Plane crash DCA?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any experience with how this type of wreckage impacts use of the river in the near future? Thank god the river was mostly frozen and not being used by recreational boaters.

Mostly frozen? Temps have been above freezing for several days.

Well large sections of the river were still frozen know-it-all, whether you understand that or not.

(How arrogant many posters are. Multiple people said they saw ice with their own eyes but you still think you are right!)

Stop it with the ice chunks. This isn’t Lake Michigan, it’s a briney river with a 6-8 foot tide every day that never freezes beyond some chunks and shoreline stuff.

Nothing to do with needing an icebreaker to get to the debris or damage. Yes divers need dry suits this time of year.

Terrible tragic accident. Unless we find out someone was way off protocol or not focusing.

I guess you didn't drive on the GW Parkway or walk/drive anywhere near georgetown or the kennedy center the last two weeks.

No ice floaters or issues last night or in photos or ops this morning. Phew. What a factor. In something.

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Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!

So they sabotaged it? I doubt that very much. I have a higher opinion of FAA employees than you do.

Not sabotage. Stress.

Remember that one of Trump’s people said their goal was to “traumatize federal employees.”

Was this actually an ATC error? I thought it was mainly the helicopter error.

No one knows yet.

Correct, we don't know yet. Here's a summary of some info we have, by a professional pilot Juan Browne (blancolirio) who has a YouTube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouDAnO8eMf8

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Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!

So they sabotaged it? I doubt that very much. I have a higher opinion of FAA employees than you do.

Not sabotage. Stress.

Remember that one of Trump’s people said their goal was to “traumatize federal employees.”

Was this actually an ATC error? I thought it was mainly the helicopter error.

No one knows yet.

To me, it does look like some element of ATC error. It clearly was not communicating to both the helicopter and the airplane that they were headed straight for each other and need to take action.

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Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!

So they sabotaged it? I doubt that very much. I have a higher opinion of FAA employees than you do.

Not sabotage. Stress.

Remember that one of Trump’s people said their goal was to “traumatize federal employees.”

Was this actually an ATC error? I thought it was mainly the helicopter error.

No one knows yet.

Correct, we don't know yet. Here's a summary of some info we have, by a professional pilot Juan Browne (blancolirio) who has a YouTube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouDAnO8eMf8

I’m married to a pilot who has investigated crashes, but thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Messaging matters! Words matter. Especially when loss of life, and liability, is at stake.

IMO there is too much information coming out now which says, "Airliner collided with helicopter" when in fact, the helicopter collided with the airliner.

Is this some sort of back-channel attempt to place blame on the airline pilot/airline/air traffic controllers?

Even Hegseth said in his statement: "...a UH60...collided, tragically, with a civilian airliner." (:40 in his video)

If the SECDEF says Army helicopter collided with civilian airliner then headlines/news information should state that.

Headline should be,
"Army helicopter collided with civilian passenger plane, said SECDEF"

No it’s just yet another example of how bad English, writing and “journalism” is in America.

Plus the BS blogger fast news cycle of shoot first, ask questions later.

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Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!

So they sabotaged it? I doubt that very much. I have a higher opinion of FAA employees than you do.

Not sabotage. Stress.

Remember that one of Trump’s people said their goal was to “traumatize federal employees.”

Was this actually an ATC error? I thought it was mainly the helicopter error.

No one knows yet.

To me, it does look like some element of ATC error. It clearly was not communicating to both the helicopter and the airplane that they were headed straight for each other and need to take action.

What are your qualifications for determining that? Looks to me like you are trying to drum up opposition/place blame on ATC employees.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know whether helicopters crossing are supposed to wait for an affirmative okay to cross from the ATC, or whether they can cross unless told NOT to cross by ATC?

This does seem like a crazy intersection to me.

There’s a blackhawk pilot on ABC News - the helicopter was likely not flying low enough given planes descending onto the runway.

People complain when they fly low.

So fly in the path of commercial flights? This should not be left to the pilot’s discretion.

ATC tells the helicopter to go around the plane to no response.

Thought we couldn’t hear either response so we don’t know.

No matter, night vision copter pilots didn’t understand that two runways exist to land from the south and didn’t have the depth perception to tell which plane was closer.

You don’t know this. Please stop speculating.

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NP. This is 100% the fault of the military helicopter. They flew into the AA regional jet’s right rear side which was seconds away from touching down. There was nothing the AA pilots could have done, and nothing the Air traffic controllers could have done. The controllers were managing landing a passenger airplane every 2 minutes (!) up until this point, as they do every day at this airport! Terrible tragedy and 100% the helicopter flew directly into the right mid/rear of the passenger airplane. They should not fly training missions at night so close to the busiest airport of the nations capital.

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Anonymous wrote:Two figure skating sisters from Ashburn were lost. I honestly cannot imagine a worse thing happening to anyone-spending your life raising two girls who are doing what they love at the highest level and then losing them together. These parents were taking them to practice 25-50 hours a week--it was likely their entire lives. I think I hope the parents were also on the flight-it seems kinder. I don't know how life can be so cruel. It's unfathomable.

Tragic.

Help others, be kid, be grateful for what you have.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any experience with how this type of wreckage impacts use of the river in the near future? Thank god the river was mostly frozen and not being used by recreational boaters.

Mostly frozen? Temps have been above freezing for several days.

Well large sections of the river were still frozen know-it-all, whether you understand that or not.

(How arrogant many posters are. Multiple people said they saw ice with their own eyes but you still think you are right!)

Stop it with the ice chunks. This isn’t Lake Michigan, it’s a briney river with a 6-8 foot tide every day that never freezes beyond some chunks and shoreline stuff.

Nothing to do with needing an icebreaker to get to the debris or damage. Yes divers need dry suits this time of year.

Terrible tragic accident. Unless we find out someone was way off protocol or not focusing.

I drive on GW parkway every single day and Potomac River is frozen, at least huge chunks of it are frozen, get out of your house before you make irrelevant statements.

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Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!

So they sabotaged it? I doubt that very much. I have a higher opinion of FAA employees than you do.

Not sabotage. Stress.

Remember that one of Trump’s people said their goal was to “traumatize federal employees.”

Was this actually an ATC error? I thought it was mainly the helicopter error.

No one knows yet.

To me, it does look like some element of ATC error. It clearly was not communicating to both the helicopter and the airplane that they were headed straight for each other and need to take action.

It seems this was allowed to happen often but no crashes happened until last night. The rules for going around and flying below will need to change.

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Trump is using this tragedy to rail against DEI!

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The felon is now saying DEI caused the crash and blaming Dems for being worse than him. So for everyone claiming that people wanting answers is politicizing a tragedy (caused by the US) here is Example A of politicization by the supposed “leader” of the free world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump is sick s despicable man. He is reading his speech. Now he is trashing Obama and Biden. I pray this PILE OF $HIT pawn of the devil gets everything he deserves and soon,!

Absolutely horrible. Blaming Democrats. He has no answers.