want us to pay for bike lanes? Absolutely not! The County needs to reduce the resources it expends on these rich people who have chosen to life these damaging lifestyles so that we can support a more equitable and sustainable future.

Yes, everybody knows how bike lanes merely enable car dependent lifestyles.

Having County tax payers pay for infrastructure in low population density areas is a losers game. People need to be responsible for their choices. You rich people want to bankrupt the County to serve your own personal interests. Thankfully, the County has decided that we are going to go in a different direction.

Someone send this graphic to the county council. I would love to pay $3,000 a year to live here.

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Why did you choose to move to a neighborhood that doesn’t suit your stated needs? You have the choice to move to a neighborhood that provides the amenities you seek, but I suspect that you’re not willing to make the compromises to do so. You want urbanism? Move to a more urban area in the county.

Why are you so all in on the this is how things are and they will always be this way and they must never change bandwagon? "Bethesda, Love It Or Leave It"? That's not how things work. Change happens whether you want it to or not.

Bethesda is literally changing in front of your eyes! They are creating the urbanism you desires. They have a plan for it. You can either move to join in or stay in that deep suburban neighborhood that you chose for yourself and keep complaining.

I am not the PP who lives near River/Goldsborough, but calling it "deep suburban" seems a bit off for an area that is a 30 minute walk from downtown Bethesda - or would be, if Goldsborough had basic road features, e.g., sidewalks.

Meanwhile, if that PP chooses to advocate for other basic road features, e.g., decent bike facilities, what's it to you?

That PP chose to live in a suburban hell hole and now wants the County to prioritize him and his needs because he realizes his neighborhood sucks. The County is prioritizing resources to support compact growth and density. If he wants to enjoy those amenities then he needs to move and that’s the whole point.

Kenwood/Bethesda is a suburban hellhole? A mile and half from Strosnider's? Really?

Part of supporting compact growth and density is enabling people to reach it, by means other than driving in a car. For example, by bike!

That’s not what compact growth means. It is not a mechanism for building more commercial areas for people to access from low density areas. It is not about connecting Poolesville to Montgomery Mall via bike lanes. Compact growth is about creating communities centered around transit where people can, live, work, shop and access entertainment in a dense, walkable environment without the need for cars. Connecting your low density sprawling suburban SFH commercial areas with bike lanes is not what compact growth and urbanism is about at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I am pp above. I was returning from Rockville, and started south on OGR from 355. Full of cars going nowhere. At 3:42.

Have you considered using a bike for some of your errands between Bethesda and Rockville? It's a very bikeable distance, the bike lanes are great, and you would avoid sitting in traffic.

I'm looking at Google Traffic right now, 5:00 pm, and Old Georgetown Road is mostly green, with just the regular back-ups at the traffic signals where you would expect there to be back-ups at 5:00 pm on a weekday. The 270 spur and the Inner Loop are solid red. Maybe the bike lanes caused that too.

I was on the road itself. Glad you checked Google traffic.

Nope. Are you a SAHM who can just bike here and there when you choose? And watch the traffic on um, google traffic?

Taking kid to the dentist. Then going grocery shopping further up the pike. Got several bags. Then picking up dry cleaning. So again, a big no.

And my office is many exits away on the beltway, so again, sorry no bikes those days either.

And why don't I live near my office, well let's see...spouse's office is up 270. Maybe we should just own a few homes so we can bike here and there from each one??
Oh, and each time we change jobs we don't want to move our house.

Fair enough???

It's possible to do all of these things on a bike, and in fact, people do do these things on a bike. People do those things on buses, too. You personally may choose not to do them on a bike or a bus, but it's a choice, not a necessity. If it takes you 10 minutes longer to do it in a car, you might re-evaluate your choice of transportation, or you might not - again, that's your choice. We all want to do things in the ways we consider the most convenient and comfortable for us. However, I don't think your desire to do those things in a car in 10 minutes less time, is more important than other people's desires to continue being alive and uninjured.

