When will Asra Nomani and her troop stop their rantings

[Anonymous]

When will Asra Nomani and her troop stop their rantings - her emails to everyone on earth are so rude, demeaning and she speaks about advocating justice. Thank goodness for the new initiative to change the TJ Admission process. There is a whole bunch of Tiger parents extremely agitated that all the money they have put in all these years to give their kids an "edge" now stands wasted.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, what kind of crazy parent wants the best possible opportunity for their kids?

[Anonymous]

So unsubscribe to whatever emails that she sends out you are subscribed to? Or if you're an elected official, sorry, that's part of the job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, what kind of crazy parent wants the best possible opportunity for their kids?

+1 I wish people would stop hating on the hard working kids trying to get in the best high school in the country and their parents that support them in this effort.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, what kind of crazy parent wants the best possible opportunity for their kids?

+1 I wish people would stop hating on the hard working kids trying to get in the best high school in the country and their parents that support them in this effort.

I would be more sympathetic to the kids if I thought it was the kids desire and not the parents desire. I understand that the kid has to do the work but I am not so certain that many of these kids are so driven by their STEM interest at 11 and 12 that they have been asking to take extra math and prep classes and all the other extras that I see listed. I feel the same way about kids who parents are driven by their kid having to get into an Ivy League school. I feel the same way about kids in travel sports who really don't want to be in travel sports but their parents are desperate for a scholarship.

There are kids who are that driven at a young age but they are pretty rare. There are kids with a ton of talent whose parents spend a lot of time and money on developing that talent. Some kids enjoy but a lot don't.

There is a fine line between encouraging your kid and providing them with opportunities and forcing your dreams and desires on your kid. A good number of TJ parents cross that line, I know a few who have done just that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, what kind of crazy parent wants the best possible opportunity for their kids?

+1 I wish people would stop hating on the hard working kids trying to get in the best high school in the country and their parents that support them in this effort.

I would be more sympathetic to the kids if I thought it was the kids desire and not the parents desire. I understand that the kid has to do the work but I am not so certain that many of these kids are so driven by their STEM interest at 11 and 12 that they have been asking to take extra math and prep classes and all the other extras that I see listed. I feel the same way about kids who parents are driven by their kid having to get into an Ivy League school. I feel the same way about kids in travel sports who really don't want to be in travel sports but their parents are desperate for a scholarship.

There are kids who are that driven at a young age but they are pretty rare. There are kids with a ton of talent whose parents spend a lot of time and money on developing that talent. Some kids enjoy but a lot don't.

There is a fine line between encouraging your kid and providing them with opportunities and forcing your dreams and desires on your kid. A good number of TJ parents cross that line, I know a few who have done just that.

You're projecting your thoughts. You don't even know the kids.

And yes, there is an entire organization of TJ kids that are against the changes. Are the parents forcing the high schoolers too?

Just because you can't wrap your head around differences, that are sometimes cultural, and you want tarnish what's different from you as bad- does not mean you are right my dear white savior.

- Parent without kids even remotely interested in TJ yet am able to understand and embrace that we are all different

[Anonymous]

There are so many problems in the US. Why is this an issue particularly this year? Does TJ have a higher suicide rating? If it doesn't and all these kids go on to have successful jobs and families can we stop treating gifted magnet schools as if they are an actual issue to resolve in the US?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are so many problems in the US. Why is this an issue particularly this year? Does TJ have a higher suicide rating? If it doesn't and all these kids go on to have successful jobs and families can we stop treating gifted magnet schools as if they are an actual issue to resolve in the US?

Because people at TJ, FCPS admin, and VDOE made it a big issue this year.

Also because no African American students chose to join this fall's freshmen class, and that concerned many people in the wake of the protests this summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are so many problems in the US. Why is this an issue particularly this year? Does TJ have a higher suicide rating? If it doesn't and all these kids go on to have successful jobs and families can we stop treating gifted magnet schools as if they are an actual issue to resolve in the US?

the easiest, least distracting and least time consuming solution is to just close the school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many problems in the US. Why is this an issue particularly this year? Does TJ have a higher suicide rating? If it doesn't and all these kids go on to have successful jobs and families can we stop treating gifted magnet schools as if they are an actual issue to resolve in the US?

