Teachers Resigning Like Crazy?

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Anonymous wrote:Are their fewer teachers in pipeline?

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/09/27/a-dwindling-number-of-new-u-s-college-graduates-have-a-degree-in-education/

This is nothing new – this was a trend for years before Covid; the pandemic just accelerated what was already occurring.

Unless you’re one of the Karens up thread that doesn’t believe there are any teachers actually quitting, in which case this is all fake news.

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You teachers are sick if you're “not allowed” to use a toilet when you need to.

Not only are your administrators and school board doing nothing about this serious issue, but what about your good-for-nothing teachers’ union? What are they doing about this?

Buck up and demand some minimal human rights like going pee in a bathroom. Having to wear depends to pee is the most asinine thing I’ve heard.

Simple Solution:
You text the front office to have someone come sit with your students (asap) for a few minutes. What’s the big deal?

Spoken like someone who has no clue.

The main office staff isn’t sitting around twiddling thumbs. Everyone is busy. All the time. There aren’t enough adults in a school, and that’s a problem that will only get worse as teachers continue to quit.

Just had a sub at school tell a couple of us she could not do it every day-said she only take a couple of jobs a week because she needs a break on the other days. It's not good in schools.

It is so, so easy to look into the teaching world and find solutions. It’s a lot harder to actually be IN it. A teacher is responsible for far too much at every given moment of the day. We really are expected to do it all… all the time. And many of us do.

Many of us are also sick of it. I long for my old office job in college. I could eat when I wanted, pee when I wanted, sit alone if I wanted privacy, and I could actually get work done at work.

Hahahahhaha text the main office. Good lord, these people really do think they have all the answers don’t they?

DCUM parents offering up all these BS “solutions” and opinions should have to come sub for a week, not that they’d make it past day 1.

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Agree. I'm a sub and barely made it one week. Hats off to teachers who are able to keep their sanity AND actually teach.

Just had a sub tell some of us at school she's not sure how we survive a whole week. Said she spreads jobs out because it feels like too much to do a whole week in a school. Thats where we are in education...it's too much for most people. Teachers are leaving.

DP. I'm a sub and feel exactly the same way. I honesty don't know how teachers do it. I think the very worst of it is that there is no discipline for kids who are behavioral issues. Admin will do *nothing* to help. All they do is bray about the "responsive classroom" BS.

I’m a teacher and last week a kid said “school is draining, how do you stand it.” LMAO.

Real life is going to bite that kid in the behind.

DP. Nope. School is much worse than when we were there, and much worse than Real Life. It shouldn't be, but it is.

This has to be a joke.

Kids get a day off every other week. Can constantly retake or resubmit assignments when they don't like the grade, etc. School is so easy now. I wish I was a student.

Here's someone who isn't listening. Listening to kids, listening to teachers, listening to anything.

No I’m a teacher and they’re right. School is crazy easy for kids. It’s brutal for the adults but the kids do whatever. There was a kid screaming in the bathroom the other day I’M SO F- ING HIGH (and he definitely was, he was roaming the halls rapping after that and clearly perc’d up) and the testing administrator was like “just leave him alone, at least he’s here and can take the SOL.” I saw the principal walk a kid out of the auditorium yesterday and into the office; kid was roaming the halls again 5 minutes later talking to me about nothing at all. They will both end up passing all classes somehow because their teachers will be made to. School is a joke for the kids.

In the end, there seems to be a concerted effort for our school system to collapse, as long as the safety problems are ignored.

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Anonymous wrote:Are their fewer teachers in pipeline?

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/09/27/a-dwindling-number-of-new-u-s-college-graduates-have-a-degree-in-education/

This is nothing new – this was a trend for years before Covid; the pandemic just accelerated what was already occurring.

Unless you’re one of the Karens up thread that doesn’t believe there are any teachers actually quitting, in which case this is all fake news.

