Jennifer Dulos - Connecticut mom of 5 missing

[Anonymous]

People have this sweet ideas about child custody based on what they have seen in the movies. For example, many believe that just because they write in their will they want a specific person to get custody upon their death, that's how the custody goes. Nope, the judge decides and it goes by degree of relationship to the parent, age, financial means, ability to supervise the children, mental and physical capacity, etc. If the parents are divorced, unless the court has stripped the non custodial parent, that spouse will get immediate custody. Also, it does not matter whether the person petitioning for custody lives in Greece. At a minimum Gloria will be required to sent the children for two months vacation to Greece and on holidays and she will have to pay for it. She will also be required to provide full information about their educational and medical activities to the aunt. If Gloria dies, the custody hearing opens again, if she is awarded custody now. The aunt has a very good chance to get physical custody if she applies for it because Gloria is over 80 years old and was so hostile towards their dad. If it is true that Gloria also had psychiatric treatment, that will also count against her. That's the law, sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People have this sweet ideas about child custody based on what they have seen in the movies. For example, many believe that just because they write in their will they want a specific person to get custody upon their death, that's how the custody goes. Nope, the judge decides and it goes by degree of relationship to the parent, age, financial means, ability to supervise the children, mental and physical capacity, etc. If the parents are divorced, unless the court has stripped the non custodial parent, that spouse will get immediate custody. Also, it does not matter whether the person petitioning for custody lives in Greece. At a minimum Gloria will be required to sent the children for two months vacation to Greece and on holidays and she will have to pay for it. She will also be required to provide full information about their educational and medical activities to the aunt. If Gloria dies, the custody hearing opens again, if she is awarded custody now. The aunt has a very good chance to get physical custody if she applies for it because Gloria is over 80 years old and was so hostile towards their dad. If it is true that Gloria also had psychiatric treatment, that will also count against her. That's the law, sorry.

Haha. This is hilarious and not how it works at all. Non-parents do not have visitation rights. And a US court is not going to send US children abroad when there is a viable US option. But keep posting your fantasies, they are very entertaining.

[Anonymous]

Didn't Jennifer have a sister? Is she a candidate for custody, maybe joint custody with Gloria? If she's a good candidate, I hope she steps up to the plate. Regardless, Gloria can afford the best care for them, and excellent nannies. A good nanny can really fill in for a parental figure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am translating from Greek. Information about what happened during the last moments of Dulos.

His sister talked to a greek newspaper. She said that Jennifer had multiple stays at a psychiatric clinic. When Fotis committed suicide he had the five photographs of his children in front of him. That his family asked for the children to visit him at the ICU in NYC and Gloria refused and they had to threaten legal action that would entail having Gloria's record examined. Then the kids were allowed to visit their dad at the ICU and after the visit life support was removed. All his organs have been donated and the funeral was in the hospital. Afterwards the body was cremated. She said that Fotis was upset because there was a gag order and his side was not allowed to talk but the police and Jennifer's family and friends were allowed to say anything they wanted so he could not defend himself. Gloria has refused any contact between the children and the aunt.

https://www.protothema.gr/world/article/973906/i-tragodia-tou-foti-doulou-ai-sto-diaolo-den-tha-me-fate-eseis-eipe-kai-autoktonise/

Thanks for link, PP. I read the article and couldn’t believe how biased the Greek journalist was. The journalist calledr Fotis good-looking at least three times by my count (that’s totally subjective and what does that have to do with anything?!) and talked about what a good skier he was, so accomplished, from a good family, blah blah. Hardly an impartial account.

The sister believes Fortis was innocent and claims he killed himself because he was hounded so much by the police and re-arrested repeatedly. She basically thinks that the police are to blame for his suicide attempt. She says that she asked for a meeting with the prosecutor and apparently laid into him for going after her brother so aggressively. T

[Anonymous]

Sure and Jennifer collected a ton of her own blood, dumped it all over her garage floor, then cleaned it up, then took the bloody rags and tricked Fotis into dumping them on video in Hartford. She also put some more blood in the employees truck?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People have this sweet ideas about child custody based on what they have seen in the movies. For example, many believe that just because they write in their will they want a specific person to get custody upon their death, that's how the custody goes. Nope, the judge decides and it goes by degree of relationship to the parent, age, financial means, ability to supervise the children, mental and physical capacity, etc. If the parents are divorced, unless the court has stripped the non custodial parent, that spouse will get immediate custody. Also, it does not matter whether the person petitioning for custody lives in Greece. At a minimum Gloria will be required to sent the children for two months vacation to Greece and on holidays and she will have to pay for it. She will also be required to provide full information about their educational and medical activities to the aunt. If Gloria dies, the custody hearing opens again, if she is awarded custody now. The aunt has a very good chance to get physical custody if she applies for it because Gloria is over 80 years old and was so hostile towards their dad. If it is true that Gloria also had psychiatric treatment, that will also count against her. That's the law, sorry.