Because people at TJ, FCPS admin, and VDOE made it a big issue this year.

Also because no African American students chose to join this fall's freshmen class, and that concerned many people in the wake of the protests this summer.

If any other racial group chose not to join a 70% black high school even if it had the best academics, those people would be called fools and racists.

Instead, we have to change the entire system in the middle of a pandemic with inequities far greater in regular public schools due to distance learning to make TJ more palatable to those that cannot bear the idea of going to school with a bunch of Asian AMERICAN kids.

[Anonymous]

I don't receive her emails, and if they're unpleasant, you certainly have a point, OP, but I want to note that your barb about Tiger parents and money is racist and discriminatory, and specifically anti-Asian.

Please don't say Tiger parent again. You may not wish to target Asians, but it will be understood that way by others, and you don't want to perpetuate racist stereotypes.

Also, Asian or other parents who prioritize their children's education, do not all spend money for that, either because they don't think it's necessary or because they can't afford it, and are not motivated by whatever they spent. That is reductionist and again, completely discriminatory and hateful.

For shame, OP. If you want to discuss admission criteria and social equity, go ahead. If you want to discuss spam emails, go ahead. But don't cross the line into racism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, what kind of crazy parent wants the best possible opportunity for their kids?

+1 I wish people would stop hating on the hard working kids trying to get in the best high school in the country and their parents that support them in this effort.

I would be more sympathetic to the kids if I thought it was the kids desire and not the parents desire. I understand that the kid has to do the work but I am not so certain that many of these kids are so driven by their STEM interest at 11 and 12 that they have been asking to take extra math and prep classes and all the other extras that I see listed. I feel the same way about kids who parents are driven by their kid having to get into an Ivy League school. I feel the same way about kids in travel sports who really don't want to be in travel sports but their parents are desperate for a scholarship.

There are kids who are that driven at a young age but they are pretty rare. There are kids with a ton of talent whose parents spend a lot of time and money on developing that talent. Some kids enjoy but a lot don't.

There is a fine line between encouraging your kid and providing them with opportunities and forcing your dreams and desires on your kid. A good number of TJ parents cross that line, I know a few who have done just that.

You're projecting your thoughts. You don't even know the kids.

And yes, there is an entire organization of TJ kids that are against the changes. Are the parents forcing the high schoolers too?

Just because you can't wrap your head around differences, that are sometimes cultural, and you want tarnish what's different from you as bad- does not mean you are right my dear white savior.

- Parent without kids even remotely interested in TJ yet am able to understand and embrace that we are all different

I am not projecting when the parent says that her kid doesn't want to attend TJ but agreed to apply and attend if accepted when the parents promised them a car for attending and getting A's. The child clearly did not want to go to TJ but was thrilled to get a car. That is not a child choosing to attend because they want to attend but being bribed. My friend was dismayed that her child choose to study Education in college and not a STEM field. I get that there are kids who are at TJ because they really want to be but let's not pretend that there are kids there, and probably not an insignificant number, who are there only because they know it makes their parents happy. That is not kids choosing a great opportunity for themselves but parents forcing their idea of a great opportunity on their kids.

I understand cultural differences and why some parents put so much pressure on their kids to be able to attend TJ. I don't have to agree that that pressure is in the best interest of the child, whether that is here or living in their home country. I have friends who come from those cultures and they are realizing how much they missed out on and are trying to find a better balance for their kids. They still emphasize school and studying but they are deliberately not adding on extra school and activities in elementary school. I have other friends who come from that culture and are continuing down that path. I don't say squat to them because I am not the parent to those kids and no one has asked my opinion. But I am comfortable saying that, in general, I find that type of pressure unhealthy. I feel that way regarding travel sports and any activity where it seems like a kid is being pushed to live the life their parents envisions and not necessarily what the kid is interested in.

I am all for changes in the admissions policies that reduce the "need" for tutoring programs, test prep programs, and specialized classes that are geared to helping kids pad their resumes so they get into TJ. Kids in elementary school and middles school do not need to feel pressure to attend a specific school in high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, what kind of crazy parent wants the best possible opportunity for their kids?

