A thread of optimism: why do you think Trump will win in 2020?

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Anonymous wrote:Despite what you hear in the MSM and on this forum, Trump voters who previously voted for Obama are sticking with Trump.......

Voters here who switched from Barack Obama to Donald Trump are sticking with Trump in 2020....

What they're saying:

Tara Biddle, a 37-year-old kindergarten teacher, said although she's not completely happy with Trump, she'd only switch candidates if they picked up where he left off.
"I would be willing to vote for someone other than Trump who would continue the initiatives he's started" with the economy, tariffs and immigration, she said.
Others said Trump should be able to serve two full terms. "When I changed my vote I gave him eight years," said 62-year-old David R.
“He’s the best looking food on the buffet right now," said 28-year-old Matt G. about Trump compared to all the Democrats running for president.
They didn't offer much criticism. One man, 52-year-old Tim G., offered: "The only thing I would say, I'd like someone to get his Twitter account away."

The rest of the group agreed, but no one was ready to dump Trump.
They're not disappointed that he hasn't accomplished more: “The swamp might’ve been a little tougher than he thought it was,” said Vince K.
And their reaction to the Mueller report and the congressional investigations? A big yawn.
“You could investigate every president; they’re all shady," said Jessica G. "Let’s just move on and let him do his job.”

https://www.axios.com/pennsylvania-swing-voters-arent-ditching-trump-in-2020-3ef8be2b-1e2c-4b5a-aca2-95790a5561eb.html

Anecdotes are a dime a dozen. Anyone can google and post dozens of anecdotes about TRUMP voters who aren’t gonna vote for him.

But more scientific polling data suggests that a majority of Americans have seen through his fraud, corruption, lies and reality TV presidency where everyone plays their part even when nothing changes on the ground.

DP.

Actually you are deluding yourself.

Polls show that most Trump 2016 voters are satisfied with his work so far, for reasons similar to the focus group linked above -- the economy, trade renegotiation, immigration, draining the swamp, judges appointed...

Whether that will be enough and whether he will be able to attract new voters remain to be seen. We will only see relevant poll data once Dems have a candidate and a platform.

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Hey +1 poster, got any evidence that “most Trump 2016 voters are satisfied with his work so far“?

42% of Americans approve of his work so far:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/


Do you think that's coming from people who did NOT vote for him?

Exactly. I question the IQ of people like the PP.

wait - you're PLEASED with a 42 percent approval rating? that's evidence of how well he's doing?

oh you guys. your standards are so low.

ps: nixon was doing much better than trump just before watergate

https://news.gallup.com/poll/4258/history-shows-presidential-job-approval-ratings-can-plummet-rapidly.aspx

You are very slow. Dem perhaps?

PP above asked about evidence that “most Trump 2016 voters are satisfied with his work so far“?

Let's see.

46% voters in 2016 voted for Trump.

42% Americans approve of his work so far.

Mathematically that means most Trump 2016 voters are satisfied with his work so far ... unless you believe that much of that approval rate comes from people who did NOT vote for him, which then makes it possible that a number of Trump voters do not approve of his work so far.

Got it?

Or should I try to explain it a bit slower?

[Anonymous]

^^^^ New poster. It’s understood that a minority 42% of Americans would vote for their dear leader even if he shot some one in the middle of 5th avenue. But therein lies his problem, a minority isn’t gonna be enough to make ANY lasting changes like Obamacare or make gay marriage legal.

He isn’t gonna win again with a narrow slavery era EC margin with just a minority vote to become president again. Hillary isn’t on the ballet, Comey isn’t gonna restart the email case 10 days before election, Trump is no longer new to get the benefit of the doubt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^^ New poster. It’s understood that a minority 42% of Americans would vote for their dear leader even if he shot some one in the middle of 5th avenue. But therein lies his problem, a minority isn’t gonna be enough to make ANY lasting changes like Obamacare or make gay marriage legal.

He isn’t gonna win again with a narrow slavery era EC margin with just a minority vote to become president again. Hillary isn’t on the ballet, Comey isn’t gonna restart the email case 10 days before election, Trump is no longer new to get the benefit of the doubt.

