Is there any proof that Curie had the exact TJ test?

[Anonymous]

I keep hearing on here that 28% of TJ’s class cheated their way in. I do not consider test prep cheating. I am wondering if this is just a rumor. I find it highly unlikely that a test center would tell a student to steal a test.

How is this test administered?
Is it given multiple times and is it the same test?

[Anonymous]

The scandal is that kids were encouraged to memorize questions from their exams and report them back to Curie. Curie would teach the next group of kids including the memorized questions from the previous year. This provided Curie with a copy of past exams which would allow them to be able to teach their students how to prepare for the specific types of questions asked on the exam.

Students and parents sign non disclosure agreements where they agree to not discuss the test or test questions with anyone else. By memorizing and reporting the questions, the students violated that agreement. By teaching new students using those questions, Curie provided those students with a leg up on the exam because the students had already practiced the questions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The scandal is that kids were encouraged to memorize questions from their exams and report them back to Curie. Curie would teach the next group of kids including the memorized questions from the previous year. This provided Curie with a copy of past exams which would allow them to be able to teach their students how to prepare for the specific types of questions asked on the exam.

Students and parents sign non disclosure agreements where they agree to not discuss the test or test questions with anyone else. By memorizing and reporting the questions, the students violated that agreement. By teaching new students using those questions, Curie provided those students with a leg up on the exam because the students had already practiced the questions.

Could that be used as a basis for a lawsuit against Curie? Using their authority status to pressure kids into violating an NDA they've signed seems dubiously ethical at best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The scandal is that kids were encouraged to memorize questions from their exams and report them back to Curie. Curie would teach the next group of kids including the memorized questions from the previous year. This provided Curie with a copy of past exams which would allow them to be able to teach their students how to prepare for the specific types of questions asked on the exam.

Students and parents sign non disclosure agreements where they agree to not discuss the test or test questions with anyone else. By memorizing and reporting the questions, the students violated that agreement. By teaching new students using those questions, Curie provided those students with a leg up on the exam because the students had already practiced the questions.

Could that be used as a basis for a lawsuit against Curie? Using their authority status to pressure kids into violating an NDA they've signed seems dubiously ethical at best.

If a kid memorizes a test question, he/she probably wasn't pressured into it. Probably did it willingly as part of the program. Unless there was some type of written or electronic evidence, how could you prove it? If a kid provided a test question, why would he/she confess and wade into that Varsity Blues type morass? No incentive for anybody to do anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I keep hearing on here that 28% of TJ’s class cheated their way in. I do not consider test prep cheating. I am wondering if this is just a rumor. I find it highly unlikely that a test center would tell a student to steal a test.

How is this test administered?
Is it given multiple times and is it the same test?

Is not it incompetence of TJ Admission test board giving same/ similar questions ? To cover up this, they started lottery and show off as if they lottery is sure shot answer for diversity ?

There are lot of prep centers for SAT, ACT , AP , MCAT , Sports .. use previous tests as part of prep..

Lottery is just a change ... there is no guarantee that 15% of TJ class would be URM or proportionate to the strength of URM students ..

[Anonymous]

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Students and parents sign non disclosure agreements where they agree to not discuss the test or test questions with anyone else. By memorizing and reporting the questions, the students violated that agreement. By teaching new students using those questions, Curie provided those students with a leg up on the exam because the students had already practiced the questions.

Could that be used as a basis for a lawsuit against Curie? Using their authority status to pressure kids into violating an NDA they've signed seems dubiously ethical at best.

If a kid memorizes a test question, he/she probably wasn't pressured into it. Probably did it willingly as part of the program. Unless there was some type of written or electronic evidence, how could you prove it? If a kid provided a test question, why would he/she confess and wade into that Varsity Blues type morass? No incentive for anybody to do anything.

Look up something called the Milgram experiment.

The kids signed up for a rigorous, expensive months-long prep program which would sharpen their skills and prepare them for success. Memorizing questions is easy. If the test center is telling them to share those questions on top of that, it's unethical misuse of the students. The majority of them will probably do it, whether they're willing or not, and whether or not it's what they actually signed up for.

