ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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I don't know how anyone can listen to this and conclude that SY isn't a done deal. Sure some tweaks here and there but BY as a thing is done. Only question is what if anything begins to bend for 25/26 before it fully breaks come 26/27. If they're smart, they begin to dabble with some changes in 25/26 to work out the kinks for full roll-out in 26/27.

After listening to this, I dont need to read a single page more on this thread. But I will.

You may be right, but also he doesn't represent the entire soccer industry. He, a long with AYSO and US Club (ECNL) were in favor of this change. To date MLSN, EDP, NAL on the boys side and GA have not made any statements with all rumors being they are staying BY to appease MLS and US Soccer.

I think you see a split, MLSN /GA stay BY and try to corner a market on aspiring pros and the rest go SY. I don't think that is wise on MLSN's part but it is what it is. Parents will speak with their wallets and SY side of the soccer world will win out in the end and MLSN and GA lose market share. GA may cease to exist in a couple years if this happens.

The moment ECNL switches to SY, GA will become 2nd league. After several seasons, GA will be worse than RL. Top GA clubs, together with their boys program, will switch to ECNL. Unless GA can be creative, I do not see any hope for it as the top league.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.buzzsprout.com/874396/episodes/16410170-us-youth-soccer-state-of-the-union-with-skip-gilbert

I don't know how anyone can listen to this and conclude that SY isn't a done deal. Sure some tweaks here and there but BY as a thing is done. Only question is what if anything begins to bend for 25/26 before it fully breaks come 26/27. If they're smart, they begin to dabble with some changes in 25/26 to work out the kinks for full roll-out in 26/27.

After listening to this, I dont need to read a single page more on this thread. But I will.

You may be right, but also he doesn't represent the entire soccer industry. He, a long with AYSO and US Club (ECNL) were in favor of this change. To date MLSN, EDP, NAL on the boys side and GA have not made any statements with all rumors being they are staying BY to appease MLS and US Soccer.

I think you see a split, MLSN /GA stay BY and try to corner a market on aspiring pros and the rest go SY. I don't think that is wise on MLSN's part but it is what it is. Parents will speak with their wallets and SY side of the soccer world will win out in the end and MLSN and GA lose market share. GA may cease to exist in a couple years if this happens.

The moment ECNL switches to SY, GA will become 2nd league. After several seasons, GA will be worse than RL. Top GA clubs, together with their boys program, will switch to ECNL. Unless GA can be creative, I do not see any hope for it as the top league.

That’s assuming GA doesn’t switch too. Top flight girls soccer is a pathway to college. School year makes the most sense to meet that goal. BY is great for pros/national team players, but those are way too few and far between to justify an entire system being BY.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.buzzsprout.com/874396/episodes/16410170-us-youth-soccer-state-of-the-union-with-skip-gilbert

I don't know how anyone can listen to this and conclude that SY isn't a done deal. Sure some tweaks here and there but BY as a thing is done. Only question is what if anything begins to bend for 25/26 before it fully breaks come 26/27. If they're smart, they begin to dabble with some changes in 25/26 to work out the kinks for full roll-out in 26/27.

After listening to this, I dont need to read a single page more on this thread. But I will.

You may be right, but also he doesn't represent the entire soccer industry. He, a long with AYSO and US Club (ECNL) were in favor of this change. To date MLSN, EDP, NAL on the boys side and GA have not made any statements with all rumors being they are staying BY to appease MLS and US Soccer.

I think you see a split, MLSN /GA stay BY and try to corner a market on aspiring pros and the rest go SY. I don't think that is wise on MLSN's part but it is what it is. Parents will speak with their wallets and SY side of the soccer world will win out in the end and MLSN and GA lose market share. GA may cease to exist in a couple years if this happens.

The moment ECNL switches to SY, GA will become 2nd league. After several seasons, GA will be worse than RL. Top GA clubs, together with their boys program, will switch to ECNL. Unless GA can be creative, I do not see any hope for it as the top league.

