Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They keep using the cheesy term ‘evil doers’. It’s like a cheap movie. Who speaks like this? As if this alleged Mormon shooter was the first person to ever kill anyone in the US.

Someone has never attended an evangelical Christian church, clearly - very focused on the text above all else.

Psalm 5 ►
English Standard Version Par ▾
Lead Me in Your Righteousness

To the choirmaster: for the flutes. A Psalm of David.

1Give ear to my words, O LORD;
consider my groaning.
2Give attention to the sound of my cry,
my King and my God,
for to you do I pray.
3O LORD, in the morning you hear my voice;
in the morning I prepare a sacrifice for youa and watch.

4For you are not a God who delights in wickedness;
evil may not dwell with you.
5The boastful shall not stand before your eyes;
you hate all evildoers.
6You destroy those who speak lies;
the LORD abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.

7But I, through the abundance of your steadfast love,
will enter your house.
I will bow down toward your holy temple
in the fear of you.
8Lead me, O LORD, in your righteousness
because of my enemies;
make your way straight before me.

9For there is no truth in their mouth;
their inmost self is destruction;
their throat is an open grave;
they flatter with their tongue.
10Make them bear their guilt, O God;
let them fall by their own counsels;
because of the abundance of their transgressions cast them out,
for they have rebelled against you.

11But let all who take refuge in you rejoice;
let them ever sing for joy,
and spread your protection over them,
that those who love your name may exult in you.
12For you bless the righteous, O LORD;
you cover him with favor as with a shield.

Poster are you Christian or do you have any history of exposure to the Christian Bible?

The word "evildoers" (or the phrase "evil-doers") appears at least 53 times in the Bible across various translations, including 46 times in the KJV New Testament. Specifically, the term appears 46 times in the New Testament and the word "evildoer" appears in various forms multiple times in the Old Testament.

Many of the people who surrounded Charlie, including his wife, are not evangelical Christians.

Is Andrew Kolvet Evangelical? Because he uses the ‘evil doers’ phrase.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stating how a murdered victim died is not a HIPAA violation.

Name the surgeon. Oh that’s right, he didn’t. This Jewish “best friend” / podcast producer is not even family, so why would a “surgeon” ever even be talking to him?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They keep using the cheesy term ‘evil doers’. It’s like a cheap movie. Who speaks like this? As if this alleged Mormon shooter was the first person to ever kill anyone in the US.

Someone has never attended an evangelical Christian church, clearly - very focused on the text above all else.

Psalm 5 ►
English Standard Version Par ▾
Lead Me in Your Righteousness

To the choirmaster: for the flutes. A Psalm of David.

1Give ear to my words, O LORD;
consider my groaning.
2Give attention to the sound of my cry,
my King and my God,
for to you do I pray.
3O LORD, in the morning you hear my voice;
in the morning I prepare a sacrifice for youa and watch.

4For you are not a God who delights in wickedness;
evil may not dwell with you.
5The boastful shall not stand before your eyes;
you hate all evildoers.
6You destroy those who speak lies;
the LORD abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.

7But I, through the abundance of your steadfast love,
will enter your house.
I will bow down toward your holy temple
in the fear of you.
8Lead me, O LORD, in your righteousness
because of my enemies;
make your way straight before me.

9For there is no truth in their mouth;
their inmost self is destruction;
their throat is an open grave;
they flatter with their tongue.
10Make them bear their guilt, O God;
let them fall by their own counsels;
because of the abundance of their transgressions cast them out,
for they have rebelled against you.

11But let all who take refuge in you rejoice;
let them ever sing for joy,
and spread your protection over them,
that those who love your name may exult in you.
12For you bless the righteous, O LORD;
you cover him with favor as with a shield.

Poster are you Christian or do you have any history of exposure to the Christian Bible?

The word "evildoers" (or the phrase "evil-doers") appears at least 53 times in the Bible across various translations, including 46 times in the KJV New Testament. Specifically, the term appears 46 times in the New Testament and the word "evildoer" appears in various forms multiple times in the Old Testament.

Many of the people who surrounded Charlie, including his wife, are not evangelical Christians.

Is Andrew Kolvet Evangelical? Because he uses the ‘evil doers’ phrase.

Ethnic Jew who claims to have recently converted to Catholicism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They keep using the cheesy term ‘evil doers’. It’s like a cheap movie. Who speaks like this? As if this alleged Mormon shooter was the first person to ever kill anyone in the US.