DP bike advocates really are scoring own goals with absurd comments like these

The reality is MoCo is a sprawling suburb that has been designed for people to use cars, so that is what people use. Adding a bike lane here or there will not change that fundamental reality.

It was designed for people to use cars, and now it's being redesigned for people to use other modes of transportation as well.

But yes, I agree with you, we need a network of bike lanes. You build a network one bike lane at a time. The Old Georgetown Road bike lanes are a great start.

Pro tip, if you want to not be insufferable, avoid unnecessary underlining.

The problem is not just the lack of bike lanes. It is the sheer distances people need to travel. You are not going to vastly increase use of bikes with a bike network no matter how much underlining you use.

Half of all daily trips in 2021 were less than 3 miles.
https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1230-march-21-2022-more-half-all-daily-trips-were-less-three-miles-2021

DP. I don’t see where that says Montgomery County. So its not relevant and the PPs point still holds.

Why would this national data not apply to Montgomery County? Is there something totally exceptional about Montgomery County, whereby every time you get in a car, you drive 20 miles?

You have presented data about the whole country and then trying to say that it also applies specifically to Montgomery County. Do you know how averages work?

Is there a reason it wouldn't apply to Montgomery County?

You have presented this so you have to justify it. And you also clearly don’t know how averages work, which is hilarious.

Oh, it's the Eradicator posting again.

DP. I am not sure what “the Eradictor” is but I am not sure what is unfair about requesting people to substantiate their statements. If you think Montgomery County is reflective of the United States as a whole, can you prove it?

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Why did you choose to move to a neighborhood that doesn’t suit your stated needs? You have the choice to move to a neighborhood that provides the amenities you seek, but I suspect that you’re not willing to make the compromises to do so. You want urbanism? Move to a more urban area in the county.

Why are you so all in on the this is how things are and they will always be this way and they must never change bandwagon? "Bethesda, Love It Or Leave It"? That's not how things work. Change happens whether you want it to or not.

Bethesda is literally changing in front of your eyes! They are creating the urbanism you desires. They have a plan for it. You can either move to join in or stay in that deep suburban neighborhood that you chose for yourself and keep complaining.

I am not the PP who lives near River/Goldsborough, but calling it "deep suburban" seems a bit off for an area that is a 30 minute walk from downtown Bethesda - or would be, if Goldsborough had basic road features, e.g., sidewalks.

Meanwhile, if that PP chooses to advocate for other basic road features, e.g., decent bike facilities, what's it to you?

That PP chose to live in a suburban hell hole and now wants the County to prioritize him and his needs because he realizes his neighborhood sucks. The County is prioritizing resources to support compact growth and density. If he wants to enjoy those amenities then he needs to move and that’s the whole point.

Kenwood/Bethesda is a suburban hellhole? A mile and half from Strosnider's? Really?

Part of supporting compact growth and density is enabling people to reach it, by means other than driving in a car. For example, by bike!

That’s not what compact growth means. It is not a mechanism for building more commercial areas for people to access from low density areas. It is not about connecting Poolesville to Montgomery Mall via bike lanes. Compact growth is about creating communities centered around transit where people can, live, work, shop and access entertainment in a dense, walkable environment without the need for cars. Connecting your low density sprawling suburban SFH commercial areas with bike lanes is not what compact growth and urbanism is about at all.

On the other hand, connecting a suburban area to an urban area that is within easy (2 miles) biking distance, thereby making it easier for people to work, shop, and access entertainment in the urban area without the need for cars, actually is part of what compact growth and urbanism is about.

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Why did you choose to move to a neighborhood that doesn’t suit your stated needs? You have the choice to move to a neighborhood that provides the amenities you seek, but I suspect that you’re not willing to make the compromises to do so. You want urbanism? Move to a more urban area in the county.

Why are you so all in on the this is how things are and they will always be this way and they must never change bandwagon? "Bethesda, Love It Or Leave It"? That's not how things work. Change happens whether you want it to or not.

Bethesda is literally changing in front of your eyes! They are creating the urbanism you desires. They have a plan for it. You can either move to join in or stay in that deep suburban neighborhood that you chose for yourself and keep complaining.

