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Anonymous wrote:There's a big disconnect between the people who try to correlate TJ admissions reforms with improvements in students' mental health.

The Asian kids whom they implicitly suggest are hyper-competitive and toxic will not have different parents or abandon their ambitions if they are attending Langley or Chantilly rather than TJ.

URMs who end up in the rigorous, demanding environment of TJ may be particularly prone to self-doubt and feelings of inadequacy if they can't keep up with the curriculum (see "imposter syndrome").

If you think TJHSST is problematic, then you should be advocating for the winding-down of the competitive magnet program. And if you think it's up to the system to take actions to reduce the pressure on students county-wide, get rid of the IB Diploma program and cap the number of AP courses kids can take.

Instead, you've somehow convinced yourself that implementing a more random admissions system at TJ will make the school a kinder and gentler place and have big ripple effects throughout FCPS. Most of us aren't buying it. The changes were a crude way to do anything other than just provide a small number of kids who'd otherwise attend low-performing schools with somewhat higher odds of attending a better school.

Would totally support that. I think all sports in college should be club.

I absolutely think we should wind down TJ! And scale AAP way back, if not eliminate it. Most kids do not “need” these programs and we spend a ton of money on a very few kids. I’d rather see us spread the money around and raise the bar for everyone.

I want to point out that it is a racists assumption that an URM will be overwhelmed and cannot survive at TJ. If that is true, what is the answer? Let them whither on the vine and not reach their potential? How do URMs ever get ahead then? How do we ever level the playing field and keep TJ? It is an argument in favor of getting rid of TJ and sending the money to the schools where kids have lower resources. Why should a bunch of relatively high income kids get all the benefits? Find a way to make it accessible to all without extensive prep and courses that sell the answers or get rid of it.

Destroy the best high school in the country because a certain group is underrepresented?

Keep it and allow only a privileged few to benefit?

How about canceling NBA since only a privileged few can get into it?

Not at all the same. The NBA is not a public school that is supposed to provide a free and appropriate education for all funded by tax dollars.

Why don’t we cancel UVA’s D-1 basketball program. Or Alabama’s football? Or D-1 athletics everywhere in public universities. There is a remarkable lack of diversity among the athletes. Much of D-1 is funded by scholarships i.e. tax dollars

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Anonymous wrote:The real privilege on academic is intelligence. Who should be responsible for your lacking of intelligence? You can make it up if you are willing to be diligent. The reality is, those people who speak loud about the academic privilege are those who have neither intelligence nor diligence.

You are such a smug jerk. You have no idea others’ IQ. Justify yourself however you need to. Just because your kid has been prepping since pre-k does not mean they are intelligent. And the problem that you fail to acknowledge is that there are some people who don’t have the privilege to do that. Get out of your little insular world and try to stand in someone else’s shoes for a minute. It’s not that everyone else is lazy and stupid. Other people have different circumstances that you know nothing about. Try, just try to imagine that someone else may be in a different situation.

No matter in what circumstances, responsible people should do their part well first before trying to pull others back.

Says the person of privilege who has never suffered. Nobody is trying to pull you back. They are trying to help those who are disadvantaged and need a little help to get to the same place. Don’t we want a society where all kids are well educated or do you just care about your own? Never mind. Don’t answer. I already know the answer.

Not all Asians are smart. Some can study all they want and take all the prep courses available and they may not even qualify to apply. No, there will not be equality of academic intelligence.
Do you know that many prep centers do not select everyone? They have to take a test to qualify. Many who do take prep classes are usually smart enough to not need them. It is just that many parents do not want to have any doubt about providing the best for their kids.

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Anonymous wrote:The real privilege on academic is intelligence. Who should be responsible for your lacking of intelligence? You can make it up if you are willing to be diligent. The reality is, those people who speak loud about the academic privilege are those who have neither intelligence nor diligence.