Someone has never attended an evangelical Christian church, clearly - very focused on the text above all else.

Psalm 5 ►
English Standard Version Par ▾
Lead Me in Your Righteousness

To the choirmaster: for the flutes. A Psalm of David.

1Give ear to my words, O LORD;
consider my groaning.
2Give attention to the sound of my cry,
my King and my God,
for to you do I pray.
3O LORD, in the morning you hear my voice;
in the morning I prepare a sacrifice for youa and watch.

4For you are not a God who delights in wickedness;
evil may not dwell with you.
5The boastful shall not stand before your eyes;
you hate all evildoers.
6You destroy those who speak lies;
the LORD abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.

7But I, through the abundance of your steadfast love,
will enter your house.
I will bow down toward your holy temple
in the fear of you.
8Lead me, O LORD, in your righteousness
because of my enemies;
make your way straight before me.

9For there is no truth in their mouth;
their inmost self is destruction;
their throat is an open grave;
they flatter with their tongue.
10Make them bear their guilt, O God;
let them fall by their own counsels;
because of the abundance of their transgressions cast them out,
for they have rebelled against you.

11But let all who take refuge in you rejoice;
let them ever sing for joy,
and spread your protection over them,
that those who love your name may exult in you.
12For you bless the righteous, O LORD;
you cover him with favor as with a shield.

Poster are you Christian or do you have any history of exposure to the Christian Bible?

The word "evildoers" (or the phrase "evil-doers") appears at least 53 times in the Bible across various translations, including 46 times in the KJV New Testament. Specifically, the term appears 46 times in the New Testament and the word "evildoer" appears in various forms multiple times in the Old Testament.

Many of the people who surrounded Charlie, including his wife, are not evangelical Christians.

Evangelical, conservative Catholic, progressive Episcopalian - we all read the same foundational text where the phrase evildoer appears dozens of times.

Face it, you lose this point. Be grown up enough to acknowledge it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stating how a murdered victim died is not a HIPAA violation.

Name the surgeon. Oh that’s right, he didn’t. This Jewish “best friend” / podcast producer is not even family, so why would a “surgeon” ever even be talking to him?

They wouldn’t be talking to him without him being appointed POA. Additionally, this was a very public assassination where we clearly see, or think we see, Charlie being shot in the carotid. It wouldn’t be a HIPAA violation for a surgeon to address this and confirm death to the public.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They keep using the cheesy term ‘evil doers’. It’s like a cheap movie. Who speaks like this? As if this alleged Mormon shooter was the first person to ever kill anyone in the US.

Someone has never attended an evangelical Christian church, clearly - very focused on the text above all else.

Psalm 5 ►
English Standard Version Par ▾
Lead Me in Your Righteousness

To the choirmaster: for the flutes. A Psalm of David.

1Give ear to my words, O LORD;
consider my groaning.
2Give attention to the sound of my cry,
my King and my God,
for to you do I pray.
3O LORD, in the morning you hear my voice;
in the morning I prepare a sacrifice for youa and watch.

4For you are not a God who delights in wickedness;
evil may not dwell with you.
5The boastful shall not stand before your eyes;
you hate all evildoers.
6You destroy those who speak lies;
the LORD abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.

7But I, through the abundance of your steadfast love,
will enter your house.
I will bow down toward your holy temple
in the fear of you.
8Lead me, O LORD, in your righteousness
because of my enemies;
make your way straight before me.

9For there is no truth in their mouth;
their inmost self is destruction;
their throat is an open grave;
they flatter with their tongue.
10Make them bear their guilt, O God;
let them fall by their own counsels;
because of the abundance of their transgressions cast them out,
for they have rebelled against you.

11But let all who take refuge in you rejoice;
let them ever sing for joy,
and spread your protection over them,
that those who love your name may exult in you.
12For you bless the righteous, O LORD;
you cover him with favor as with a shield.

Poster are you Christian or do you have any history of exposure to the Christian Bible?

The word "evildoers" (or the phrase "evil-doers") appears at least 53 times in the Bible across various translations, including 46 times in the KJV New Testament. Specifically, the term appears 46 times in the New Testament and the word "evildoer" appears in various forms multiple times in the Old Testament.

Many of the people who surrounded Charlie, including his wife, are not evangelical Christians.

Is Andrew Kolvet Evangelical? Because he uses the ‘evil doers’ phrase.

Ethnic Jew who claims to have recently converted to Catholicism.

