ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is exhausting….but for some reason it always comes back to BY crowd trying to convince everyone that it’s not really changing….

I love that you said that. I think it always comes back to the lack of reading comprehension from a sizable portion of the users, and the competitive jealousy of parents that keeps this thread going.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is exhausting….but for some reason it always comes back to BY crowd trying to convince everyone that it’s not really changing….

And the SY crowd trying to convince people that the change means instant domination for certain players who will now have their talents recognized and that tons of kids will now stop quitting soccer (even though there's a new youngest of the group!)

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is exhausting….but for some reason it always comes back to BY crowd trying to convince everyone that it’s not really changing….

I love that you said that. I think it always comes back to the lack of reading comprehension from a sizable portion of the users, and the competitive jealousy of parents that keeps this thread going.

Don't forget the toxic trolls. They are keeping up with their part!

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I don't know how anyone can listen to this and conclude that SY isn't a done deal. Sure some tweaks here and there but BY as a thing is done. Only question is what if anything begins to bend for 25/26 before it fully breaks come 26/27. If they're smart, they begin to dabble with some changes in 25/26 to work out the kinks for full roll-out in 26/27.

After listening to this, I dont need to read a single page more on this thread. But I will.

You may be right, but also he doesn't represent the entire soccer industry. He, a long with AYSO and US Club (ECNL) were in favor of this change. To date MLSN, EDP, NAL on the boys side and GA have not made any statements with all rumors being they are staying BY to appease MLS and US Soccer.

I think you see a split, MLSN /GA stay BY and try to corner a market on aspiring pros and the rest go SY. I don't think that is wise on MLSN's part but it is what it is. Parents will speak with their wallets and SY side of the soccer world will win out in the end and MLSN and GA lose market share. GA may cease to exist in a couple years if this happens.

The moment ECNL switches to SY, GA will become 2nd league. After several seasons, GA will be worse than RL. Top GA clubs, together with their boys program, will switch to ECNL. Unless GA can be creative, I do not see any hope for it as the top league.

Nope, GA will be fine either way and you'll keep looking for ways to put them down.

I don't care. I have two boys in MLS. I just stated the fact. Based on my own business experience, that will be the most likely outcome. It is a checkmate by ECNL and you GA lovers will feel this coming fall.

for girls at least, whomever goes SY will have stronger teams. Take 2-3 players per team and have them play a year younger. 20-25% of starting lineup strengthened.

Except SY wouldn't play BY unless they play up a year, which wouldn't be to their advantage.

And while SY may be best for the masses, there's also been talk here that the highest levels of ECNL (10-month program) might even stay BY, because they don't play HS anyway.

Not sure about boys and HS. But girls definitely play high school. You would have a tough sell telling girls and their families you can’t play high school soccer.

Also GA may have weaker teams if they stay BY but if that’s already the case then why would it matter? Also if they stay BY they will most certainly get better Jan to July players looking for a top team or more playing time once the other players move down.


Which would make their BY teams even better in theory.

In my area, all the girls who play on top ecnl or GA teams don’t play HS.

You're area is definitely not NOVA.

PP don’t engage. This topic was 200 pages back. And the “top tier ECNL does play HS” crowd only pointed to sing a SurfSC team that had a couple of boys who played in their private school’s conference tournie, and then a local team that had a couple of girls on JV.

They confuse the “why bother” ECNL teams with the ones fighting for the ever shrinking nationals finals spots. There is a vast difference in the top ECNL programs and the rest of ECNL, and there are some programs that have a single great team and mediocre others - not a lot of clubs that are consistently top 20.

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If GA or MLSN were going SY people would have heard rumors by now. Too many clubs, too many people to keep that under wraps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If GA or MLSN were going SY people would have heard rumors by now. Too many clubs, too many people to keep that under wraps.

Would we have though? Maybe they're more professionally run organizations that don't drop vague press releases or espouse on podcasts with little to no substance.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is exhausting….but for some reason it always comes back to BY crowd trying to convince everyone that it’s not really changing….

And the SY crowd trying to convince people that the change means instant domination for certain players who will now have their talents recognized and that tons of kids will now stop quitting soccer (even though there's a new youngest of the group!)

Was their a lack of summer month participation pre 2017 when it was SY?

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And the SY crowd trying to convince people that the change means instant domination for certain players who will now have their talents recognized and that tons of kids will now stop quitting soccer (even though there's a new youngest of the group!)




Its not about being the youngest. Its about being in a different grade. This makes a difference. My daughter is still in elementary school and a majority of her team is in middle school. Nothing to do with skill. All about maturity. She feels left out a lot, because a majority of her team has a phone. She doesn't need a phone in elementary school. So yeah, staying with the same grade is a big deal!

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is exhausting….but for some reason it always comes back to BY crowd trying to convince everyone that it’s not really changing….

And the SY crowd trying to convince people that the change means instant domination for certain players who will now have their talents recognized and that tons of kids will now stop quitting soccer (even though there's a new youngest of the group!)

Was their a lack of summer month participation pre 2017 when it was SY?

Go research RAE and you'll find your answer

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And the SY crowd trying to convince people that the change means instant domination for certain players who will now have their talents recognized and that tons of kids will now stop quitting soccer (even though there's a new youngest of the group!)

Its not about being the youngest. Its about being in a different grade. This makes a difference. My daughter is still in elementary school and a majority of her team is in middle school. Nothing to do with skill. All about maturity. She feels left out a lot, because a majority of her team has a phone. She doesn't need a phone in elementary school. So yeah, staying with the same grade is a big deal!

