Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Read the gothard document on dealing with sexual abuse - #4 is the blaming the victim part.

We have every reason to believe this was the way these children were counseled.

Is "every reason to believe" the same as you saw it posted on Facebook? You don't know how they were counseled.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we all just agree that no matter how conservative or liberal one is, that this situation of sibling molestation is a nightmare scenario and situation that you would not wish on anyone?

Very true.

Conservatives are still hateful jerks though.

Never met a conservative that was hateful, but have met countless angry, hate filled, foaming at the mouth, snarling, unintelligible liberals.

Oh, pumpkin. You can visit millions of homes of conservatives and see anger, hate, spittle and foam, snarling and not only unintelligibility but irrationality. I do not know why it bothers you so much that lots of people have actual, legitimate issues with the misogynist, homophobic, pseudo-Christian (if you think Jesus would have lived what they live, even before this terrible news, you and I must use different Bibles), and anti-intellectual family. Oh, my apologies for "snarling" and "foaming at the mouth." Molestation really bothers me. You feel differently, evidently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we all just agree that no matter how conservative or liberal one is, that this situation of sibling molestation is a nightmare scenario and situation that you would not wish on anyone?

Very true.

Conservatives are still hateful jerks though.

Never met a conservative that was hateful, but have met countless angry, hate filled, foaming at the mouth, snarling, unintelligible liberals.

LOL April Fool's was nearly 2 months ago, but great one! At least you didn't pull the "hate the sin, love the sinner" crap though, so kudos!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Read the gothard document on dealing with sexual abuse - #4 is the blaming the victim part.

We have every reason to believe this was the way these children were counseled.

Is "every reason to believe" the same as you saw it posted on Facebook? You don't know how they were counseled.

If you'd like to see the document that blames the victim from the Gothard guy's group, the guy who the Duggars follow, you can see it here. https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2015/05/23/gothards-ati-and-the-duggar-familys-secrets/ Do we know this is the "counseling" they got? No. Is it a pretty good guess that it was this or something like that? Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we all just agree that no matter how conservative or liberal one is, that this situation of sibling molestation is a nightmare scenario and situation that you would not wish on anyone?

Who cares? Do you really think anyone goes around wishing people got molested?
You could be surprised, or not, depending on how much you think their lifestyle led to this.

The outcry is about the fact that these very public and outwardly saintly hypocrites have been passing judgment on other people and promoting discriminatory laws and laws that invade other people's privacy; that they've publicly portrayed good, perfectly innocent people as would-be molesters while hiding a real molester in their midst.

Yes, this. I hope TLC cancels their show. They are horrible people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Read the gothard document on dealing with sexual abuse - #4 is the blaming the victim part.

We have every reason to believe this was the way these children were counseled.

Is "every reason to believe" the same as you saw it posted on Facebook? You don't know how they were counseled.

If you'd like to see the document that blames the victim from the Gothard guy's group, the guy who the Duggars follow, you can see it here. https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2015/05/23/gothards-ati-and-the-duggar-familys-secrets/ Do we know this is the "counseling" they got? No. Is it a pretty good guess that it was this or something like that? Yes.

So, you saw it on Facebook and believed it must be true?

They may say a lot of stupid shit to their kids, but I have a hard time believing they blamed the girls. How does a parent blame 4 out of 5 girls for enticing their own brother? That's absurd, even for the Duggars. The scriptures that deal with rape and responsibilities of the victim wouldn't support blaming young girls for molestation by their brother.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Read the gothard document on dealing with sexual abuse - #4 is the blaming the victim part.

We have every reason to believe this was the way these children were counseled.

Is "every reason to believe" the same as you saw it posted on Facebook? You don't know how they were counseled.

If you'd like to see the document that blames the victim from the Gothard guy's group, the guy who the Duggars follow, you can see it here. https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2015/05/23/gothards-ati-and-the-duggar-familys-secrets/ Do we know this is the "counseling" they got? No. Is it a pretty good guess that it was this or something like that? Yes.

So, you saw it on Facebook and believed it must be true?

They may say a lot of stupid shit to their kids, but I have a hard time believing they blamed the girls. How does a parent blame 4 out of 5 girls for enticing their own brother? That's absurd, even for the Duggars. The scriptures that deal with rape and responsibilities of the victim wouldn't support blaming young girls for molestation by their brother.