I agree. I think the only thing the BY organizations can hope for is that college sports change and/or they cap the # of internationals who are 24+ who washed out of a European pro team. The upcoming NCAA settlement will gut/destroy non-revenue sports in the next few years. This would benefit MLSN. GA is pretty screwed either way. They made their bed with the MLSN clubs and because the boys side generates more profits for clubs GA can't go SY without MLSN.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.buzzsprout.com/874396/episodes/16410170-us-youth-soccer-state-of-the-union-with-skip-gilbert

I don't know how anyone can listen to this and conclude that SY isn't a done deal. Sure some tweaks here and there but BY as a thing is done. Only question is what if anything begins to bend for 25/26 before it fully breaks come 26/27. If they're smart, they begin to dabble with some changes in 25/26 to work out the kinks for full roll-out in 26/27.

After listening to this, I dont need to read a single page more on this thread. But I will.

You may be right, but also he doesn't represent the entire soccer industry. He, a long with AYSO and US Club (ECNL) were in favor of this change. To date MLSN, EDP, NAL on the boys side and GA have not made any statements with all rumors being they are staying BY to appease MLS and US Soccer.

I think you see a split, MLSN /GA stay BY and try to corner a market on aspiring pros and the rest go SY. I don't think that is wise on MLSN's part but it is what it is. Parents will speak with their wallets and SY side of the soccer world will win out in the end and MLSN and GA lose market share. GA may cease to exist in a couple years if this happens.

The moment ECNL switches to SY, GA will become 2nd league. After several seasons, GA will be worse than RL. Top GA clubs, together with their boys program, will switch to ECNL. Unless GA can be creative, I do not see any hope for it as the top league.

Nope, GA will be fine either way and you'll keep looking for ways to put them down.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.buzzsprout.com/874396/episodes/16410170-us-youth-soccer-state-of-the-union-with-skip-gilbert

I don't know how anyone can listen to this and conclude that SY isn't a done deal. Sure some tweaks here and there but BY as a thing is done. Only question is what if anything begins to bend for 25/26 before it fully breaks come 26/27. If they're smart, they begin to dabble with some changes in 25/26 to work out the kinks for full roll-out in 26/27.

After listening to this, I dont need to read a single page more on this thread. But I will.

You may be right, but also he doesn't represent the entire soccer industry. He, a long with AYSO and US Club (ECNL) were in favor of this change. To date MLSN, EDP, NAL on the boys side and GA have not made any statements with all rumors being they are staying BY to appease MLS and US Soccer.

I think you see a split, MLSN /GA stay BY and try to corner a market on aspiring pros and the rest go SY. I don't think that is wise on MLSN's part but it is what it is. Parents will speak with their wallets and SY side of the soccer world will win out in the end and MLSN and GA lose market share. GA may cease to exist in a couple years if this happens.

The moment ECNL switches to SY, GA will become 2nd league. After several seasons, GA will be worse than RL. Top GA clubs, together with their boys program, will switch to ECNL. Unless GA can be creative, I do not see any hope for it as the top league.

Nope, GA will be fine either way and you'll keep looking for ways to put them down.

I don't care. I have two boys in MLS. I just stated the fact. Based on my own business experience, that will be the most likely outcome. It is a checkmate by ECNL and you GA lovers will feel this coming fall.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.buzzsprout.com/874396/episodes/16410170-us-youth-soccer-state-of-the-union-with-skip-gilbert

I don't know how anyone can listen to this and conclude that SY isn't a done deal. Sure some tweaks here and there but BY as a thing is done. Only question is what if anything begins to bend for 25/26 before it fully breaks come 26/27. If they're smart, they begin to dabble with some changes in 25/26 to work out the kinks for full roll-out in 26/27.

After listening to this, I dont need to read a single page more on this thread. But I will.

You may be right, but also he doesn't represent the entire soccer industry. He, a long with AYSO and US Club (ECNL) were in favor of this change. To date MLSN, EDP, NAL on the boys side and GA have not made any statements with all rumors being they are staying BY to appease MLS and US Soccer.

I think you see a split, MLSN /GA stay BY and try to corner a market on aspiring pros and the rest go SY. I don't think that is wise on MLSN's part but it is what it is. Parents will speak with their wallets and SY side of the soccer world will win out in the end and MLSN and GA lose market share. GA may cease to exist in a couple years if this happens.