Sure because so many jews convert to Christianity. Happens constantly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They keep using the cheesy term ‘evil doers’. It’s like a cheap movie. Who speaks like this? As if this alleged Mormon shooter was the first person to ever kill anyone in the US.

Someone has never attended an evangelical Christian church, clearly - very focused on the text above all else.

Psalm 5 ►
English Standard Version Par ▾
Lead Me in Your Righteousness

To the choirmaster: for the flutes. A Psalm of David.

1Give ear to my words, O LORD;
consider my groaning.
2Give attention to the sound of my cry,
my King and my God,
for to you do I pray.
3O LORD, in the morning you hear my voice;
in the morning I prepare a sacrifice for youa and watch.

4For you are not a God who delights in wickedness;
evil may not dwell with you.
5The boastful shall not stand before your eyes;
you hate all evildoers.
6You destroy those who speak lies;
the LORD abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.

7But I, through the abundance of your steadfast love,
will enter your house.
I will bow down toward your holy temple
in the fear of you.
8Lead me, O LORD, in your righteousness
because of my enemies;
make your way straight before me.

9For there is no truth in their mouth;
their inmost self is destruction;
their throat is an open grave;
they flatter with their tongue.
10Make them bear their guilt, O God;
let them fall by their own counsels;
because of the abundance of their transgressions cast them out,
for they have rebelled against you.

11But let all who take refuge in you rejoice;
let them ever sing for joy,
and spread your protection over them,
that those who love your name may exult in you.
12For you bless the righteous, O LORD;
you cover him with favor as with a shield.

Poster are you Christian or do you have any history of exposure to the Christian Bible?

The word "evildoers" (or the phrase "evil-doers") appears at least 53 times in the Bible across various translations, including 46 times in the KJV New Testament. Specifically, the term appears 46 times in the New Testament and the word "evildoer" appears in various forms multiple times in the Old Testament.

Many of the people who surrounded Charlie, including his wife, are not evangelical Christians.

Is Andrew Kolvet Evangelical? Because he uses the ‘evil doers’ phrase.

Ethnic Jew who claims to have recently converted to Catholicism.

Sure because so many jews convert to Christianity. Happens constantly.

What it with people who snark without bothering to do even the slightest bit of research?

There is no single, definitive number for Jews who convert to Christianity, but available data indicates that in the US, approximately 1.6 million adult Americans of Jewish background identify as Christian, with the majority being Protestant and raised as Jewish or of Jewish ancestry. Historically, conversions were significant in 19th-century Europe, with tens of thousands converting annually, but the trend of conversion from Judaism to Christianity is more pronounced in the United States.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They keep using the cheesy term ‘evil doers’. It’s like a cheap movie. Who speaks like this? As if this alleged Mormon shooter was the first person to ever kill anyone in the US.

Someone has never attended an evangelical Christian church, clearly - very focused on the text above all else.

Psalm 5 ►
English Standard Version Par ▾
Lead Me in Your Righteousness

To the choirmaster: for the flutes. A Psalm of David.

1Give ear to my words, O LORD;
consider my groaning.
2Give attention to the sound of my cry,
my King and my God,
for to you do I pray.
3O LORD, in the morning you hear my voice;
in the morning I prepare a sacrifice for youa and watch.

4For you are not a God who delights in wickedness;
evil may not dwell with you.
5The boastful shall not stand before your eyes;
you hate all evildoers.
6You destroy those who speak lies;
the LORD abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.

7But I, through the abundance of your steadfast love,
will enter your house.
I will bow down toward your holy temple
in the fear of you.
8Lead me, O LORD, in your righteousness
because of my enemies;
make your way straight before me.

9For there is no truth in their mouth;
their inmost self is destruction;
their throat is an open grave;
they flatter with their tongue.
10Make them bear their guilt, O God;
let them fall by their own counsels;
because of the abundance of their transgressions cast them out,
for they have rebelled against you.

11But let all who take refuge in you rejoice;
let them ever sing for joy,
and spread your protection over them,
that those who love your name may exult in you.
12For you bless the righteous, O LORD;
you cover him with favor as with a shield.

Poster are you Christian or do you have any history of exposure to the Christian Bible?

The word "evildoers" (or the phrase "evil-doers") appears at least 53 times in the Bible across various translations, including 46 times in the KJV New Testament. Specifically, the term appears 46 times in the New Testament and the word "evildoer" appears in various forms multiple times in the Old Testament.