[Anonymous]

Lots of speculation. Zero proof. If there was proof, this would be a lawsuit/criminal charge.

[Anonymous]

Two questions that would be good to have answered:

How did they get from 51 students in the class of 2022 to 133 students in the class of 2024?

Why did multiple students state on TJ Vents that Curie had a copy of the test? Were these students just confused?

[Anonymous]

I would not say that this is an exact copy of a test and cheating. It is unethical but I don’t think this is cheating. DCUM made it sound like they had stolen a copy of the test. Basically they had a bank of prior years’ questions. Eh. Doesn’t seem as bad as it originally stated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would not say that this is an exact copy of a test and cheating. It is unethical but I don’t think this is cheating. DCUM made it sound like they had stolen a copy of the test. Basically they had a bank of prior years’ questions. Eh. Doesn’t seem as bad as it originally stated.

Agree. Curie is like a low tech version of most fraternities/sororities. Fraternities and sororities had file cabinets filled with years of fully complete exams/assignments from previous years. Now it's probably all electronic.

[Anonymous]

Is it fair to assume that any student that participated in this was kicked out? And that since that will make it obvious to colleges that there was academic dishonesty, they'll be penalized there? It would seem as though that means that Curie is out of business, because surely no one would choose a test prep center that destroys kids futures.

Those kids then need to sue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it fair to assume that any student that participated in this was kicked out? And that since that will make it obvious to colleges that there was academic dishonesty, they'll be penalized there? It would seem as though that means that Curie is out of business, because surely no one would choose a test prep center that destroys kids futures.

Those kids then need to sue.

Hmm I think Curie just pivots to prep for something else. If there's no incentive to prep for TJ, then students just start prepping for the SAT earlier. They might offer concierge consulting services to prep for the new TJ application process by helping to edit the essays and coach the student to engage in certain activities that the admissions office would find favorable. They haven't destroyed any futures, they've put a lot of kids into TJ. In order to have your case, someone who was complicit in the scheme would have to come forward. By coming forward, they destroy their own future. So it's not going to happen. Curie just pivots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it fair to assume that any student that participated in this was kicked out? And that since that will make it obvious to colleges that there was academic dishonesty, they'll be penalized there? It would seem as though that means that Curie is out of business, because surely no one would choose a test prep center that destroys kids futures.

Those kids then need to sue.

No kids have been kicked out of TJ.

Everyone knows who prepped at Curie since Curie (foolishly) published their names. This will likely come back to haunt them during college admissions if non-Curie families “cancel” the Curie students and send the lists to the admissions officers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it fair to assume that any student that participated in this was kicked out? And that since that will make it obvious to colleges that there was academic dishonesty, they'll be penalized there? It would seem as though that means that Curie is out of business, because surely no one would choose a test prep center that destroys kids futures.

Those kids then need to sue.

No kids have been kicked out of TJ.

Everyone knows who prepped at Curie since Curie (foolishly) published their names. This will likely come back to haunt them during college admissions if non-Curie families “cancel” the Curie students and send the lists to the admissions officers.

College admissions officers will have that list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it fair to assume that any student that participated in this was kicked out? And that since that will make it obvious to colleges that there was academic dishonesty, they'll be penalized there? It would seem as though that means that Curie is out of business, because surely no one would choose a test prep center that destroys kids futures.

Those kids then need to sue.

No kids have been kicked out of TJ.

Everyone knows who prepped at Curie since Curie (foolishly) published their names. This will likely come back to haunt them during college admissions if non-Curie families “cancel” the Curie students and send the lists to the admissions officers.

College admissions officers will have that list.

I doubt college admissions officers are going to think, oh this kid is from TJ? Lemme me check if he prepped at Curie. Only DCUM would do that. Even if someone sent the admissions office the list, it would probably be regarded as spam and disregarded. You overestimate the importance of this.