+1 I wish people would stop hating on the hard working kids trying to get in the best high school in the country and their parents that support them in this effort.

I would be more sympathetic to the kids if I thought it was the kids desire and not the parents desire. I understand that the kid has to do the work but I am not so certain that many of these kids are so driven by their STEM interest at 11 and 12 that they have been asking to take extra math and prep classes and all the other extras that I see listed. I feel the same way about kids who parents are driven by their kid having to get into an Ivy League school. I feel the same way about kids in travel sports who really don't want to be in travel sports but their parents are desperate for a scholarship.

There are kids who are that driven at a young age but they are pretty rare. There are kids with a ton of talent whose parents spend a lot of time and money on developing that talent. Some kids enjoy but a lot don't.

There is a fine line between encouraging your kid and providing them with opportunities and forcing your dreams and desires on your kid. A good number of TJ parents cross that line, I know a few who have done just that.

You're projecting your thoughts. You don't even know the kids.

And yes, there is an entire organization of TJ kids that are against the changes. Are the parents forcing the high schoolers too?

Just because you can't wrap your head around differences, that are sometimes cultural, and you want tarnish what's different from you as bad- does not mean you are right my dear white savior.

- Parent without kids even remotely interested in TJ yet am able to understand and embrace that we are all different

I am not projecting when the parent says that her kid doesn't want to attend TJ but agreed to apply and attend if accepted when the parents promised them a car for attending and getting A's. The child clearly did not want to go to TJ but was thrilled to get a car. That is not a child choosing to attend because they want to attend but being bribed. My friend was dismayed that her child choose to study Education in college and not a STEM field. I get that there are kids who are at TJ because they really want to be but let's not pretend that there are kids there, and probably not an insignificant number, who are there only because they know it makes their parents happy. That is not kids choosing a great opportunity for themselves but parents forcing their idea of a great opportunity on their kids.

I understand cultural differences and why some parents put so much pressure on their kids to be able to attend TJ. I don't have to agree that that pressure is in the best interest of the child, whether that is here or living in their home country. I have friends who come from those cultures and they are realizing how much they missed out on and are trying to find a better balance for their kids. They still emphasize school and studying but they are deliberately not adding on extra school and activities in elementary school. I have other friends who come from that culture and are continuing down that path. I don't say squat to them because I am not the parent to those kids and no one has asked my opinion. But I am comfortable saying that, in general, I find that type of pressure unhealthy. I feel that way regarding travel sports and any activity where it seems like a kid is being pushed to live the life their parents envisions and not necessarily what the kid is interested in.

I am all for changes in the admissions policies that reduce the "need" for tutoring programs, test prep programs, and specialized classes that are geared to helping kids pad their resumes so they get into TJ. Kids in elementary school and middles school do not need to feel pressure to attend a specific school in high school.

You have an example of one. I can give you an example of more than one of kids getting bribes out of their parents in regular public school too. I can also give many more examples of really awful and abusive parenting to kids of elementary and middle schools.

You want to harp on and decide what's best for a certain segment of parents. Their fault is pushing their kids towards higher academic achievement and you need to reprimand them and make them see the proper way of raising kids *in your view*.

Parents that push their kids into sports and sports specialization at a young age is just the American way though right? You're not going to start demanding changes in high school sports, some of which are so competitive to make the team that a kid whose not been playing and prepping for years prior would never make the cut.

You say you feel that way about sports, but you're not on the soccer or school forums commenting and making pretty lofty accusations against parents of kids in sports.

This is just much easier, because the people that you can accuse are not the majority, nor are they a 'protected class', so it's very easy for you to unleash your self-righteousness.

[Anonymous]

So what happened during the court case and when do we find out the outcome?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, what kind of crazy parent wants the best possible opportunity for their kids?

+1 I wish people would stop hating on the hard working kids trying to get in the best high school in the country and their parents that support them in this effort.

I would be more sympathetic to the kids if I thought it was the kids desire and not the parents desire. I understand that the kid has to do the work but I am not so certain that many of these kids are so driven by their STEM interest at 11 and 12 that they have been asking to take extra math and prep classes and all the other extras that I see listed. I feel the same way about kids who parents are driven by their kid having to get into an Ivy League school. I feel the same way about kids in travel sports who really don't want to be in travel sports but their parents are desperate for a scholarship.