Any decent teacher wants to teach, not dodge angry, disturbed kids throwing chairs and flipping over the teacher’s desk.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS just released the results from the employee engagement survey, lol. One question was a type in answer, "describe your job in 1 word". The top 4 results were:

Overwhelmed
Stressed
Exhausted
Frustrated

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

The question: “I am optimistic about the future” didn’t fare so well.

I'm not a teacher, but I think we need to rethink how education is structured centered around what will help teachers thrive. Students will be more likely to thrive with teachers that do. Any demands on teachers--for supporting students, for admin, for adjusting to changing needs--need to be considered in the context of how can that be achieved while not undermining the fundamental need for teachers to thrive. There may be some unmet needs that it is the responsibility of society as a whole to figure out how to fund and meet those needs, not unfunded mandates placed upon schools.

US Society as a whole is a failure. Schools are supposed to educate, but we also have to feed, clothe and parent students; the minute we’re not available to do those things (see: April 2020 onward) it’s OUR fault, but the minute we suggest shifting that burden to another part of the societal safety net, the same people who screamed about closing school buildings, scream that we can’t spend the money on that type of thing.

Until teachers can get back to being teachers and not substitute parents things are just going to get worse.

It's not just parenting issues, but also ever expanding content, more access to teachers via technology from students and parents, and more expectations for teachers to post everything online/grade quickly, more requirements to provide accommodations for students with a range of learning needs etc. Each one of these things might seem reasonable but on whole the demands are unsustainable. Before new legislation is passed requiring anything or an admin creates a policy, a review of the new addition in light of a teacher's full job needs to considered--if we add this new thing, what gets taken away. If we require this, when does the time to do it during contracted hours occur?

This is getting ridiculous. Teachers used to grade things all the time. You can say that things are getting harder, but we all know that we received more grades from our teachers than our kids do.

Ok I'll say it....teachers didn't have all the extra demands from the count and ridiculous parent demands we have now. When kids were sent to the office they were dealt with and principals weren't afraid of giving consequences. Parents supported teachers and admin not question there every movement. Parents be parents tell your kids no-tell them when their behavior is not ok. I spend 85% of my day dealing with behaviors. ENOUGH! And I'm done with the do nothings in Gatehouse-we have enough of them doing nothing but creating more for teachers to do-teachers who are not in quiet office. You know what we don't have time to do TEACH-and it's not just the extras from the county it's because parents are not parenting. We shouldn't be spending more than half our day talking to your children about their behavior. For those parents who parent-thank you we see you.

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I was subbing the other day in a specials class and the teacher brought her class in. She looked absolutely haggard, wiped out, and exhausted as she handed me a list of her "behavioral" problems and asked me to score them while they were with me. I had them for half an hour and can't even imagine what her days are like with these kids. There couldn't possibly be any learning going on in that classroom - and not because of her. These kids need to be removed and taught separately. It is beyond unfair to pile them into a mainstream class and expect that teacher to deal with them all day, every day.

+1. This right here is the utter failure of the school board and administrators. Nothing will improve until you fix the root cause. That means voting very differently than we’re accustomed. Anyone ready for that?

Yes, because the GOP is so supportive of special education and has solutions for addressing their needs. As a reminder, here is the link for two GOP candidates for the FCPS schoolboard who withdrew after laughing at a child with autism who sang the national anthem: https://wjla.com/newsletter/fairfax-county-school-board-candidates-drops-out-youtube-national-anthem-controvery-harry-jackson-stephanie-lundquist-arora-republican-gop-november-election-gov-glenn-youngkin

Yes, the GOP is on top of special education alright.

DP. Not sure that clip has anything to do with anyone except the two people involved. You probably think the best way to teach special needs kids is by mainstreaming them, right? That has proven to be a failure. Neither the special needs kids nor the mainstream kids are learning anything. Do better.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are their fewer teachers in pipeline?

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/09/27/a-dwindling-number-of-new-u-s-college-graduates-have-a-degree-in-education/

This is nothing new – this was a trend for years before Covid; the pandemic just accelerated what was already occurring.