You are such a smug jerk. You have no idea others’ IQ. Justify yourself however you need to. Just because your kid has been prepping since pre-k does not mean they are intelligent. And the problem that you fail to acknowledge is that there are some people who don’t have the privilege to do that. Get out of your little insular world and try to stand in someone else’s shoes for a minute. It’s not that everyone else is lazy and stupid. Other people have different circumstances that you know nothing about. Try, just try to imagine that someone else may be in a different situation.

No matter in what circumstances, responsible people should do their part well first before trying to pull others back.

Says the person of privilege who has never suffered. Nobody is trying to pull you back. They are trying to help those who are disadvantaged and need a little help to get to the same place. Don’t we want a society where all kids are well educated or do you just care about your own? Never mind. Don’t answer. I already know the answer.

Not all Asians are smart. Some can study all they want and take all the prep courses available and they may not even qualify to apply. No, there will not be equality of academic intelligence.
Do you know that many prep centers do not select everyone? They have to take a test to qualify. Many who do take prep classes are usually smart enough to not need them. It is just that many parents do not want to have any doubt about providing the best for their kids.

True, this is what no one gets it really. Most kids that take prep classes are already pretty smart, otherwise, they can't really keep up with that extra workload. Yes, I agree that not everyone can afford it and definitely not fair. Parents pay for prep schools, not for the teaching, but for the material and schedule. 1hr/week is hardly considered teaching and usually spent in answering the questions about homework more than anything. If you are familiar with kumon, prep centers aren't much different and students are given homework that they are expected to finish in a week at their own pace. Whether they actually do and don't is upto to the students. Yes, similar material can be found in bunch of books, but its difficult for students to stick to a schedule and/or have someone to clear their doubts. Thats all there is to it. Some claim there is cheating involved, and if there is actually any cheating, it would have been caught and prep centers would have been sued/closed by now and there is no concrete proof expect for some speculation about similar questions appeared in a test (I have seen kids say exact same questions they practiced appeared in SAT as well), there are not millions of different questions and if you practice enough of them, you are eventually going to encounter questions that you are very familiar with. Finally, I am not saying prepping is good or bad. As long as there is a demand for it, there will be availability. There are prep classes for SAT or any sort of screening test/process. If you are not aware, there are now many exclusive prep classes for TJ essays, considering how important these stupid essays are

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Anonymous wrote:The real privilege on academic is intelligence. Who should be responsible for your lacking of intelligence? You can make it up if you are willing to be diligent. The reality is, those people who speak loud about the academic privilege are those who have neither intelligence nor diligence.

You are such a smug jerk. You have no idea others’ IQ. Justify yourself however you need to. Just because your kid has been prepping since pre-k does not mean they are intelligent. And the problem that you fail to acknowledge is that there are some people who don’t have the privilege to do that. Get out of your little insular world and try to stand in someone else’s shoes for a minute. It’s not that everyone else is lazy and stupid. Other people have different circumstances that you know nothing about. Try, just try to imagine that someone else may be in a different situation.

No matter in what circumstances, responsible people should do their part well first before trying to pull others back.

Says the person of privilege who has never suffered. Nobody is trying to pull you back. They are trying to help those who are disadvantaged and need a little help to get to the same place. Don’t we want a society where all kids are well educated or do you just care about your own? Never mind. Don’t answer. I already know the answer.

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This isn’t about you. And the more you scream and protest any possible change the more you look like an entitled opportunity hoarder.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see much evidence that Asian kids flooded into "under-represented" middle schools like Whitman and Holmes this past year to "game" the new process.

It seems more likely to me that Asian families will just anchor in the top pyramids so they can hedge their bets (still have their kids apply to TJ, but rest assured that the alternative is Langley/McLean/Oakton/Chantilly/Woodson). And, as TJ becomes seen primarily as an alternative to lower-performing high schools, fewer of their kids will apply, just like Asian families in MoCo send their kids to Wootton with only some considering the Blair magnet.

Correct. Asian will stay in top school zones.

Some will have a small house in a lower ranked area and a larger house in the top zone.