The moment ECNL switches to SY, GA will become 2nd league. After several seasons, GA will be worse than RL. Top GA clubs, together with their boys program, will switch to ECNL. Unless GA can be creative, I do not see any hope for it as the top league.

Nope, GA will be fine either way and you'll keep looking for ways to put them down.

I don't care. I have two boys in MLS. I just stated the fact. Based on my own business experience, that will be the most likely outcome. It is a checkmate by ECNL and you GA lovers will feel this coming fall.

for girls at least, whomever goes SY will have stronger teams. Take 2-3 players per team and have them play a year younger. 20-25% of starting lineup strengthened.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.buzzsprout.com/874396/episodes/16410170-us-youth-soccer-state-of-the-union-with-skip-gilbert

I don't know how anyone can listen to this and conclude that SY isn't a done deal. Sure some tweaks here and there but BY as a thing is done. Only question is what if anything begins to bend for 25/26 before it fully breaks come 26/27. If they're smart, they begin to dabble with some changes in 25/26 to work out the kinks for full roll-out in 26/27.

After listening to this, I dont need to read a single page more on this thread. But I will.

You may be right, but also he doesn't represent the entire soccer industry. He, a long with AYSO and US Club (ECNL) were in favor of this change. To date MLSN, EDP, NAL on the boys side and GA have not made any statements with all rumors being they are staying BY to appease MLS and US Soccer.

I think you see a split, MLSN /GA stay BY and try to corner a market on aspiring pros and the rest go SY. I don't think that is wise on MLSN's part but it is what it is. Parents will speak with their wallets and SY side of the soccer world will win out in the end and MLSN and GA lose market share. GA may cease to exist in a couple years if this happens.

The moment ECNL switches to SY, GA will become 2nd league. After several seasons, GA will be worse than RL. Top GA clubs, together with their boys program, will switch to ECNL. Unless GA can be creative, I do not see any hope for it as the top league.

Nope, GA will be fine either way and you'll keep looking for ways to put them down.

I don't care. I have two boys in MLS. I just stated the fact. Based on my own business experience, that will be the most likely outcome. It is a checkmate by ECNL and you GA lovers will feel this coming fall.

That doesn’t check out.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.buzzsprout.com/874396/episodes/16410170-us-youth-soccer-state-of-the-union-with-skip-gilbert

I don't know how anyone can listen to this and conclude that SY isn't a done deal. Sure some tweaks here and there but BY as a thing is done. Only question is what if anything begins to bend for 25/26 before it fully breaks come 26/27. If they're smart, they begin to dabble with some changes in 25/26 to work out the kinks for full roll-out in 26/27.

After listening to this, I dont need to read a single page more on this thread. But I will.

You may be right, but also he doesn't represent the entire soccer industry. He, a long with AYSO and US Club (ECNL) were in favor of this change. To date MLSN, EDP, NAL on the boys side and GA have not made any statements with all rumors being they are staying BY to appease MLS and US Soccer.

I think you see a split, MLSN /GA stay BY and try to corner a market on aspiring pros and the rest go SY. I don't think that is wise on MLSN's part but it is what it is. Parents will speak with their wallets and SY side of the soccer world will win out in the end and MLSN and GA lose market share. GA may cease to exist in a couple years if this happens.

The moment ECNL switches to SY, GA will become 2nd league. After several seasons, GA will be worse than RL. Top GA clubs, together with their boys program, will switch to ECNL. Unless GA can be creative, I do not see any hope for it as the top league.

Nope, GA will be fine either way and you'll keep looking for ways to put them down.

I don't care. I have two boys in MLS. I just stated the fact. Based on my own business experience, that will be the most likely outcome. It is a checkmate by ECNL and you GA lovers will feel this coming fall.

for girls at least, whomever goes SY will have stronger teams. Take 2-3 players per team and have them play a year younger. 20-25% of starting lineup strengthened.

Except SY wouldn't play BY unless they play up a year, which wouldn't be to their advantage.

