How likely for save act to pass senate?

[Anonymous]

Everyone is forgetting Trump's birther vendetta against Obama. Even when Obama showed his birth certificate they said it was fake. When the state official said it was real and official, they said she was lying.

That's what it is going to be like. All the red stare officials denying the validity of blue state documents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.

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Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?

When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.

States have an office of vital records.

Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.

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Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?

When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.

States have an office of vital records.

Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.

DP and some states (mostly blue ones) do this by city/town/borough/township and those border can change over decades so it’s even harder to track down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.

+1

Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?

When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.

States have an office of vital records.

Are the vital records free? Can I get a free copy of my birth certificate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone is forgetting Trump's birther vendetta against Obama. Even when Obama showed his birth certificate they said it was fake. When the state official said it was real and official, they said she was lying.

That's what it is going to be like. All the red stare officials denying the validity of blue state documents.

I'll never forget showing up to vote in 2013, with both my driver's license and voter card, only to find out I had been unceremoniously dumped from the rolls. I hadn't moved, hadn't changed my name. The only thing I was guilty of was being a woman who lived in Fairfax County.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why not just amend the act to explicitly say marriage licenses count as proof of name change? What is the benefit of keeping it out if it creates this ongoing talking point?

…. It’s almost like it’s not in there for a reason…..

My (very legitimate) marriage license is typed on a plan white piece of paper, with a county stamp, a raised notary, and a couple of random signatures. And mine is only 21 years old. Can imagine what they looked like 40, 50, 60 years ago! It would be so easy to duplicate and actually proves nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone is forgetting Trump's birther vendetta against Obama. Even when Obama showed his birth certificate they said it was fake. When the state official said it was real and official, they said she was lying.

That's what it is going to be like. All the red stare officials denying the validity of blue state documents.

I'll never forget showing up to vote in 2013, with both my driver's license and voter card, only to find out I had been unceremoniously dumped from the rolls. I hadn't moved, hadn't changed my name. The only thing I was guilty of was being a woman who lived in Fairfax County.

Back in 2006 I voted absentee from college and had my vote challenged, which only showed up the day of the election, despite me returning my ballot immediately. I had voted in the primaries in person, I had just turned 18. I had to run around campus to find a fax machine to return my verification, which even in 2006 was a huge pain to find.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone is forgetting Trump's birther vendetta against Obama. Even when Obama showed his birth certificate they said it was fake. When the state official said it was real and official, they said she was lying.

That's what it is going to be like. All the red stare officials denying the validity of blue state documents.

I'll never forget showing up to vote in 2013, with both my driver's license and voter card, only to find out I had been unceremoniously dumped from the rolls. I hadn't moved, hadn't changed my name. The only thing I was guilty of was being a woman who lived in Fairfax County.

What are you leaving out of this story? This makes absolutely no sense at all.

I suspect you had moved and had not changed your address and that your documents did not match. Many people show up at the wrong polling place. Or maybe your polling place had changed.

I was an election officer--Fairfax does not --and did not in 2013-just drop you from the rolls. And, if there is a conflict they allow you to cast a provisional ballot. And, they have done this for far longer than 2013.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not just amend the act to explicitly say marriage licenses count as proof of name change? What is the benefit of keeping it out if it creates this ongoing talking point?

…. It’s almost like it’s not in there for a reason…..

My (very legitimate) marriage license is typed on a plan white piece of paper, with a county stamp, a raised notary, and a couple of random signatures. And mine is only 21 years old. Can imagine what they looked like 40, 50, 60 years ago! It would be so easy to duplicate and actually proves nothing.

Marriage licenses have been around for a very, very long time. And, yes, they usually have a notary stamp-though now it looks a little different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not just amend the act to explicitly say marriage licenses count as proof of name change? What is the benefit of keeping it out if it creates this ongoing talking point?

…. It’s almost like it’s not in there for a reason…..

My (very legitimate) marriage license is typed on a plan white piece of paper, with a county stamp, a raised notary, and a couple of random signatures. And mine is only 21 years old. Can imagine what they looked like 40, 50, 60 years ago! It would be so easy to duplicate and actually proves nothing.

Marriage licenses have been around for a very, very long time. And, yes, they usually have a notary stamp-though now it looks a little different.

So why can't they be used as proof of name change? Why not allow them in the Save Act?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone is forgetting Trump's birther vendetta against Obama. Even when Obama showed his birth certificate they said it was fake. When the state official said it was real and official, they said she was lying.

That's what it is going to be like. All the red stare officials denying the validity of blue state documents.

I'll never forget showing up to vote in 2013, with both my driver's license and voter card, only to find out I had been unceremoniously dumped from the rolls. I hadn't moved, hadn't changed my name. The only thing I was guilty of was being a woman who lived in Fairfax County.

What are you leaving out of this story? This makes absolutely no sense at all.

I suspect you had moved and had not changed your address and that your documents did not match. Many people show up at the wrong polling place. Or maybe your polling place had changed.

I was an election officer--Fairfax does not --and did not in 2013-just drop you from the rolls. And, if there is a conflict they allow you to cast a provisional ballot. And, they have done this for far longer than 2013.

I'm not leaving out anything important. I changed my name in 2004, moved in 2006 and had voted in every election since. I don't blame Fairfax - I feel like whatever happened came from the state government (it was Republican at the time).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.

+1

Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?

When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.

States have an office of vital records.

Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.

Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm

Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.

+1

Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?

When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.

States have an office of vital records.

Are the vital records free? Can I get a free copy of my birth certificate?

Nope. From my home state it was $90 just for 1 copy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not just amend the act to explicitly say marriage licenses count as proof of name change? What is the benefit of keeping it out if it creates this ongoing talking point?

…. It’s almost like it’s not in there for a reason…..

My (very legitimate) marriage license is typed on a plan white piece of paper, with a county stamp, a raised notary, and a couple of random signatures. And mine is only 21 years old. Can imagine what they looked like 40, 50, 60 years ago! It would be so easy to duplicate and actually proves nothing.

Marriage licenses have been around for a very, very long time. And, yes, they usually have a notary stamp-though now it looks a little different.

I was not married in this country. And lots of folks, esp in this age of destination weddings, were not married in the US.
So, we'd have to find a way to get that, pay to go through the courts to get our name changed, AND THEN apply for a passport (of approx. $160 plus the wait). This is a burden, financially and otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.

+1

Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?

When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.

States have an office of vital records.

Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.

Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm

Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.

We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.

Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.