I am not the PP who lives near River/Goldsborough, but calling it "deep suburban" seems a bit off for an area that is a 30 minute walk from downtown Bethesda - or would be, if Goldsborough had basic road features, e.g., sidewalks.

Meanwhile, if that PP chooses to advocate for other basic road features, e.g., decent bike facilities, what's it to you?

That PP chose to live in a suburban hell hole and now wants the County to prioritize him and his needs because he realizes his neighborhood sucks. The County is prioritizing resources to support compact growth and density. If he wants to enjoy those amenities then he needs to move and that’s the whole point.

Kenwood/Bethesda is a suburban hellhole? A mile and half from Strosnider's? Really?

Part of supporting compact growth and density is enabling people to reach it, by means other than driving in a car. For example, by bike!

If you choose to live at the intersection of 2 stroads, yeah, it is a suburban hell hole

Guess that makes downtown silver spring and downtown Bethesda suburban hellholes.

And Georgetown. And Truxton Circle/Eckington/Bloomingdale. And Tribeca.

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Anonymous wrote:I am pp above. I was returning from Rockville, and started south on OGR from 355. Full of cars going nowhere. At 3:42.

Have you considered using a bike for some of your errands between Bethesda and Rockville? It's a very bikeable distance, the bike lanes are great, and you would avoid sitting in traffic.

I'm looking at Google Traffic right now, 5:00 pm, and Old Georgetown Road is mostly green, with just the regular back-ups at the traffic signals where you would expect there to be back-ups at 5:00 pm on a weekday. The 270 spur and the Inner Loop are solid red. Maybe the bike lanes caused that too.

I was on the road itself. Glad you checked Google traffic.

Nope. Are you a SAHM who can just bike here and there when you choose? And watch the traffic on um, google traffic?

Taking kid to the dentist. Then going grocery shopping further up the pike. Got several bags. Then picking up dry cleaning. So again, a big no.

And my office is many exits away on the beltway, so again, sorry no bikes those days either.

And why don't I live near my office, well let's see...spouse's office is up 270. Maybe we should just own a few homes so we can bike here and there from each one??
Oh, and each time we change jobs we don't want to move our house.

Fair enough???

It's possible to do all of these things on a bike, and in fact, people do do these things on a bike. People do those things on buses, too. You personally may choose not to do them on a bike or a bus, but it's a choice, not a necessity. If it takes you 10 minutes longer to do it in a car, you might re-evaluate your choice of transportation, or you might not - again, that's your choice. We all want to do things in the ways we consider the most convenient and comfortable for us. However, I don't think your desire to do those things in a car in 10 minutes less time, is more important than other people's desires to continue being alive and uninjured.

DP bike advocates really are scoring own goals with absurd comments like these

The reality is MoCo is a sprawling suburb that has been designed for people to use cars, so that is what people use. Adding a bike lane here or there will not change that fundamental reality.

It was designed for people to use cars, and now it's being redesigned for people to use other modes of transportation as well.

But yes, I agree with you, we need a network of bike lanes. You build a network one bike lane at a time. The Old Georgetown Road bike lanes are a great start.

Pro tip, if you want to not be insufferable, avoid unnecessary underlining.

The problem is not just the lack of bike lanes. It is the sheer distances people need to travel. You are not going to vastly increase use of bikes with a bike network no matter how much underlining you use.

Half of all daily trips in 2021 were less than 3 miles.
https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1230-march-21-2022-more-half-all-daily-trips-were-less-three-miles-2021

DP. I don’t see where that says Montgomery County. So its not relevant and the PPs point still holds.

Why would this national data not apply to Montgomery County? Is there something totally exceptional about Montgomery County, whereby every time you get in a car, you drive 20 miles?

You have presented data about the whole country and then trying to say that it also applies specifically to Montgomery County. Do you know how averages work?

Is there a reason it wouldn't apply to Montgomery County?

