Teachers Resigning Like Crazy?

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Anonymous wrote:Can the teachers use collective bargaining to get disruptive kids out of the classroom???

They'll just be able to get themselves out of the classroom in some cases in which students have threatened or assaulted them, if they can get a protective order.

The struggling kids will stay right there in the mainstream setting, disrupting the classes of dozens of kids who are ready to learn.

People with means will put their kids in private schools, which can more easily expel kids and more easily fire teachers who don't toe the line.

This is what the 0.1% wants. And they're getting it.

I taught at a private school once and part of what the “private can kick anyone out” convo misses is that even though they can, they usually don’t. Because a) that’s losing tuition and b) the parents have money to sue. So kids with shitty behavior stick around privates too.

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None of the classroom teachers in my school have more than 5-7 years of experience. More experienced teachers are either leaving the profession or leaving the classroom for specialized positions that are more conducive to feel safe & calm and having a work-life balance. Our “mentor teacher” was only in the classroom for four years. Without the guidance of more experienced teachers, these new teachers are struggling more than should be necessary.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can the teachers use collective bargaining to get disruptive kids out of the classroom???

They'll just be able to get themselves out of the classroom in some cases in which students have threatened or assaulted them, if they can get a protective order.

The struggling kids will stay right there in the mainstream setting, disrupting the classes of dozens of kids who are ready to learn.

People with means will put their kids in private schools, which can more easily expel kids and more easily fire teachers who don't toe the line.

This is what the 0.1% wants. And they're getting it.

I taught at a private school once and part of what the “private can kick anyone out” convo misses is that even though they can, they usually don’t. Because a) that’s losing tuition and b) the parents have money to sue. So kids with shitty behavior stick around privates too.

PP here. This is very true, but there is a limit that is *sometimes* reached.

The State HAS to “educate” all children. And because we have idiots who are never in schools deciding how districts deal with troubled kids, that limit is now sky high.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can the teachers use collective bargaining to get disruptive kids out of the classroom???

No. IDEA will trump everything.

THIS!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can the teachers use collective bargaining to get disruptive kids out of the classroom???

They'll just be able to get themselves out of the classroom in some cases in which students have threatened or assaulted them, if they can get a protective order.

The struggling kids will stay right there in the mainstream setting, disrupting the classes of dozens of kids who are ready to learn.

People with means will put their kids in private schools, which can more easily expel kids and more easily fire teachers who don't toe the line.

This is what the 0.1% wants. And they're getting it.

I taught at a private school once and part of what the “private can kick anyone out” convo misses is that even though they can, they usually don’t. Because a) that’s losing tuition and b) the parents have money to sue. So kids with shitty behavior stick around privates too.

PP here. This is very true, but there is a limit that is *sometimes* reached.

The State HAS to “educate” all children. And because we have idiots who are never in schools deciding how districts deal with troubled kids, that limit is now sky high.

PP here. You are absolutely right. I can’t even believe the devolution of public schools in the last 5 years. It defies reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can the teachers use collective bargaining to get disruptive kids out of the classroom???

They'll just be able to get themselves out of the classroom in some cases in which students have threatened or assaulted them, if they can get a protective order.

The struggling kids will stay right there in the mainstream setting, disrupting the classes of dozens of kids who are ready to learn.

People with means will put their kids in private schools, which can more easily expel kids and more easily fire teachers who don't toe the line.

This is what the 0.1% wants. And they're getting it.

I taught at a private school once and part of what the “private can kick anyone out” convo misses is that even though they can, they usually don’t. Because a) that’s losing tuition and b) the parents have money to sue. So kids with shitty behavior stick around privates too.

Also, if there’s a dispute between students, a private school will often side with the student whose family is more lucrative to the school, rather than the student who was in the right. What that means to all y’all reading this message board and threatening to take your kids to private school is that if this situation happens, your kid is the less lucrative party.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can the teachers use collective bargaining to get disruptive kids out of the classroom???

They'll just be able to get themselves out of the classroom in some cases in which students have threatened or assaulted them, if they can get a protective order.

The struggling kids will stay right there in the mainstream setting, disrupting the classes of dozens of kids who are ready to learn.

People with means will put their kids in private schools, which can more easily expel kids and more easily fire teachers who don't toe the line.