There are kids who are that driven at a young age but they are pretty rare. There are kids with a ton of talent whose parents spend a lot of time and money on developing that talent. Some kids enjoy but a lot don't.

There is a fine line between encouraging your kid and providing them with opportunities and forcing your dreams and desires on your kid. A good number of TJ parents cross that line, I know a few who have done just that.

You're projecting your thoughts. You don't even know the kids.

And yes, there is an entire organization of TJ kids that are against the changes. Are the parents forcing the high schoolers too?

Just because you can't wrap your head around differences, that are sometimes cultural, and you want tarnish what's different from you as bad- does not mean you are right my dear white savior.

- Parent without kids even remotely interested in TJ yet am able to understand and embrace that we are all different

I am not projecting when the parent says that her kid doesn't want to attend TJ but agreed to apply and attend if accepted when the parents promised them a car for attending and getting A's. The child clearly did not want to go to TJ but was thrilled to get a car. That is not a child choosing to attend because they want to attend but being bribed. My friend was dismayed that her child choose to study Education in college and not a STEM field. I get that there are kids who are at TJ because they really want to be but let's not pretend that there are kids there, and probably not an insignificant number, who are there only because they know it makes their parents happy. That is not kids choosing a great opportunity for themselves but parents forcing their idea of a great opportunity on their kids.

I understand cultural differences and why some parents put so much pressure on their kids to be able to attend TJ. I don't have to agree that that pressure is in the best interest of the child, whether that is here or living in their home country. I have friends who come from those cultures and they are realizing how much they missed out on and are trying to find a better balance for their kids. They still emphasize school and studying but they are deliberately not adding on extra school and activities in elementary school. I have other friends who come from that culture and are continuing down that path. I don't say squat to them because I am not the parent to those kids and no one has asked my opinion. But I am comfortable saying that, in general, I find that type of pressure unhealthy. I feel that way regarding travel sports and any activity where it seems like a kid is being pushed to live the life their parents envisions and not necessarily what the kid is interested in.

I am all for changes in the admissions policies that reduce the "need" for tutoring programs, test prep programs, and specialized classes that are geared to helping kids pad their resumes so they get into TJ. Kids in elementary school and middles school do not need to feel pressure to attend a specific school in high school.

You have an example of one. I can give you an example of more than one of kids getting bribes out of their parents in regular public school too. I can also give many more examples of really awful and abusive parenting to kids of elementary and middle schools.

You want to harp on and decide what's best for a certain segment of parents. Their fault is pushing their kids towards higher academic achievement and you need to reprimand them and make them see the proper way of raising kids *in your view*.

Parents that push their kids into sports and sports specialization at a young age is just the American way though right? You're not going to start demanding changes in high school sports, some of which are so competitive to make the team that a kid whose not been playing and prepping for years prior would never make the cut.

You say you feel that way about sports, but you're not on the soccer or school forums commenting and making pretty lofty accusations against parents of kids in sports.

This is just much easier, because the people that you can accuse are not the majority, nor are they a 'protected class', so it's very easy for you to unleash your self-righteousness.

On top of that, one major reason for Asian Americans studying harder is the reality of the current situation facing them in the US.

Asian Americans face racial discrimination in admissions to good universities and colleges in that they have to have higher test scores, higher GPAs and better ECs, recommendation letters etc. compared to all the other races. The bar is much higher for Asian applicants.

Therefore, Asian Americans already value education and educational achievements and, add on top of that the racial discrimination and higher bar universities place upon Asian applicants and you are forcing Asian applicants to study even harder and achieve even more to be competitive.

To add insult to injury, those racial groups that enjoy actual preferences and other groups scold and shame Asian Americans to not study so much! Their attitude is "Why are you guys studying so darn much... you are making us study harder... you guys must be cheating one dimensional drones...". Asian Americans only want to become the best tax paying productive members of society by playing by the rules forced upon them by the majority and studying hard.

Incredible to even imagine the inequities going on in this country.