Seems so overkill for high school. TJ is just a high school in the end. No one cares if you went to TJ later in life and college outcomes aren’t really better because it’s so competitive. If you read their confessional page, cheating is rampant and kids are totally unhappy. It’s crazy to me that folks are this desperate for TJ. Get a life.

TJ is soooo shiny.

This thread is intended for people interested in TJ. This is not a place to bash TJ as that point is going to fall on deaf ears. What is your purpose except maybe as someone embittered that TJ is unattainable?

I’m not bashing TJ. I’m bashing the parents who have been plotting their child’s path for TJ admissions since 2nd grade because they are obsessed with the prestige.

Why would you bash parents who want their kids to be successful? You seem to be obsessed with perpetuating a particular stereotype of a TJ applicant in the past in order to justify a new process that, as this thread indicates, has been anything but smooth. You've offered next to nothing to suggest that the new process is better at identifying students who may have an actual interest in, or aptitude for, STEM.

I'm bashing parents fostering an unhealthy, toxic environment for our kids.

You could always raise your kids as you see fit, and stop interfering with how other parents raise theirs.

It reeks of privilege for people like you to assert that other parents are somehow fostering an "unhealthy, toxic environment" for your kids. It's like you think you're the ones who should always decide the rules and the appropriate cultural norms.

Hmm. I wonder why teen suicides are out of control. Don’t get me wrong, I blame the sports parents, too. It’s all too much! I feel horrible for these kids who have been robbed of their childhood and expected to plan for a career (or to be an Olympian, get a scholarship, etc) from early childhood. It’s so messed up.

You could just as readily ascribe blame to FCPS officials for keeping schools closed so long, with the resultant isolation, lack of social interaction with peers, and loss of learning. That seems to have much more of an impact on students' mental health than parents encouraging their kids to participate in a Science Olympiad or to apply to TJ.

But, again, if you think it's up to FCPS to counter parents who "rob kids of their childhood," then the logical inference is that you should be advocating for the elimination of the STEM magnet at TJ, and not tinkering with the admissions process to admit more kids who may not be up to the school's challenges.

See, if is all very obvious. The white parents have a playbook which kept them on top. And which they think is the right thing to do. The Asians have a different playbook that they saw. Now that the Asian playbook is winning, whites want to say it is a bad toxi playbook. For a while, whites were embarassed that a minority was doing well. And grudgingly let it go. Then the envy got too much and they started saying you are no longer a minority - let's use the URM weapon to bash them. And here we are. Whatever argument you have - there is a counter. You Asians are just privileged, overworking, cheating, unidimensina, toxic people who need to be replaced. Never mind what your background/income levels are. This is a moment in time to vilify you. There is an absolute problem with the black community which needs to be addressed, but we just have some immigrant kids with motivated patents from Africa and South America being accidental winners here. All power to them. No real impact in areas where there should be. Of course as long as the end result is less Asians. whites are heaving a sigh of temporary relief. There!

Nope.

Whites DGAF. When we looked at the application data on an earlier thread, only 50% of eligible white kids even bothered to apply compared to 90%+ black and Asian kids. White families aren’t “envious” at all.

The community looked at how this valuable resource was being utilized and it was monopolized by a small group of wealthy middle schools. And there were embarrassingly few URMs or ED kids. 0.6% ED in 2024.

Maybe it’s white guilt for building such an unfair system. But it’s certainly not “envy”. You are totally off base.

I disagree. I'm white, and for the most part, white people love the prestige. They just don't want to put in the work like Asian kids do. In this forum alone, there have been numerous threads with parents complaining that their white kids are behind the Asian kids, despite their white kids' superior "natural aptitude." White people want to disincentivize anyone getting rewarded for working harder than they're willing to work. Even in this thread, there are suggestions that the Asian work ethic is toxic, the kids are suffering due to the high expectations, and Asians are doing things wrong because no one is supposed to work that hard in America.