This is what the 0.1% wants. And they're getting it.

I taught at a private school once and part of what the “private can kick anyone out” convo misses is that even though they can, they usually don’t. Because a) that’s losing tuition and b) the parents have money to sue. So kids with shitty behavior stick around privates too.

Also, if there’s a dispute between students, a private school will often side with the student whose family is more lucrative to the school, rather than the student who was in the right. What that means to all y’all reading this message board and threatening to take your kids to private school is that if this situation happens, your kid is the less lucrative party.

Liar. No private is hurting for applicants these days.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can the teachers use collective bargaining to get disruptive kids out of the classroom???

They'll just be able to get themselves out of the classroom in some cases in which students have threatened or assaulted them, if they can get a protective order.

The struggling kids will stay right there in the mainstream setting, disrupting the classes of dozens of kids who are ready to learn.

People with means will put their kids in private schools, which can more easily expel kids and more easily fire teachers who don't toe the line.

This is what the 0.1% wants. And they're getting it.

I taught at a private school once and part of what the “private can kick anyone out” convo misses is that even though they can, they usually don’t. Because a) that’s losing tuition and b) the parents have money to sue. So kids with shitty behavior stick around privates too.

PP here. This is very true, but there is a limit that is *sometimes* reached.

The State HAS to “educate” all children. And because we have idiots who are never in schools deciding how districts deal with troubled kids, that limit is now sky high.

PP here. You are absolutely right. I can’t even believe the devolution of public schools in the last 5 years. It defies reason.

There’s myth perpetuated by administrators. There’s no law saying that teachers must endure constant violence in their classrooms.

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Somehow this thread jumped from 30 to 60 pages in two days. What's new? Oh the Republicans know that trolling these boards worked two years ago, so they are at it again. Stirring up T-R-O-U-B-L-E

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is this happening anywhere else? My DC's ES has has have five teachers resign mid year. Is this normal? What is happening?!

No, it's not normal. Nothing is normal anymore.

Well said. People will need to homeschool or do private.

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You teachers are sick if you're “not allowed” to use a toilet when you need to.

Not only are your administrators and school board doing nothing about this serious issue, but what about your good-for-nothing teachers’ union? What are they doing about this?

Buck up and demand some minimal human rights like going pee in a bathroom. Having to wear depends to pee is the most asinine thing I’ve heard.

Simple Solution:
You text the front office to have someone come sit with your students (asap) for a few minutes. What’s the big deal?

Spoken like someone who has no clue.

The main office staff isn’t sitting around twiddling thumbs. Everyone is busy. All the time. There aren’t enough adults in a school, and that’s a problem that will only get worse as teachers continue to quit.

Just had a sub at school tell a couple of us she could not do it every day-said she only take a couple of jobs a week because she needs a break on the other days. It's not good in schools.

It is so, so easy to look into the teaching world and find solutions. It’s a lot harder to actually be IN it. A teacher is responsible for far too much at every given moment of the day. We really are expected to do it all… all the time. And many of us do.

Many of us are also sick of it. I long for my old office job in college. I could eat when I wanted, pee when I wanted, sit alone if I wanted privacy, and I could actually get work done at work.

Hahahahhaha text the main office. Good lord, these people really do think they have all the answers don’t they?

DCUM parents offering up all these BS “solutions” and opinions should have to come sub for a week, not that they’d make it past day 1.

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Agree. I'm a sub and barely made it one week. Hats off to teachers who are able to keep their sanity AND actually teach.

Just had a sub tell some of us at school she's not sure how we survive a whole week. Said she spreads jobs out because it feels like too much to do a whole week in a school. Thats where we are in education...it's too much for most people. Teachers are leaving.

DP. I'm a sub and feel exactly the same way. I honesty don't know how teachers do it. I think the very worst of it is that there is no discipline for kids who are behavioral issues. Admin will do *nothing* to help. All they do is bray about the "responsive classroom" BS.

I’m a teacher and last week a kid said “school is draining, how do you stand it.” LMAO.

Real life is going to bite that kid in the behind.

DP. Nope. School is much worse than when we were there, and much worse than Real Life. It shouldn't be, but it is.

School has become a circus thanks to parents and their out of control children. I know many who are leaving-none of it is worth the stress

I don't think this is totally it. It's EVERYBODY pointing to teachers to solve all the problems in the education system and even the country.