Haha. This is hilarious and not how it works at all. Non-parents do not have visitation rights. And a US court is not going to send US children abroad when there is a viable US option. But keep posting your fantasies, they are very entertaining.

Yes they do, especially when either of the parent is dead the visitation is transferred to a grandparent or sibling. In this case both parents are dead and Gloria has been hostile to the other parent. Whether the there is a viable option -and Gloria wont be viable by any court - US courts had sent children to live overseas. This is not Iran, that's not how US law works. The USA is a signatory of both parts of the Hague convention and as such it has nothing with citizenship of the child but the court that has jurisdiction of the child and despite Gloria's attempts to move the case to NY, the custody will be adjudicated in CT and the judge will decide who will get custody. The courts even allow for the parent to move overseas with the kids. Here we do not even have a parent. I remind you that US courts sent Elian Gonzalez back to Cuba. So many cases, Kelly Rutherford, the gossip girl, Sarah Kurtz, just a few recent cases in the news where the US courts sent us citizen children who had lived all their lives here to live permanently overseas. The law in CT allows visitation rights to be granted to "any person" Roth v Weston (2002). Actually, even if a child has been adopted, the biological grandparent has the right to get visitations. Tha'ts straight from the CT court about visitation rights of non-parents. https://www.jud.ct.gov/lawlib/Notebooks/Pathfinders/RightsofGrandparents/Grandparent.pdf

[Anonymous]

Horrible examples They sent Elian *HOME* to his non-murderous, living *FATHER*.

- Courts gave custody of Kelly Rutherford and Sarah Kurtz's kids to their non-American, non-murderous, living fathers.

Please cite a case in which US citizens (not dual), with deceased parents were sent to overseas relatives, when a living, US Citizen relative was available. Let alone where they send the kids to live with the murderer's family.

[Anonymous]

Yes, Jennifer does have a sister, who also could take the kids when Gloria passes.

[Anonymous]

-When the father was alive, the CT judge gave joint legal custody to Fotis and did not strip him from his parental rights.
-The children have dual citizenship.
-US law and the Hague Convention states that custody has nothing to do with citizenship. For example, you can have a US citizen child, with no dual citizenship, living in Portugal. The Portuguese judge will decide the case. That's the law for any country that signed both sides of the Hague Convention.

[Anonymous]

For the custody hearing Fotis is considered innocent. That's US law, contrary to other countries like Mexico and Europe where you are presumed guilty before trial.

Of course, if a nasty custody dispute, we can have a full murder trial happening within the custody trial. If the aunt files for custody, that will be the only way for Gloria to get custody. It does not matter how much money Gloria has compared to the aunt, that they are US citizens, or anything else.

What will count against Gloria:
-age over 80, -religion, she is Jewish and the children are Christians, - the children have separate trust funds so who ever has custody can use the money to raise them, -Fotis died last, - she was hostile to the father during the divorce proceedings, -she did not want to allow the children to visit their dad when he was dying, -she did not allow the children to see their aunt, the children had a relationship with the aunt and spent vacations with her, the gAL had requested the older boys to have independent attorney and have a say with whom they want to stay. (I am not even mentioning that Fotis had said that Gloria also had psychiatric treatment)

There are two questions that are curious and we do not know what is going on because the majority of the file was sealed:
1-Why did not the divorce CT judge who heard all the evidence give Gloria full custody when she petitioned the court twice?
2-Why did not they put Jennifer's sister to ask for custody?

[Anonymous]

People here are very stuck on US citizenship. US courts do not care about it.

US courts allow a custodial parent, if he or she presents solid evidence of need for example for a job promotion, to take the children and live overseas. The same right goes for whomever gets custody of the children. Custody is awarded based on the principal what is "best for the child" not whether the custodian is a US citizen, or a resident of the USA.

Citizenship in custody only rises in countries that either have not signed the Hague Convention, or did not ratify and enforce the provisions like Japan that has only started complying recently, or signed only one side like New Zealand. These countries do not allow the children to leave at all, even when the custodian parent wants to leave.

[Anonymous]

It looks like the sister works full time as an attorney. The grandmother may be better able to raise the 5 children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It looks like the sister works full time as an attorney. The grandmother may be better able to raise the 5 children.

Different Melissa Farber, that's Jennifer's sister blonde with BA in English from UPenn https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissa-irene-farber-56b31bb7/

[Anonymous]

Today a CT judge denied Gloria's petition to be the administrator of Fotis' estate, and also declined to have one of his attorneys as the administrator. He assigned a neutral lawyer as temporary administrator of the estate so an assets inventory can be done first.

[Anonymous]

Having had past pysch treatment doesn't exclude one from getting custody.

The kids have been living with Gloria Farber, are in school, and most likely, will continue to do so. The oldest kids' opinions may be taken into account also (not sure if they are 14 yet but in CT 14 year olds have some say). No judge is going to ship them off to Greece.