Exactly

But please keep touting his all time high 42 percent approval rating as if it proves that Trump is doing a great job

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^^ New poster. It’s understood that a minority 42% of Americans would vote for their dear leader even if he shot some one in the middle of 5th avenue. But therein lies his problem, a minority isn’t gonna be enough to make ANY lasting changes like Obamacare or make gay marriage legal.

He isn’t gonna win again with a narrow slavery era EC margin with just a minority vote to become president again. Hillary isn’t on the ballet, Comey isn’t gonna restart the email case 10 days before election, Trump is no longer new to get the benefit of the doubt.

Exactly

But please keep touting his all time high 42 percent approval rating as if it proves that Trump is doing a great job

That's a different argument. The point is, most people who voted for Trump are satisfied with his work, as shown and proven. You guys don't have to be happy with this fact, and can feel free to distract others from this fact. You may even attempt to change the subject as you have, but it doesn't change that this is a fact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^^ New poster. It’s understood that a minority 42% of Americans would vote for their dear leader even if he shot some one in the middle of 5th avenue. But therein lies his problem, a minority isn’t gonna be enough to make ANY lasting changes like Obamacare or make gay marriage legal.

He isn’t gonna win again with a narrow slavery era EC margin with just a minority vote to become president again. Hillary isn’t on the ballet, Comey isn’t gonna restart the email case 10 days before election, Trump is no longer new to get the benefit of the doubt.

Exactly

But please keep touting his all time high 42 percent approval rating as if it proves that Trump is doing a great job

That's a different argument. The point is, most people who voted for Trump are satisfied with his work, as shown and proven. You guys don't have to be happy with this fact, and can feel free to distract others from this fact. You may even attempt to change the subject as you have, but it doesn't change that this is a fact.

DP here:
"Most people who voted for Trump" doesn't win Trump the Electoral College in 2020. He won in 2016 by barely the skin of his teeth in MI, PA, and WI. He's lost significant support in those three states since 2016.

If "most people who voted for Trump" are satisfied with the job he's done, that's not enough to get re-elected. He needs "all people who voted for Trump" to get re-elected by the skin of his teeth once again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^^ New poster. It’s understood that a minority 42% of Americans would vote for their dear leader even if he shot some one in the middle of 5th avenue. But therein lies his problem, a minority isn’t gonna be enough to make ANY lasting changes like Obamacare or make gay marriage legal.

He isn’t gonna win again with a narrow slavery era EC margin with just a minority vote to become president again. Hillary isn’t on the ballet, Comey isn’t gonna restart the email case 10 days before election, Trump is no longer new to get the benefit of the doubt.

Exactly

But please keep touting his all time high 42 percent approval rating as if it proves that Trump is doing a great job

That's a different argument. The point is, most people who voted for Trump are satisfied with his work, as shown and proven. You guys don't have to be happy with this fact, and can feel free to distract others from this fact. You may even attempt to change the subject as you have, but it doesn't change that this is a fact.

DP here:
"Most people who voted for Trump" doesn't win Trump the Electoral College in 2020. He won in 2016 by barely the skin of his teeth in MI, PA, and WI. He's lost significant support in those three states since 2016.

If "most people who voted for Trump" are satisfied with the job he's done, that's not enough to get re-elected. He needs "all people who voted for Trump" to get re-elected by the skin of his teeth once again.

+1 and here’s a picture for those of you who don’t read.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^^ New poster. It’s understood that a minority 42% of Americans would vote for their dear leader even if he shot some one in the middle of 5th avenue. But therein lies his problem, a minority isn’t gonna be enough to make ANY lasting changes like Obamacare or make gay marriage legal.

He isn’t gonna win again with a narrow slavery era EC margin with just a minority vote to become president again. Hillary isn’t on the ballet, Comey isn’t gonna restart the email case 10 days before election, Trump is no longer new to get the benefit of the doubt.