Many of the people who surrounded Charlie, including his wife, are not evangelical Christians.

Is Andrew Kolvet Evangelical? Because he uses the ‘evil doers’ phrase.

Ethnic Jew who claims to have recently converted to Catholicism.

Sure because so many jews convert to Christianity. Happens constantly.

What it with people who snark without bothering to do even the slightest bit of research?

There is no single, definitive number for Jews who convert to Christianity, but available data indicates that in the US, approximately 1.6 million adult Americans of Jewish background identify as Christian, with the majority being Protestant and raised as Jewish or of Jewish ancestry. Historically, conversions were significant in 19th-century Europe, with tens of thousands converting annually, but the trend of conversion from Judaism to Christianity is more pronounced in the United States.

You are correct, there are probably thousands of former jews now worshipping in Evangelical churches, Baptist churches, Catholic churches, Mormon Churches. Many are becoming clergy members, ministers, nuns even. They eschewed their jewish traditions and have finally seen the light.

[Anonymous]

Erika has fake teeth, fake hair, fake eyelashes, fake nails, fake tears, fake bio…

[Anonymous]

Why wasn't there an autopsy?

[Anonymous]

Was there really no intimate church service? Is there really no burial site? Wtf.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ya'all gotta stop with the name calling. This N@$I and F@sci5st thing has got to stop. It's pretty offensive to a lot of Americans that just abide by the law, have served the country, trying to raise a family safely and are kind to their fellow man.

No one is calling "Americans that just abide by the law, have served the country, trying to raise a family safely and are kind to their fellow man" anything. We are calling "Americans that imitate the Gestapo, spew hatred, and have a taste for cruelty" Nazis and fascists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yes, Elisabeth Kübler-Ross's perspective on the stages of grief evolved; she later acknowledged she identified more stages than the commonly known five, included the idea that these stages are not linear, and also applied her model to the non-dying process of change and loss. Her later work emphasized that the stages are not a rigid, prescriptive, or sequential pathway but a set of flexible guidelines for individuals to understand their emotional experiences during grief and loss.

As anyone who has loved and lost and thus began the lifelong journey of grief knows, it is not a linear process and it never ends.

Listen, I am a very liberal person who believes in the true teaching of Christ, and thus I have no respect for the worldview of Charlie or Erika Kirk.

But I am getting very sick of the attacks on her grieving process from people on this board and elsewhere in the social media universe.

Erika Kirk is motivated undoubtedly by her own conservative worldview and her desire to continue building the empire her husband had spent a decade or more building, including not only building political influence but also financial wealth - but also she is finding comfort in being surrounded by his people, his legacy, his work.

The notion that the only proper way to grieve is to melt into a puddle and sit home crying rivers of tears into endless hankies is just ridiculous and also incredibly condescending. Would critics like this woman and the many here bring the same criticisms to women like Hattie Caraway? Margaret Chase Smith? Doris Matsui? Debbie Dingell? Marie Curie? Laurene Jobs? The list of women who inherited their husband's legacies and continued their work is long and storied.

Work is a generally noble distraction from what could become self-indulgent and toxic wallowing in grief. Many people here and out there just hated Charlie and now they hate Erika, too. However those same people, had Barack Obama been assassinated, would have celebrated with great joy if Michelle Obama chose to take up his mantle and continue his work.

Just stop already with the character assassination of this widow, it's truly disgusting.

For the record, I haven't touched whether she is grieving properly or improperly so you aren't addressing me. None of us knows what kind of relationships any public figures have and frankly I am not even a little interested in finding out.

HOWEVER, there is nothing wrong with critiquing someone who is speaking publicly. If she has taken over his role and is on shows, she doesn't get a free pass because she was recently widowed.

Most people's "character assassination" has nothing to do with how she is grieving and everything to do with her divisive, incendiary words and the hypocrisy of someone who has publicly called for women to stay home and take on traditional roles deciding that her rules are for others and not herself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The framing of this all seems so amateurish. Sure the AI videos are sort of believable at first, but come on. Watch Erika’s and Stephen Miller’s speeches in particular. These speeches were created by the same person. I’m not sure if Miller’s speech was AI but wouldn’t be surprised. Erika’s campy widow battlecry speech was absurd and clearly AI.

I am so confused about the "it's all AI" line of thought. Are you all saying that that the thousands of people who all attended the memorial are all lying about what they say and heard? Maybe I am not understanding the argument.