NP here: Did you read the document? The subscribe to all the other materials this guy has created. It is logical to conclude that the family used this form of sexual abuse counseling as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Read the gothard document on dealing with sexual abuse - #4 is the blaming the victim part.

We have every reason to believe this was the way these children were counseled.

Is "every reason to believe" the same as you saw it posted on Facebook? You don't know how they were counseled.

If you'd like to see the document that blames the victim from the Gothard guy's group, the guy who the Duggars follow, you can see it here. https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2015/05/23/gothards-ati-and-the-duggar-familys-secrets/ Do we know this is the "counseling" they got? No. Is it a pretty good guess that it was this or something like that? Yes.

So, you saw it on Facebook and believed it must be true?

They may say a lot of stupid shit to their kids, but I have a hard time believing they blamed the girls. How does a parent blame 4 out of 5 girls for enticing their own brother? That's absurd, even for the Duggars. The scriptures that deal with rape and responsibilities of the victim wouldn't support blaming young girls for molestation by their brother.

Exactly! Absurd! ATI/Gothardism is absurd. And harmful.

[Anonymous]

Here is some current information about if and when TLC might cancel: Duggars' '19 Kids and Counting' hangs in balance amid calls to cancel
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/25/entertainment/josh-duggar-tlc-show-cancel-feat/

This article will disgust you (but not quite as sensational as the headline), also has some info on how Jessa's FIL feels: The Duggar Girls Learned to Kiss From Jim-Bob and Josh
http://jezebel.com/the-duggar-girls-learned-to-kiss-from-jim-bob-and-josh-1706786807

More from Michael Seewald: Jessa Duggar's Father-in-Law Michael Seewald Responds to Josh Duggar's Molestation Allegations: "Hang In There"
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jessa-duggars-father-in-law-michael-seewald-responds-to-josh-scandal-2015255

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we all just agree that no matter how conservative or liberal one is, that this situation of sibling molestation is a nightmare scenario and situation that you would not wish on anyone?

Very true.

Conservatives are still hateful jerks though.

Never met a conservative that was hateful, but have met countless angry, hate filled, foaming at the mouth, snarling, unintelligible liberals.

Oh, pumpkin. You can visit millions of homes of conservatives and see anger, hate, spittle and foam, snarling and not only unintelligibility but irrationality. I do not know why it bothers you so much that lots of people have actual, legitimate issues with the misogynist, homophobic, pseudo-Christian (if you think Jesus would have lived what they live, even before this terrible news, you and I must use different Bibles), and anti-intellectual family. Oh, my apologies for "snarling" and "foaming at the mouth." Molestation really bothers me. You feel differently, evidently.

Amen!

[Anonymous]

I just wanted to quote this (because I wholeheartedly agree) and I think it shows that not all conservatives are hateful jerks:

This is a textbook study in how the rape culture works, how entire communities conspire to abet and protect sexual predators while silencing and retraumatizing victims.

Josh Duggar did not make "mistakes." He sexually preyed on multiple girls while they slept. And then he got away with it, because virtually everyone else around him was invested in making sure that he would.

An entire community, that grew bigger year by year, rallied behind a sexual predator to protect him. And now they stand behind him still, talking about his repeated predation as "mistakes."

Sexual assault is not "a mistake."

But certainly that's the way it must be framed for parents, church leaders, police, members of the community, in-laws, a wife, television executives, and now fans to speak in grave tones about the redemptive forgiveness of god and to convince themselves that it was just a blip in an otherwise exemplary life—while diligently ignoring the profound trauma of Josh Duggar's victims and the secondary trauma caused by a lack of justice lingering under the heavy shadow of his carefully maintained public image as a model of virtue.

I am 14:10 and I would like to add that I am a devout catholic and middle of the road republican. This is not about religion or politics it is about human decency and how we choose the society we want to live in. I do not want to live in a society where sisters who are sexual assaulted by their brother have to continue living with him and worse live submissive to him. I do want to live in a society where all people have an equal opportunity to love and cannot wait for the day that the US wakes up and passes marriage equality for everyone. I also want to live in a society where I can choose not to have an abortion and my neighbor can choose to have one, because we all have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - not just people who look and think like me.