The TJ reform is all about taking away any and all incentives for Asian kids to dominate in academics. If Asian kids are knocked down a few pegs or stop trying so hard, it flows that white kids will look better in comparison. White kids weren't especially interested in TJ because it required too much work for too little gain. If TJ gets watered down and no longer has so many strong Asian students at the top of the class, white kids will flock back.

I have never seen that on here. Examples?

And TJ reform isn’t about knocking down Asian students; it’s an attempt to lift others up by leveling the playing field. This admissions process isn’t perfect but it’s a step in the right direction.

And the civil war was about states’ rights - really it was. It so happened that some citizens of a certain race were impacted. I was not about them. It was all about preserving the federal nature of the union. Just ask the African Americans how they felt.

P.S. ~ don’t be tone deaf. Listen to your Asian neighbors. If they feel wronged then maybe this reform had something to do with it? See what happened in San Francisco with the school board.

Have your listening years on and you will be a more effective and impactful reformer.

What about the Asians who support reform?
https://www.advancingjustice-aajc.org/press-release/civil-rights-groups-submit-amicus-brief-support-race-neutral-admissions-policy-thomas

Why is it that you think only one subset of the population should have a voice? What about everyone else?

Still waiting on the answer to this.

Do you seek out Clarence Thomas and Herschel Walker when you need input on African American issues?

False equivalence. AAAJ are not crazy extremists.

Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

You wanted your answer - there you have it.

You think AAAJ are crazy extremists? Based on what?

And you haven’t answered why you think only one small subset of the population should have a voice? What about everyone else?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see much evidence that Asian kids flooded into "under-represented" middle schools like Whitman and Holmes this past year to "game" the new process.

It seems more likely to me that Asian families will just anchor in the top pyramids so they can hedge their bets (still have their kids apply to TJ, but rest assured that the alternative is Langley/McLean/Oakton/Chantilly/Woodson). And, as TJ becomes seen primarily as an alternative to lower-performing high schools, fewer of their kids will apply, just like Asian families in MoCo send their kids to Wootton with only some considering the Blair magnet.

Correct. Asian will stay in top school zones.

Some will have a small house in a lower ranked area and a larger house in the top zone.

Seems so overkill for high school. TJ is just a high school in the end. No one cares if you went to TJ later in life and college outcomes aren’t really better because it’s so competitive. If you read their confessional page, cheating is rampant and kids are totally unhappy. It’s crazy to me that folks are this desperate for TJ. Get a life.

TJ is soooo shiny.

This thread is intended for people interested in TJ. This is not a place to bash TJ as that point is going to fall on deaf ears. What is your purpose except maybe as someone embittered that TJ is unattainable?

I’m not bashing TJ. I’m bashing the parents who have been plotting their child’s path for TJ admissions since 2nd grade because they are obsessed with the prestige.

Why would you bash parents who want their kids to be successful? You seem to be obsessed with perpetuating a particular stereotype of a TJ applicant in the past in order to justify a new process that, as this thread indicates, has been anything but smooth. You've offered next to nothing to suggest that the new process is better at identifying students who may have an actual interest in, or aptitude for, STEM.

I'm bashing parents fostering an unhealthy, toxic environment for our kids.

You could always raise your kids as you see fit, and stop interfering with how other parents raise theirs.

It reeks of privilege for people like you to assert that other parents are somehow fostering an "unhealthy, toxic environment" for your kids. It's like you think you're the ones who should always decide the rules and the appropriate cultural norms.

Hmm. I wonder why teen suicides are out of control. Don’t get me wrong, I blame the sports parents, too. It’s all too much! I feel horrible for these kids who have been robbed of their childhood and expected to plan for a career (or to be an Olympian, get a scholarship, etc) from early childhood. It’s so messed up.

You could just as readily ascribe blame to FCPS officials for keeping schools closed so long, with the resultant isolation, lack of social interaction with peers, and loss of learning. That seems to have much more of an impact on students' mental health than parents encouraging their kids to participate in a Science Olympiad or to apply to TJ.