No, teachers have been rendered powerless, thanks to school boards and administrators. Let’s be honest here.

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Absolutely impotent, through no fault of their own.

Really? No fault? Most of these changing requirements are a reaction to the faults of a significant minority of biased and unethical teachers. This generation of parents are less likely to believe teachers over their own child based on their own experiences with teachers in childhood. The public has now decided that teachers have too much power to discipline and exclude children so they have stripped that power away. Unfortunately that means that good teachers are left without any tools to discourage misbehavior and few incentives to encourage it. I can’t even blame most of the kids for acting out because that is human nature. They are pushing limits only to discover that there are none.

You are impressively, impressively wrong. And parents like you are the vast majority of the problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From what I've witnessed kids are behaving better this year than at the beginning of the 2021-22 school year, when middle school students and 9th graders seemed particularly feral. It's just going to take some time given the disruption to learning and development. Parents can't expect teachers to be miracle workers nor can teachers expect parents to have fully compensated for the disruption forced upon them by the public schools. What the teachers can and should do is push back against the refusal of school administrators to discipline students or the imposition of oppressive training and ongoing reporting requirements that interferes with their ability to function effectively in a classroom.

Wow. Thank you for this measured response. That all makes complete and utter sense and you show that there is a way through. Thank you. I hope someone in power will listen to you!

It was a load of nonsense. Sorry, parents, it’s 2023 and kids have been in person for a long damn time. Time to retire the tired pandemic excuse. If your kids went feral during DL, that’s on no one but YOU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher and right now I want to call in sick and just not care that I don’t show up and let someone else deal with it. I’m so sick of the rain and behaviors and colleagues.

I have a teammate who is very incapable of the job but it’s a filled position so admin won’t do anything and have another position to hire for next year.

There is also inconsistency across the county. I think about leaving but how do I find a good admin and strong team when no one wants to leave those schools? We still have schools like this.

You find the current weather problematic?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From what I've witnessed kids are behaving better this year than at the beginning of the 2021-22 school year, when middle school students and 9th graders seemed particularly feral. It's just going to take some time given the disruption to learning and development. Parents can't expect teachers to be miracle workers nor can teachers expect parents to have fully compensated for the disruption forced upon them by the public schools. What the teachers can and should do is push back against the refusal of school administrators to discipline students or the imposition of oppressive training and ongoing reporting requirements that interferes with their ability to function effectively in a classroom.

Wow. Thank you for this measured response. That all makes complete and utter sense and you show that there is a way through. Thank you. I hope someone in power will listen to you!

It was a load of nonsense. Sorry, parents, it’s 2023 and kids have been in person for a long damn time. Time to retire the tired pandemic excuse. If your kids went feral during DL, that’s on no one but YOU.

As a teacher I just want to repeat something I mentioned in another thread or earlier than this one, can’t remember: the issue with schools right now is not solely attributable to a 6 month break that happened 3 years ago. That doesn’t hold water anymore, not least of which because the issues perseverate down to kids who weren’t IN school when the pandemic happened. K and 1st are a mess too- those kids were not in school or affected by any online learning.

What is happening is we have an entire k-12 generation who has grown up on handheld screens and lack of real life activity and engagement. Their parents (not all, but the parents who have helped create these issues) parented them by shoving a screen in their hands from toddlerhood. Todays seniors were born in 2005. By 2007-2008 when they were 2/3, their parents had a smartphone with apps and videos. They grew up sitting at dinner tables mindlessly staring at YouTube and shoveling food in their face. They got their verbal language from an app or video. Same with motor skills. My students are in 10th grade and all say they don’t even eat as a family - they all grab a plate and go watch a screen somewhere in the house. This is the norm.

So, right in line with this generation being raised this way, schools concurrently realized oh shit, discipline data looks bad . Let’s just stop disciplining these behaviors and then the bad data goes away. A generation of kids have been raised on terrible reading curriculum so they can’t meaningfully read either. They’ve been raised on screens and have no attention span, few true social skills, lack of reading and writing skills, and parents who don’t know what to do now that they’re too old to just shove in the corner with a phone. So what do the kids do? Cope the only way they know how- shove themselves in a corner to numb out on a screen.

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