Is there any proof that Curie had the exact TJ test?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it fair to assume that any student that participated in this was kicked out? And that since that will make it obvious to colleges that there was academic dishonesty, they'll be penalized there? It would seem as though that means that Curie is out of business, because surely no one would choose a test prep center that destroys kids futures.

Those kids then need to sue.

No kids have been kicked out of TJ.

Everyone knows who prepped at Curie since Curie (foolishly) published their names. This will likely come back to haunt them during college admissions if non-Curie families “cancel” the Curie students and send the lists to the admissions officers.

College admissions officers will have that list.

I doubt college admissions officers are going to think, oh this kid is from TJ? Lemme me check if he prepped at Curie. Only DCUM would do that. Even if someone sent the admissions office the list, it would probably be regarded as spam and disregarded. You overestimate the importance of this.

Perhaps you are not familiar with the rat race of college admissions at selective high schools?

See this article to get a small flavor:

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/06/sidwell-friends-college-admissions-varsity-blues/591124/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it fair to assume that any student that participated in this was kicked out? And that since that will make it obvious to colleges that there was academic dishonesty, they'll be penalized there? It would seem as though that means that Curie is out of business, because surely no one would choose a test prep center that destroys kids futures.

Those kids then need to sue.

No kids have been kicked out of TJ.

Everyone knows who prepped at Curie since Curie (foolishly) published their names. This will likely come back to haunt them during college admissions if non-Curie families “cancel” the Curie students and send the lists to the admissions officers.

College admissions officers will have that list.

I doubt college admissions officers are going to think, oh this kid is from TJ? Lemme me check if he prepped at Curie. Only DCUM would do that. Even if someone sent the admissions office the list, it would probably be regarded as spam and disregarded. You overestimate the importance of this.

Perhaps you are not familiar with the rat race of college admissions at selective high schools?

See this article to get a small flavor:

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/06/sidwell-friends-college-admissions-varsity-blues/591124/

I don't follow the point of the link. Yes I believe there are parents who will throw other kids under the bus to benefit their own kids. However, the admissions office is probably going to filter through this crap. Varsity Blues? People are going to pay attention because Aunt Becky and Lynette from Desperate Housewives are involved. They want to make an example, because it wasn't even iffy prepping, it was fake rowing scholarships. Random kids from some high school in VA? Who cares?

[Anonymous]

This is just speculation with zero actual proof.

[Anonymous]

If one person has proof, that person should file a formal complaint with the school board.

The school board then should conduct an investigation and announce the results of that investigation.

If it is determined that some students got in unfairly, offers can be withdrawn.

So far we only have people spreading rumors anonymously...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The scandal is that kids were encouraged to memorize questions from their exams and report them back to Curie. Curie would teach the next group of kids including the memorized questions from the previous year. This provided Curie with a copy of past exams which would allow them to be able to teach their students how to prepare for the specific types of questions asked on the exam.

Students and parents sign non disclosure agreements where they agree to not discuss the test or test questions with anyone else. By memorizing and reporting the questions, the students violated that agreement. By teaching new students using those questions, Curie provided those students with a leg up on the exam because the students had already practiced the questions.

So in addition to taking a rigorous test, these kids memorized the questions at the same time and then relayed them with sufficient accuracy to a third party?

I'd love to see some evidence of this. I'd also love to see this NDA that kids sign, because it's effectively meaningless for a minor.

[Anonymous]

Whatever the case TJ admissions needs an overhaul.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The scandal is that kids were encouraged to memorize questions from their exams and report them back to Curie. Curie would teach the next group of kids including the memorized questions from the previous year. This provided Curie with a copy of past exams which would allow them to be able to teach their students how to prepare for the specific types of questions asked on the exam.

Students and parents sign non disclosure agreements where they agree to not discuss the test or test questions with anyone else. By memorizing and reporting the questions, the students violated that agreement. By teaching new students using those questions, Curie provided those students with a leg up on the exam because the students had already practiced the questions.

Yes, there's a poster who likes to pretend this never happened, but there are hundreds of accounts here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The scandal is that kids were encouraged to memorize questions from their exams and report them back to Curie. Curie would teach the next group of kids including the memorized questions from the previous year. This provided Curie with a copy of past exams which would allow them to be able to teach their students how to prepare for the specific types of questions asked on the exam.