Exactly

But please keep touting his all time high 42 percent approval rating as if it proves that Trump is doing a great job

That's a different argument. The point is, most people who voted for Trump are satisfied with his work, as shown and proven. You guys don't have to be happy with this fact, and can feel free to distract others from this fact. You may even attempt to change the subject as you have, but it doesn't change that this is a fact.

+1.

But try discussing facts and logic with fundamentalist Dems...I've personally given up.

I just trust independents to realize what's going on and to vote accordingly in 2020.

My guesstimate as of today is, Trump has >70% chances of winning again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^^ New poster. It’s understood that a minority 42% of Americans would vote for their dear leader even if he shot some one in the middle of 5th avenue. But therein lies his problem, a minority isn’t gonna be enough to make ANY lasting changes like Obamacare or make gay marriage legal.

He isn’t gonna win again with a narrow slavery era EC margin with just a minority vote to become president again. Hillary isn’t on the ballet, Comey isn’t gonna restart the email case 10 days before election, Trump is no longer new to get the benefit of the doubt.

Exactly

But please keep touting his all time high 42 percent approval rating as if it proves that Trump is doing a great job

That's a different argument. The point is, most people who voted for Trump are satisfied with his work, as shown and proven. You guys don't have to be happy with this fact, and can feel free to distract others from this fact. You may even attempt to change the subject as you have, but it doesn't change that this is a fact.

+1.

But try discussing facts and logic with fundamentalist Dems...I've personally given up.

I just trust independents to realize what's going on and to vote accordingly in 2020.

My guesstimate as of today is, Trump has >70% chances of winning again.

Not if approval is at 42% and TX is on the verge of becoming a purple state. Thats delusional.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^^ New poster. It’s understood that a minority 42% of Americans would vote for their dear leader even if he shot some one in the middle of 5th avenue. But therein lies his problem, a minority isn’t gonna be enough to make ANY lasting changes like Obamacare or make gay marriage legal.

He isn’t gonna win again with a narrow slavery era EC margin with just a minority vote to become president again. Hillary isn’t on the ballet, Comey isn’t gonna restart the email case 10 days before election, Trump is no longer new to get the benefit of the doubt.

Exactly

But please keep touting his all time high 42 percent approval rating as if it proves that Trump is doing a great job

That's a different argument. The point is, most people who voted for Trump are satisfied with his work, as shown and proven. You guys don't have to be happy with this fact, and can feel free to distract others from this fact. You may even attempt to change the subject as you have, but it doesn't change that this is a fact.

+1.

But try discussing facts and logic with fundamentalist Dems...I've personally given up.

I just trust independents to realize what's going on and to vote accordingly in 2020.

My guesstimate as of today is, Trump has >70% chances of winning again.

Not if approval is at 42% and TX is on the verge of becoming a purple state. Thats delusional.

You don't get it.

I truly doubt that any Dem candidate, after going through the primaries and the general election, will get to a 42% approval rate.

They will pander to the Dem base, and end with 35-40% approval of the general electorate.

So, who do you think is more likely to win, the incumbent with 42% approval rate or some unproven candidate 5-40% approval?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^^ New poster. It’s understood that a minority 42% of Americans would vote for their dear leader even if he shot some one in the middle of 5th avenue. But therein lies his problem, a minority isn’t gonna be enough to make ANY lasting changes like Obamacare or make gay marriage legal.

He isn’t gonna win again with a narrow slavery era EC margin with just a minority vote to become president again. Hillary isn’t on the ballet, Comey isn’t gonna restart the email case 10 days before election, Trump is no longer new to get the benefit of the doubt.

Exactly

But please keep touting his all time high 42 percent approval rating as if it proves that Trump is doing a great job

That's a different argument. The point is, most people who voted for Trump are satisfied with his work, as shown and proven. You guys don't have to be happy with this fact, and can feel free to distract others from this fact. You may even attempt to change the subject as you have, but it doesn't change that this is a fact.

+1.

But try discussing facts and logic with fundamentalist Dems...I've personally given up.

I just trust independents to realize what's going on and to vote accordingly in 2020.