Unless you’re one of the Karens up thread that doesn’t believe there are any teachers actually quitting, in which case this is all fake news.

Any decent teacher wants to teach, not dodge angry, disturbed kids throwing chairs and flipping over the teacher’s desk.

Yup and we are seeing this at the elementary level....if one of these kids are in your Childs class.....your child is learning nothing. It's ridiculous what schools are dealing with ALL day!

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Anonymous wrote:Are their fewer teachers in pipeline?

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/09/27/a-dwindling-number-of-new-u-s-college-graduates-have-a-degree-in-education/

This is nothing new – this was a trend for years before Covid; the pandemic just accelerated what was already occurring.

Unless you’re one of the Karens up thread that doesn’t believe there are any teachers actually quitting, in which case this is all fake news.

Any decent teacher wants to teach, not dodge angry, disturbed kids throwing chairs and flipping over the teacher’s desk.

Yup and we are seeing this at the elementary level....if one of these kids are in your Childs class.....your child is learning nothing. It's ridiculous what schools are dealing with ALL day!

It’s like parents (when they vote) are digging the coffins for their own children. I don’t get it. As I just heard, people rather stick with their cult, than vote for their values. Low IQ?

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Anonymous wrote:Are their fewer teachers in pipeline?

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/09/27/a-dwindling-number-of-new-u-s-college-graduates-have-a-degree-in-education/

This is nothing new – this was a trend for years before Covid; the pandemic just accelerated what was already occurring.

Unless you’re one of the Karens up thread that doesn’t believe there are any teachers actually quitting, in which case this is all fake news.

Any decent teacher wants to teach, not dodge angry, disturbed kids throwing chairs and flipping over the teacher’s desk.

Yup and we are seeing this at the elementary level....if one of these kids are in your Childs class.....your child is learning nothing. It's ridiculous what schools are dealing with ALL day!

It’s like parents (when they vote) are digging the coffins for their own children. I don’t get it. As I just heard, people rather stick with their cult, than vote for their values. Low IQ?

Only the ones who consistently vote for a party that touts easy access to assault rifles as a “right.” I don’t get it either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are their fewer teachers in pipeline?

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/09/27/a-dwindling-number-of-new-u-s-college-graduates-have-a-degree-in-education/

This is nothing new – this was a trend for years before Covid; the pandemic just accelerated what was already occurring.

Unless you’re one of the Karens up thread that doesn’t believe there are any teachers actually quitting, in which case this is all fake news.

Any decent teacher wants to teach, not dodge angry, disturbed kids throwing chairs and flipping over the teacher’s desk.

I don’t have any of those, but I would like classes smaller than 28, students who don’t ignore every directive, admin who will back me up, parents who understand that their kid sometimes screws up and needs consequences, time to plan/grade/work instead of 373823 pointless PD days, a building that isn’t actively making me sick… you know, the little things.

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Anonymous wrote:Are their fewer teachers in pipeline?

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/09/27/a-dwindling-number-of-new-u-s-college-graduates-have-a-degree-in-education/

This is nothing new – this was a trend for years before Covid; the pandemic just accelerated what was already occurring.

Unless you’re one of the Karens up thread that doesn’t believe there are any teachers actually quitting, in which case this is all fake news.

Any decent teacher wants to teach, not dodge angry, disturbed kids throwing chairs and flipping over the teacher’s desk.

I don’t have any of those, but I would like classes smaller than 28, students who don’t ignore every directive, admin who will back me up, parents who understand that their kid sometimes screws up and needs consequences, time to plan/grade/work instead of 373823 pointless PD days, a building that isn’t actively making me sick… you know, the little things.

Yup. I have 150 students across 5 sections (they have to pay me more if i have 151+ so they were super careful not to go over that), plus 21 more in 4th period homeroom/intervention that somehow don't count toward my cap despite having to teach them and babysit behaviors.