And while SY may be best for the masses, there's also been talk here that the highest levels of ECNL (10-month program) might even stay BY, because they don't play HS anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with making adjustments for next year is ecnl clubs are hosting tryouts this month. California already hosted ecnl tryouts? North Carolina ecnl clubs host tryouts in February. Would those clubs just make adjustments to rosters if they decided to allow some early changes for a limited number of trapped players in 25/26?

ECNL team can have a team of 28 players. It is easy to fit 2/3 trapped players per team. The bench Q1/Q2 parents will be grumpy, but who cares?

Just because a player is older and trapped doesn’t mean they are any better than the team below. Sometimes that team doing better, especially in the standings.

gives you a perspective: a bench Q4 player was dominating in the intra-club scrimmage against the younger team, which happened just to beat an MLS academy team.

And one of his teammates, another Q4, bioband in the younger team because he gets zero minutes. And he is one of the best players there. They beat a MLS Academy team recently.

You realize this is soccer right? Leicester beat Tottenham last week or the week before, that doesn’t make them better. Kids have good practices, kids have bad practices. You don’t measure them by their best performances, you measure them by their baseline performances.

I love the anecdotal evidence, but it doesn’t mean anything larger than what you observed that day with that kid.

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I don't know how anyone can listen to this and conclude that SY isn't a done deal. Sure some tweaks here and there but BY as a thing is done. Only question is what if anything begins to bend for 25/26 before it fully breaks come 26/27. If they're smart, they begin to dabble with some changes in 25/26 to work out the kinks for full roll-out in 26/27.

After listening to this, I dont need to read a single page more on this thread. But I will.

You may be right, but also he doesn't represent the entire soccer industry. He, a long with AYSO and US Club (ECNL) were in favor of this change. To date MLSN, EDP, NAL on the boys side and GA have not made any statements with all rumors being they are staying BY to appease MLS and US Soccer.

I think you see a split, MLSN /GA stay BY and try to corner a market on aspiring pros and the rest go SY. I don't think that is wise on MLSN's part but it is what it is. Parents will speak with their wallets and SY side of the soccer world will win out in the end and MLSN and GA lose market share. GA may cease to exist in a couple years if this happens.

The moment ECNL switches to SY, GA will become 2nd league. After several seasons, GA will be worse than RL. Top GA clubs, together with their boys program, will switch to ECNL. Unless GA can be creative, I do not see any hope for it as the top league.

Nope, GA will be fine either way and you'll keep looking for ways to put them down.

I don't care. I have two boys in MLS. I just stated the fact. Based on my own business experience, that will be the most likely outcome. It is a checkmate by ECNL and you GA lovers will feel this coming fall.

for girls at least, whomever goes SY will have stronger teams. Take 2-3 players per team and have them play a year younger. 20-25% of starting lineup strengthened.

Except SY wouldn't play BY unless they play up a year, which wouldn't be to their advantage.

And while SY may be best for the masses, there's also been talk here that the highest levels of ECNL (10-month program) might even stay BY, because they don't play HS anyway.

Not sure about boys and HS. But girls definitely play high school. You would have a tough sell telling girls and their families you can’t play high school soccer.

Also GA may have weaker teams if they stay BY but if that’s already the case then why would it matter? Also if they stay BY they will most certainly get better Jan to July players looking for a top team or more playing time once the other players move down.


Which would make their BY teams even better in theory.

[Anonymous]

This thread is exhausting….but for some reason it always comes back to BY crowd trying to convince everyone that it’s not really changing….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is exhausting….but for some reason it always comes back to BY crowd trying to convince everyone that it’s not really changing….

Everyone acknowledges ECNL is changing to SY. The jury is still out on MLSN and GA.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.buzzsprout.com/874396/episodes/16410170-us-youth-soccer-state-of-the-union-with-skip-gilbert

I don't know how anyone can listen to this and conclude that SY isn't a done deal. Sure some tweaks here and there but BY as a thing is done. Only question is what if anything begins to bend for 25/26 before it fully breaks come 26/27. If they're smart, they begin to dabble with some changes in 25/26 to work out the kinks for full roll-out in 26/27.

After listening to this, I dont need to read a single page more on this thread. But I will.