I am the pp mentioning the issue of sprawl. You sound batsh&t insane. Not only is this data national, it also includes all modes of transportation, including walking. When distances are small, a lot of people in MoCo already walk. All the ES kids in on my block walk the 0.5 mile to school. If a parent is waking their K kids to school that is four trips per day.

But many distances are quite long. Once you get past three miles, which is very, very easy in MoCo, it really does take a long time to get to your destination in anything but a car. It is not productive to screech at people for making the choice that halves (or better) their travel time. I mean keep doing it but it won't get your insufferable ass more bike lanes.

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Anonymous wrote:I am pp above. I was returning from Rockville, and started south on OGR from 355. Full of cars going nowhere. At 3:42.

Have you considered using a bike for some of your errands between Bethesda and Rockville? It's a very bikeable distance, the bike lanes are great, and you would avoid sitting in traffic.

I'm looking at Google Traffic right now, 5:00 pm, and Old Georgetown Road is mostly green, with just the regular back-ups at the traffic signals where you would expect there to be back-ups at 5:00 pm on a weekday. The 270 spur and the Inner Loop are solid red. Maybe the bike lanes caused that too.

I was on the road itself. Glad you checked Google traffic.

Nope. Are you a SAHM who can just bike here and there when you choose? And watch the traffic on um, google traffic?

Taking kid to the dentist. Then going grocery shopping further up the pike. Got several bags. Then picking up dry cleaning. So again, a big no.

And my office is many exits away on the beltway, so again, sorry no bikes those days either.

And why don't I live near my office, well let's see...spouse's office is up 270. Maybe we should just own a few homes so we can bike here and there from each one??
Oh, and each time we change jobs we don't want to move our house.

Fair enough???

It's possible to do all of these things on a bike, and in fact, people do do these things on a bike. People do those things on buses, too. You personally may choose not to do them on a bike or a bus, but it's a choice, not a necessity. If it takes you 10 minutes longer to do it in a car, you might re-evaluate your choice of transportation, or you might not - again, that's your choice. We all want to do things in the ways we consider the most convenient and comfortable for us. However, I don't think your desire to do those things in a car in 10 minutes less time, is more important than other people's desires to continue being alive and uninjured.

DP bike advocates really are scoring own goals with absurd comments like these

The reality is MoCo is a sprawling suburb that has been designed for people to use cars, so that is what people use. Adding a bike lane here or there will not change that fundamental reality.

It was designed for people to use cars, and now it's being redesigned for people to use other modes of transportation as well.

But yes, I agree with you, we need a network of bike lanes. You build a network one bike lane at a time. The Old Georgetown Road bike lanes are a great start.

Pro tip, if you want to not be insufferable, avoid unnecessary underlining.

The problem is not just the lack of bike lanes. It is the sheer distances people need to travel. You are not going to vastly increase use of bikes with a bike network no matter how much underlining you use.

Half of all daily trips in 2021 were less than 3 miles.
https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1230-march-21-2022-more-half-all-daily-trips-were-less-three-miles-2021

DP. I don’t see where that says Montgomery County. So its not relevant and the PPs point still holds.

Why would this national data not apply to Montgomery County? Is there something totally exceptional about Montgomery County, whereby every time you get in a car, you drive 20 miles?

You have presented data about the whole country and then trying to say that it also applies specifically to Montgomery County. Do you know how averages work?

Is there a reason it wouldn't apply to Montgomery County?

I am the pp mentioning the issue of sprawl. You sound batsh&t insane. Not only is this data national, it also includes all modes of transportation, including walking. When distances are small, a lot of people in MoCo already walk. All the ES kids in on my block walk the 0.5 mile to school. If a parent is waking their K kids to school that is four trips per day.

But many distances are quite long. Once you get past three miles, which is very, very easy in MoCo, it really does take a long time to get to your destination in anything but a car. It is not productive to screech at people for making the choice that halves (or better) their travel time. I mean keep doing it but it won't get your insufferable ass more bike lanes.

Quite so. For example, the average bicycling speed is 12 mph, compared to the average walking speed of 3 mph. It is not productive to force people to make travel choices that make their travel time four times as long.