Students and parents sign non disclosure agreements where they agree to not discuss the test or test questions with anyone else. By memorizing and reporting the questions, the students violated that agreement. By teaching new students using those questions, Curie provided those students with a leg up on the exam because the students had already practiced the questions.

Kids signing contracts makes the contract unenforceable. The kid violated nothing. If the parent was not the discloser of the info, he also did not violate the non disclosure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The scandal is that kids were encouraged to memorize questions from their exams and report them back to Curie. Curie would teach the next group of kids including the memorized questions from the previous year. This provided Curie with a copy of past exams which would allow them to be able to teach their students how to prepare for the specific types of questions asked on the exam.

Students and parents sign non disclosure agreements where they agree to not discuss the test or test questions with anyone else. By memorizing and reporting the questions, the students violated that agreement. By teaching new students using those questions, Curie provided those students with a leg up on the exam because the students had already practiced the questions.

Kids signing contracts makes the contract unenforceable. The kid violated nothing. If the parent was not the discloser of the info, he also did not violate the non disclosure.

Seems unethical and does explain why there's so much cheating at TJ.

[Anonymous]

How is it realistic that kids actually “memorize” the questions when aren’t they focused on doing as well as they can on the test? What do they care if they have accurately reported the questions for the next years’ cohort

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The scandal is that kids were encouraged to memorize questions from their exams and report them back to Curie. Curie would teach the next group of kids including the memorized questions from the previous year. This provided Curie with a copy of past exams which would allow them to be able to teach their students how to prepare for the specific types of questions asked on the exam.

Students and parents sign non disclosure agreements where they agree to not discuss the test or test questions with anyone else. By memorizing and reporting the questions, the students violated that agreement. By teaching new students using those questions, Curie provided those students with a leg up on the exam because the students had already practiced the questions.

Kids signing contracts makes the contract unenforceable. The kid violated nothing. If the parent was not the discloser of the info, he also did not violate the non disclosure.

Seems unethical and does explain why there's so much cheating at TJ.

Yes, unethical, but not illegal.

[Anonymous]

This whole problem was caused by TJ itself refusing to publish old tests, and pretending that by putting their heads in the sand, nobody would see the old tests.

They fixed that by getting rid of the test. Now it's just a personal character essay that is well known so everyone can practice gamint thst, and a weird little math+diversity essay, with past examples published on YouTube

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I keep hearing on here that 28% of TJ’s class cheated their way in. I do not consider test prep cheating. I am wondering if this is just a rumor. I find it highly unlikely that a test center would tell a student to steal a test.

How is this test administered?
Is it given multiple times and is it the same test?

The numbers are based on Curie posting a list of students who were admitted to TJ, AOS, and/or AET. What isn't clear is what number of the 133 kids accepted to TJ actually attended TJ. A lot of the kids were admitted into all of TJ, AOS, and AET. It's not clear that those kids chose TJ over the Loudoun academies. The number of Curie kids actually attending TJ would have been lower.

This also gets ignored a lot, but Quant-Q (+ ACT Aspire) only moves a kid to the semifinalist round. From there, they still need the grades, recommendations, achievements, etc. to be admitted. Kids who not only passed this hurdle for TJ, but also gained admissions to AOS and AET (which didn't use Quant-Q), didn't get there based on "cheating on the Quant-Q." They had to be very smart, strong students across the board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The scandal is that kids were encouraged to memorize questions from their exams and report them back to Curie. Curie would teach the next group of kids including the memorized questions from the previous year. This provided Curie with a copy of past exams which would allow them to be able to teach their students how to prepare for the specific types of questions asked on the exam.

Students and parents sign non disclosure agreements where they agree to not discuss the test or test questions with anyone else. By memorizing and reporting the questions, the students violated that agreement. By teaching new students using those questions, Curie provided those students with a leg up on the exam because the students had already practiced the questions.

Kids signing contracts makes the contract unenforceable. The kid violated nothing. If the parent was not the discloser of the info, he also did not violate the non disclosure.

Seems unethical and does explain why there's so much cheating at TJ.

Yes, unethical, but not illegal.

Are breaking NDAs illegal?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If one person has proof, that person should file a formal complaint with the school board.

The school board then should conduct an investigation and announce the results of that investigation.

If it is determined that some students got in unfairly, offers can be withdrawn.

So far we only have people spreading rumors anonymously...

They haven’t used that test in a few years. Why would anyone bother with a complaint or lawsuit?