It's a good idea to keep a phone out of her hands for as long as possible, BUT you're saying no one else in her grade doesn't already have a phone and the those same toxic dynamics already don't exist at her school OR even the team below? The change from BY to SY won't save you or any of us from that.

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And the SY crowd trying to convince people that the change means instant domination for certain players who will now have their talents recognized and that tons of kids will now stop quitting soccer (even though there's a new youngest of the group!)

Its not about being the youngest. Its about being in a different grade. This makes a difference. My daughter is still in elementary school and a majority of her team is in middle school. Nothing to do with skill. All about maturity. She feels left out a lot, because a majority of her team has a phone. She doesn't need a phone in elementary school. So yeah, staying with the same grade is a big deal!

It's a good idea to keep a phone out of her hands for as long as possible, BUT you're saying no one else in her grade doesn't already have a phone and the those same toxic dynamics already don't exist at her school OR even the team below? The change from BY to SY won't save you or any of us from that.

I think we are being a little naive if we can't see that there is difference in maturity level between a kid that is in 7th grade and a kid that is in 6th grade. Of course there are outliers but the majority of 6th graders are going to be less mature than 7th graders, I'm not sure how anyone can even argue that?

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And the SY crowd trying to convince people that the change means instant domination for certain players who will now have their talents recognized and that tons of kids will now stop quitting soccer (even though there's a new youngest of the group!)

Its not about being the youngest. Its about being in a different grade. This makes a difference. My daughter is still in elementary school and a majority of her team is in middle school. Nothing to do with skill. All about maturity. She feels left out a lot, because a majority of her team has a phone. She doesn't need a phone in elementary school. So yeah, staying with the same grade is a big deal!

It's a good idea to keep a phone out of her hands for as long as possible, BUT you're saying no one else in her grade doesn't already have a phone and the those same toxic dynamics already don't exist at her school OR even the team below? The change from BY to SY won't save you or any of us from that.

I think we are being a little naive if we can't see that there is difference in maturity level between a kid that is in 7th grade and a kid that is in 6th grade. Of course there are outliers but the majority of 6th graders are going to be less mature than 7th graders, I'm not sure how anyone can even argue that?

I think it's a little naive to think that there's really THAT much difference in the maturity level between 6th and 7th graders. Sixth-graders can be and are jerks to other 6th-graders, phone or not. Sounds like you just want your kid to be the oldest, which I understand.

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And the SY crowd trying to convince people that the change means instant domination for certain players who will now have their talents recognized and that tons of kids will now stop quitting soccer (even though there's a new youngest of the group!)

Its not about being the youngest. Its about being in a different grade. This makes a difference. My daughter is still in elementary school and a majority of her team is in middle school. Nothing to do with skill. All about maturity. She feels left out a lot, because a majority of her team has a phone. She doesn't need a phone in elementary school. So yeah, staying with the same grade is a big deal!

It's a good idea to keep a phone out of her hands for as long as possible, BUT you're saying no one else in her grade doesn't already have a phone and the those same toxic dynamics already don't exist at her school OR even the team below? The change from BY to SY won't save you or any of us from that.

I know it's a micro point in time but I'm experiencing very much the same with my youngest now. He's in fourth grade, most of his team is in 5th. They are getting ready for middle school and he isn't, they have access to summer camps he doesn't because they are only open to incoming 6th graders. Next year it will be an even bigger deal when they are in middle school and he isn't because thats a big jump in social change. Clearly there are kids for whom this doesn't matter, I get that, and congrats to you all, but I think it's more normal for it to be a thing and frankly I couldn't be more sick of people whose kids have always played with kids almost exclusively younger than them for their entire lives telling me it doesn't at all matter when my kid has literally never played with or against anyone younger than him by more than a couple of weeks.

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These are all great points about the differences between grades and once again highlight the particularly terrible position August-born kids older for their grade are going to be put in if they do not revert to the SY dates put in place for decades pre-2017 (8/1 to 7/31) and instead move to 9/1 to 8/31.

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And the SY crowd trying to convince people that the change means instant domination for certain players who will now have their talents recognized and that tons of kids will now stop quitting soccer (even though there's a new youngest of the group!)

Its not about being the youngest. Its about being in a different grade. This makes a difference. My daughter is still in elementary school and a majority of her team is in middle school. Nothing to do with skill. All about maturity. She feels left out a lot, because a majority of her team has a phone. She doesn't need a phone in elementary school. So yeah, staying with the same grade is a big deal!

It's a good idea to keep a phone out of her hands for as long as possible, BUT you're saying no one else in her grade doesn't already have a phone and the those same toxic dynamics already don't exist at her school OR even the team below? The change from BY to SY won't save you or any of us from that.

I know it's a micro point in time but I'm experiencing very much the same with my youngest now. He's in fourth grade, most of his team is in 5th. They are getting ready for middle school and he isn't, they have access to summer camps he doesn't because they are only open to incoming 6th graders. Next year it will be an even bigger deal when they are in middle school and he isn't because thats a big jump in social change. Clearly there are kids for whom this doesn't matter, I get that, and congrats to you all, but I think it's more normal for it to be a thing and frankly I couldn't be more sick of people whose kids have always played with kids almost exclusively younger than them for their entire lives telling me it doesn't at all matter when my kid has literally never played with or against anyone younger than him by more than a couple of weeks.


I get it. Kids these days don't always have the best social situations, but OTOH too many parents try to shield their kid from dealing with problems thereby stunting their growth. BUT same grade doesn't guarantee anything when it comes to interpersonal interactions, especially in hyper competitive club soccer. Also on the flip side, playing with and hanging around older kids isn't ALWAYS a negative. Sometimes hanging around MORE mature kids is a better situation.