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Anonymous wrote:I am pp above. I was returning from Rockville, and started south on OGR from 355. Full of cars going nowhere. At 3:42.

Have you considered using a bike for some of your errands between Bethesda and Rockville? It's a very bikeable distance, the bike lanes are great, and you would avoid sitting in traffic.

I'm looking at Google Traffic right now, 5:00 pm, and Old Georgetown Road is mostly green, with just the regular back-ups at the traffic signals where you would expect there to be back-ups at 5:00 pm on a weekday. The 270 spur and the Inner Loop are solid red. Maybe the bike lanes caused that too.

I was on the road itself. Glad you checked Google traffic.

Nope. Are you a SAHM who can just bike here and there when you choose? And watch the traffic on um, google traffic?

Taking kid to the dentist. Then going grocery shopping further up the pike. Got several bags. Then picking up dry cleaning. So again, a big no.

And my office is many exits away on the beltway, so again, sorry no bikes those days either.

And why don't I live near my office, well let's see...spouse's office is up 270. Maybe we should just own a few homes so we can bike here and there from each one??
Oh, and each time we change jobs we don't want to move our house.

Fair enough???

It's possible to do all of these things on a bike, and in fact, people do do these things on a bike. People do those things on buses, too. You personally may choose not to do them on a bike or a bus, but it's a choice, not a necessity. If it takes you 10 minutes longer to do it in a car, you might re-evaluate your choice of transportation, or you might not - again, that's your choice. We all want to do things in the ways we consider the most convenient and comfortable for us. However, I don't think your desire to do those things in a car in 10 minutes less time, is more important than other people's desires to continue being alive and uninjured.

DP bike advocates really are scoring own goals with absurd comments like these

The reality is MoCo is a sprawling suburb that has been designed for people to use cars, so that is what people use. Adding a bike lane here or there will not change that fundamental reality.

It was designed for people to use cars, and now it's being redesigned for people to use other modes of transportation as well.

But yes, I agree with you, we need a network of bike lanes. You build a network one bike lane at a time. The Old Georgetown Road bike lanes are a great start.

Pro tip, if you want to not be insufferable, avoid unnecessary underlining.

The problem is not just the lack of bike lanes. It is the sheer distances people need to travel. You are not going to vastly increase use of bikes with a bike network no matter how much underlining you use.

Half of all daily trips in 2021 were less than 3 miles.
https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1230-march-21-2022-more-half-all-daily-trips-were-less-three-miles-2021

DP. I don’t see where that says Montgomery County. So its not relevant and the PPs point still holds.

Why would this national data not apply to Montgomery County? Is there something totally exceptional about Montgomery County, whereby every time you get in a car, you drive 20 miles?

You have presented data about the whole country and then trying to say that it also applies specifically to Montgomery County. Do you know how averages work?

Is there a reason it wouldn't apply to Montgomery County?

I am the pp mentioning the issue of sprawl. You sound batsh&t insane. Not only is this data national, it also includes all modes of transportation, including walking. When distances are small, a lot of people in MoCo already walk. All the ES kids in on my block walk the 0.5 mile to school. If a parent is waking their K kids to school that is four trips per day.

But many distances are quite long. Once you get past three miles, which is very, very easy in MoCo, it really does take a long time to get to your destination in anything but a car. It is not productive to screech at people for making the choice that halves (or better) their travel time. I mean keep doing it but it won't get your insufferable ass more bike lanes.

Good post. Unfortunately the PP prefers non sequiturs and insults.

It is weird to me why cycling advocates behave like this. Grown adults.

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Anonymous wrote:I am pp above. I was returning from Rockville, and started south on OGR from 355. Full of cars going nowhere. At 3:42.

Have you considered using a bike for some of your errands between Bethesda and Rockville? It's a very bikeable distance, the bike lanes are great, and you would avoid sitting in traffic.

I'm looking at Google Traffic right now, 5:00 pm, and Old Georgetown Road is mostly green, with just the regular back-ups at the traffic signals where you would expect there to be back-ups at 5:00 pm on a weekday. The 270 spur and the Inner Loop are solid red. Maybe the bike lanes caused that too.