I would kill to have smaller classes.

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Anonymous wrote:Are their fewer teachers in pipeline?

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/09/27/a-dwindling-number-of-new-u-s-college-graduates-have-a-degree-in-education/

This is nothing new – this was a trend for years before Covid; the pandemic just accelerated what was already occurring.

Unless you’re one of the Karens up thread that doesn’t believe there are any teachers actually quitting, in which case this is all fake news.

Any decent teacher wants to teach, not dodge angry, disturbed kids throwing chairs and flipping over the teacher’s desk.

I don’t have any of those, but I would like classes smaller than 28, students who don’t ignore every directive, admin who will back me up, parents who understand that their kid sometimes screws up and needs consequences, time to plan/grade/work instead of 373823 pointless PD days, a building that isn’t actively making me sick… you know, the little things.

Yup. I have 150 students across 5 sections (they have to pay me more if i have 151+ so they were super careful not to go over that), plus 21 more in 4th period homeroom/intervention that somehow don't count toward my cap despite having to teach them and babysit behaviors.

I would kill to have smaller classes.

Before I taught here, I taught in Las Vegas. Our average class size there was 40-50 and could balloon up to 55-60 (though that only happened to me once) with the same number of sections. With more ELLs, similar special education issues, but less paperwork. Nobody sues in Vegas I guess so they aren't as strict about dotting every i and crossing every t in documentation. Kids who really needed IEPs didn't have them because their parents really didn't know what to advocate for or resisted labeling. I think the really hard thing here is that expectations are a lot higher. I thought it was going to be a breeze coming here with the lower class sizes and higher pay, but it feels similarly overwhelming (and everything costs more) and the parents and the curriculum are more demanding. It ends up being about the same level of stress but with different stressors.

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Anonymous wrote:Are their fewer teachers in pipeline?

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/09/27/a-dwindling-number-of-new-u-s-college-graduates-have-a-degree-in-education/

This is nothing new – this was a trend for years before Covid; the pandemic just accelerated what was already occurring.

Unless you’re one of the Karens up thread that doesn’t believe there are any teachers actually quitting, in which case this is all fake news.

Any decent teacher wants to teach, not dodge angry, disturbed kids throwing chairs and flipping over the teacher’s desk.

Yup and we are seeing this at the elementary level....if one of these kids are in your Childs class.....your child is learning nothing. It's ridiculous what schools are dealing with ALL day!

It’s like parents (when they vote) are digging the coffins for their own children. I don’t get it. As I just heard, people rather stick with their cult, than vote for their values. Low IQ?

Yes the uneducated.

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Anonymous wrote:From what I've witnessed kids are behaving better this year than at the beginning of the 2021-22 school year, when middle school students and 9th graders seemed particularly feral. It's just going to take some time given the disruption to learning and development. Parents can't expect teachers to be miracle workers nor can teachers expect parents to have fully compensated for the disruption forced upon them by the public schools. What the teachers can and should do is push back against the refusal of school administrators to discipline students or the imposition of oppressive training and ongoing reporting requirements that interferes with their ability to function effectively in a classroom.

Wow. Thank you for this measured response. That all makes complete and utter sense and you show that there is a way through. Thank you. I hope someone in power will listen to you!

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Can the teachers use collective bargaining to get disruptive kids out of the classroom???

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Anonymous wrote:Can the teachers use collective bargaining to get disruptive kids out of the classroom???

No. IDEA will trump everything.

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Anonymous wrote:Can the teachers use collective bargaining to get disruptive kids out of the classroom???

They'll just be able to get themselves out of the classroom in some cases in which students have threatened or assaulted them, if they can get a protective order.

The struggling kids will stay right there in the mainstream setting, disrupting the classes of dozens of kids who are ready to learn.

People with means will put their kids in private schools, which can more easily expel kids and more easily fire teachers who don't toe the line.

This is what the 0.1% wants. And they're getting it.