You may be right, but also he doesn't represent the entire soccer industry. He, a long with AYSO and US Club (ECNL) were in favor of this change. To date MLSN, EDP, NAL on the boys side and GA have not made any statements with all rumors being they are staying BY to appease MLS and US Soccer.

I think you see a split, MLSN /GA stay BY and try to corner a market on aspiring pros and the rest go SY. I don't think that is wise on MLSN's part but it is what it is. Parents will speak with their wallets and SY side of the soccer world will win out in the end and MLSN and GA lose market share. GA may cease to exist in a couple years if this happens.

The moment ECNL switches to SY, GA will become 2nd league. After several seasons, GA will be worse than RL. Top GA clubs, together with their boys program, will switch to ECNL. Unless GA can be creative, I do not see any hope for it as the top league.

Nope, GA will be fine either way and you'll keep looking for ways to put them down.

I don't care. I have two boys in MLS. I just stated the fact. Based on my own business experience, that will be the most likely outcome. It is a checkmate by ECNL and you GA lovers will feel this coming fall.

for girls at least, whomever goes SY will have stronger teams. Take 2-3 players per team and have them play a year younger. 20-25% of starting lineup strengthened.

Except SY wouldn't play BY unless they play up a year, which wouldn't be to their advantage.

And while SY may be best for the masses, there's also been talk here that the highest levels of ECNL (10-month program) might even stay BY, because they don't play HS anyway.

Not sure about boys and HS. But girls definitely play high school. You would have a tough sell telling girls and their families you can’t play high school soccer.

Also GA may have weaker teams if they stay BY but if that’s already the case then why would it matter? Also if they stay BY they will most certainly get better Jan to July players looking for a top team or more playing time once the other players move down.


Which would make their BY teams even better in theory.

In my area, all the girls who play on top ecnl or GA teams don’t play HS.

[Anonymous]

List the areas that don’t play high school…

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.buzzsprout.com/874396/episodes/16410170-us-youth-soccer-state-of-the-union-with-skip-gilbert

I don't know how anyone can listen to this and conclude that SY isn't a done deal. Sure some tweaks here and there but BY as a thing is done. Only question is what if anything begins to bend for 25/26 before it fully breaks come 26/27. If they're smart, they begin to dabble with some changes in 25/26 to work out the kinks for full roll-out in 26/27.

After listening to this, I dont need to read a single page more on this thread. But I will.

You may be right, but also he doesn't represent the entire soccer industry. He, a long with AYSO and US Club (ECNL) were in favor of this change. To date MLSN, EDP, NAL on the boys side and GA have not made any statements with all rumors being they are staying BY to appease MLS and US Soccer.

I think you see a split, MLSN /GA stay BY and try to corner a market on aspiring pros and the rest go SY. I don't think that is wise on MLSN's part but it is what it is. Parents will speak with their wallets and SY side of the soccer world will win out in the end and MLSN and GA lose market share. GA may cease to exist in a couple years if this happens.

The moment ECNL switches to SY, GA will become 2nd league. After several seasons, GA will be worse than RL. Top GA clubs, together with their boys program, will switch to ECNL. Unless GA can be creative, I do not see any hope for it as the top league.

Nope, GA will be fine either way and you'll keep looking for ways to put them down.

I don't care. I have two boys in MLS. I just stated the fact. Based on my own business experience, that will be the most likely outcome. It is a checkmate by ECNL and you GA lovers will feel this coming fall.

for girls at least, whomever goes SY will have stronger teams. Take 2-3 players per team and have them play a year younger. 20-25% of starting lineup strengthened.

Except SY wouldn't play BY unless they play up a year, which wouldn't be to their advantage.

And while SY may be best for the masses, there's also been talk here that the highest levels of ECNL (10-month program) might even stay BY, because they don't play HS anyway.

Not sure about boys and HS. But girls definitely play high school. You would have a tough sell telling girls and their families you can’t play high school soccer.

Also GA may have weaker teams if they stay BY but if that’s already the case then why would it matter? Also if they stay BY they will most certainly get better Jan to July players looking for a top team or more playing time once the other players move down.


Which would make their BY teams even better in theory.

In my area, all the girls who play on top ecnl or GA teams don’t play HS.

You're area is definitely not NOVA.