I was on the road itself. Glad you checked Google traffic.

Nope. Are you a SAHM who can just bike here and there when you choose? And watch the traffic on um, google traffic?

Taking kid to the dentist. Then going grocery shopping further up the pike. Got several bags. Then picking up dry cleaning. So again, a big no.

And my office is many exits away on the beltway, so again, sorry no bikes those days either.

And why don't I live near my office, well let's see...spouse's office is up 270. Maybe we should just own a few homes so we can bike here and there from each one??
Oh, and each time we change jobs we don't want to move our house.

Fair enough???

It's possible to do all of these things on a bike, and in fact, people do do these things on a bike. People do those things on buses, too. You personally may choose not to do them on a bike or a bus, but it's a choice, not a necessity. If it takes you 10 minutes longer to do it in a car, you might re-evaluate your choice of transportation, or you might not - again, that's your choice. We all want to do things in the ways we consider the most convenient and comfortable for us. However, I don't think your desire to do those things in a car in 10 minutes less time, is more important than other people's desires to continue being alive and uninjured.

DP bike advocates really are scoring own goals with absurd comments like these

The reality is MoCo is a sprawling suburb that has been designed for people to use cars, so that is what people use. Adding a bike lane here or there will not change that fundamental reality.

It was designed for people to use cars, and now it's being redesigned for people to use other modes of transportation as well.

But yes, I agree with you, we need a network of bike lanes. You build a network one bike lane at a time. The Old Georgetown Road bike lanes are a great start.

Pro tip, if you want to not be insufferable, avoid unnecessary underlining.

The problem is not just the lack of bike lanes. It is the sheer distances people need to travel. You are not going to vastly increase use of bikes with a bike network no matter how much underlining you use.

Half of all daily trips in 2021 were less than 3 miles.
https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1230-march-21-2022-more-half-all-daily-trips-were-less-three-miles-2021

DP. I don’t see where that says Montgomery County. So its not relevant and the PPs point still holds.

Why would this national data not apply to Montgomery County? Is there something totally exceptional about Montgomery County, whereby every time you get in a car, you drive 20 miles?

You have presented data about the whole country and then trying to say that it also applies specifically to Montgomery County. Do you know how averages work?

Is there a reason it wouldn't apply to Montgomery County?

I am the pp mentioning the issue of sprawl. You sound batsh&t insane. Not only is this data national, it also includes all modes of transportation, including walking. When distances are small, a lot of people in MoCo already walk. All the ES kids in on my block walk the 0.5 mile to school. If a parent is waking their K kids to school that is four trips per day.

But many distances are quite long. Once you get past three miles, which is very, very easy in MoCo, it really does take a long time to get to your destination in anything but a car. It is not productive to screech at people for making the choice that halves (or better) their travel time. I mean keep doing it but it won't get your insufferable ass more bike lanes.

Quite so. For example, the average bicycling speed is 12 mph, compared to the average walking speed of 3 mph. It is not productive to force people to make travel choices that make their travel time four times as long.

So your data is nonsense and you refuse to defend whatever point your were previously trying to make so now you have moved on to some other irrelevant nonsense. What is your point or your goal? If it is to insufferable and make people less inclined to support your cause I can tell you that its working.

[Anonymous]

I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood near an elementary school where almost everybody is supposed to be walkers, except a few houses that are over a mile away, and a small neighborhood that's across a big road. Every day at arrival and dismissal, it's car chaos in the neighborhood. Parents driving like maniacs, parking all over the place, backing up onto neighborhood roads. One of the reasons parents give for driving their kids instead of walking is that walking takes too long. I would love to have 600 bikes instead of 300 cars, twice a day. The worst thing is that there even are parents who would bike, but they're afraid to, because of all of the cars.

Sounds like the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Rd didn't help 😔

I'm the PP. I don't live in Bethesda. I live in a different part of Montgomery County, where we also need bike lanes.