My guesstimate as of today is, Trump has >70% chances of winning again.

Behold this Atlanta Journal Constitution poll of independents in Georgia, whose approval of Trump is only 20%.

[b]I repeat: Only ONE FIFTH of independents in GEORGIA approve of Trump.
https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/interactive-poll-georgia-voters-april-2019/UNhiJklHIc4Uf84ZKjJtML/

[Anonymous]

You don't get it.

I truly doubt that any Dem candidate, after going through the primaries and the general election, will get to a 42% approval rate.

They will pander to the Dem base, and end with 35-40% approval of the general electorate.

So, who do you think is more likely to win, the incumbent with 42% approval rate or some unproven candidate 5-40% approval?

I agree with this. First of all, I think that too many of the D candidates melt into each other. translation - No one really stands out. Then, when I mention immigration, I get slapped around, but DCUMers in their bubbles don't frighten me. So I'll say it again and again - If the top D candidate doesn't have a solid immigration platform, s/he is toast. Finally, there are many Inds who lean right. In fact, those who left the Ds can't stand the super progressives who live their lives on clouds. Their ideas are simply not practical.

The Ds can't hold it together. I say this as a former D. Let's see how if the clown car can thin out after the first debate. But sometimes even the most articulate candidates can't walk the walk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^^ New poster. It’s understood that a minority 42% of Americans would vote for their dear leader even if he shot some one in the middle of 5th avenue. But therein lies his problem, a minority isn’t gonna be enough to make ANY lasting changes like Obamacare or make gay marriage legal.

He isn’t gonna win again with a narrow slavery era EC margin with just a minority vote to become president again. Hillary isn’t on the ballet, Comey isn’t gonna restart the email case 10 days before election, Trump is no longer new to get the benefit of the doubt.

Exactly

But please keep touting his all time high 42 percent approval rating as if it proves that Trump is doing a great job

That's a different argument. The point is, most people who voted for Trump are satisfied with his work, as shown and proven. You guys don't have to be happy with this fact, and can feel free to distract others from this fact. You may even attempt to change the subject as you have, but it doesn't change that this is a fact.

+1.

But try discussing facts and logic with fundamentalist Dems...I've personally given up.

I just trust independents to realize what's going on and to vote accordingly in 2020.

My guesstimate as of today is, Trump has >70% chances of winning again.

Behold this Atlanta Journal Constitution poll of independents in Georgia, whose approval of Trump is only 20%.

[b]I repeat: Only ONE FIFTH of independents in GEORGIA approve of Trump.
https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/interactive-poll-georgia-voters-april-2019/UNhiJklHIc4Uf84ZKjJtML/

for now

But if it's Trump against some super progressive D, let's see which candidate wins.

[Anonymous]

The great Republican Ronald Reagan explains why Trump will win in 2020. He simply asked “are you better off than you were 4 years ago?” And the answer for most is “yes!” 70% of Americans feel optimistic about their personal finances. Just like James Carville once said “it’s the economy, stupid.” This is why the dems are in big big trouble. Their only strategy right now is to double down on this Russian collusion nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The great Republican Ronald Reagan explains why Trump will win in 2020. He simply asked “are you better off than you were 4 years ago?” And the answer for most is “yes!” 70% of Americans feel optimistic about their personal finances. Just like James Carville once said “it’s the economy, stupid.” This is why the dems are in big big trouble. Their only strategy right now is to double down on this Russian collusion nonsense.

Exactly

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The great Republican Ronald Reagan explains why Trump will win in 2020. He simply asked “are you better off than you were 4 years ago?” And the answer for most is “yes!” 70% of Americans feel optimistic about their personal finances. Just like James Carville once said “it’s the economy, stupid.” This is why the dems are in big big trouble. Their only strategy right now is to double down on this Russian collusion nonsense.

Exactly

60 percent said they did not credit Trump with any gains to the economy. Think about that. It's really quite incredible.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/11/trump-may-be-damaging-his-biggest-reelection-asset/?utm_term=.f6652462476c