So the Duggars can kiss my grits.

Sorry for the third post but 14:10 again. I am all fired up and after reading all these posts about excusing this vile excuse for a christian patriach (Talking about JimBob) just broke me and I have to get it all out.

Is Josh a victim? Does he deserve forgiveness? Yes and yes. He as all his siblings and now his own children are victims of being raised in a cult, however there comes a time where you become an adult and your actions become your responsibility not the responsibility of your parents. He chose to stand up at a podium with a straight face and say that the LGBT community was a danger to children when he himself is a proven danger to children. He chose to continue to say this even though his father sent him to a child pornographer for counseling, a state trooper who was definitely a danger to children. Sure, I forgive Josh, I take people at face value - he has apologized, I forgive him. Forgiveness is a fundamental trait of Christianity, so is compassion, empathy and loving thy neighbor. Josh has chosen as an adult to show none of these traits in his very public life and platform. That is not on his parents, that is not on Bill Gothard, that is not on society, that is on him.

There, I think I've gotten it all out of my system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we all just agree that no matter how conservative or liberal one is, that this situation of sibling molestation is a nightmare scenario and situation that you would not wish on anyone?

Very true.

Conservatives are still hateful jerks though.

Never met a conservative that was hateful, but have met countless angry, hate filled, foaming at the mouth, snarling, unintelligible liberals.

Oh, pumpkin. You can visit millions of homes of conservatives and see anger, hate, spittle and foam, snarling and not only unintelligibility but irrationality. I do not know why it bothers you so much that lots of people have actual, legitimate issues with the misogynist, homophobic, pseudo-Christian (if you think Jesus would have lived what they live, even before this terrible news, you and I must use different Bibles), and anti-intellectual family. Oh, my apologies for "snarling" and "foaming at the mouth." Molestation really bothers me. You feel differently, evidently.

NP, but you lost me at "pumpkin," you condescending bitch.

I am tired of self-congratulatory liberals. And I'm a former fan of the Duggars and their show, now horrified by this development. I hope they're quickly cancelled and that Josh and his parents get their just desserts. Those poor girls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Read the gothard document on dealing with sexual abuse - #4 is the blaming the victim part.

We have every reason to believe this was the way these children were counseled.

Is "every reason to believe" the same as you saw it posted on Facebook? You don't know how they were counseled.

If you'd like to see the document that blames the victim from the Gothard guy's group, the guy who the Duggars follow, you can see it here. https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2015/05/23/gothards-ati-and-the-duggar-familys-secrets/ Do we know this is the "counseling" they got? No. Is it a pretty good guess that it was this or something like that? Yes.

So, you saw it on Facebook and believed it must be true?

They may say a lot of stupid shit to their kids, but I have a hard time believing they blamed the girls. How does a parent blame 4 out of 5 girls for enticing their own brother? That's absurd, even for the Duggars. The scriptures that deal with rape and responsibilities of the victim wouldn't support blaming young girls for molestation by their brother.

NP here: Did you read the document? The subscribe to all the other materials this guy has created. It is logical to conclude that the family used this form of sexual abuse counseling as well.

They believe in a literal interpretation of the bible. What is in that document is backed up by scripture, sadly. The bible lays out specifics on when a victim is responsible and should be punished. It does not apply here and it does not apply to small children.

[Anonymous]

I think the Duggars should cancel the show themselves and just focus on themselves and raising their kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we all just agree that no matter how conservative or liberal one is, that this situation of sibling molestation is a nightmare scenario and situation that you would not wish on anyone?

Very true.

Conservatives are still hateful jerks though.

Never met a conservative that was hateful, but have met countless angry, hate filled, foaming at the mouth, snarling, unintelligible liberals.

Oh, pumpkin. You can visit millions of homes of conservatives and see anger, hate, spittle and foam, snarling and not only unintelligibility but irrationality. I do not know why it bothers you so much that lots of people have actual, legitimate issues with the misogynist, homophobic, pseudo-Christian (if you think Jesus would have lived what they live, even before this terrible news, you and I must use different Bibles), and anti-intellectual family. Oh, my apologies for "snarling" and "foaming at the mouth." Molestation really bothers me. You feel differently, evidently.

Amen!

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