But, again, if you think it's up to FCPS to counter parents who "rob kids of their childhood," then the logical inference is that you should be advocating for the elimination of the STEM magnet at TJ, and not tinkering with the admissions process to admit more kids who may not be up to the school's challenges.

See, if is all very obvious. The white parents have a playbook which kept them on top. And which they think is the right thing to do. The Asians have a different playbook that they saw. Now that the Asian playbook is winning, whites want to say it is a bad toxi playbook. For a while, whites were embarassed that a minority was doing well. And grudgingly let it go. Then the envy got too much and they started saying you are no longer a minority - let's use the URM weapon to bash them. And here we are. Whatever argument you have - there is a counter. You Asians are just privileged, overworking, cheating, unidimensina, toxic people who need to be replaced. Never mind what your background/income levels are. This is a moment in time to vilify you. There is an absolute problem with the black community which needs to be addressed, but we just have some immigrant kids with motivated patents from Africa and South America being accidental winners here. All power to them. No real impact in areas where there should be. Of course as long as the end result is less Asians. whites are heaving a sigh of temporary relief. There!

Nope.

Whites DGAF. When we looked at the application data on an earlier thread, only 50% of eligible white kids even bothered to apply compared to 90%+ black and Asian kids. White families aren’t “envious” at all.

The community looked at how this valuable resource was being utilized and it was monopolized by a small group of wealthy middle schools. And there were embarrassingly few URMs or ED kids. 0.6% ED in 2024.

Maybe it’s white guilt for building such an unfair system. But it’s certainly not “envy”. You are totally off base.

I disagree. I'm white, and for the most part, white people love the prestige. They just don't want to put in the work like Asian kids do. In this forum alone, there have been numerous threads with parents complaining that their white kids are behind the Asian kids, despite their white kids' superior "natural aptitude." White people want to disincentivize anyone getting rewarded for working harder than they're willing to work. Even in this thread, there are suggestions that the Asian work ethic is toxic, the kids are suffering due to the high expectations, and Asians are doing things wrong because no one is supposed to work that hard in America.

The TJ reform is all about taking away any and all incentives for Asian kids to dominate in academics. If Asian kids are knocked down a few pegs or stop trying so hard, it flows that white kids will look better in comparison. White kids weren't especially interested in TJ because it required too much work for too little gain. If TJ gets watered down and no longer has so many strong Asian students at the top of the class, white kids will flock back.

I have never seen that on here. Examples?

And TJ reform isn’t about knocking down Asian students; it’s an attempt to lift others up by leveling the playing field. This admissions process isn’t perfect but it’s a step in the right direction.

And the civil war was about states’ rights - really it was. It so happened that some citizens of a certain race were impacted. I was not about them. It was all about preserving the federal nature of the union. Just ask the African Americans how they felt.

P.S. ~ don’t be tone deaf. Listen to your Asian neighbors. If they feel wronged then maybe this reform had something to do with it? See what happened in San Francisco with the school board.

Have your listening years on and you will be a more effective and impactful reformer.

What about the Asians who support reform?
https://www.advancingjustice-aajc.org/press-release/civil-rights-groups-submit-amicus-brief-support-race-neutral-admissions-policy-thomas

Why is it that you think only one subset of the population should have a voice? What about everyone else?

Still waiting on the answer to this.

Do you seek out Clarence Thomas and Herschel Walker when you need input on African American issues?

False equivalence. AAAJ are not crazy extremists.

Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

You wanted your answer - there you have it.

You think AAAJ are crazy extremists? Based on what?

And you haven’t answered why you think only one small subset of the population should have a voice? What about everyone else?

I don’t call anyone “crazy extremists” unless it’s is the Patriot Front. I don’t agree with Clarence Thomas on most things but I don’t think he is a crazy extremist. Those were your words.

You seem to think that Asians protesting against the inequitable education “reform” nationwide are in a minority. They are not. As has been made clear by how the San Francisco school board recall unfolded.

I don’t know AAAJ - the little I read suggested that they were knee-deep in the political fight with C4TJ.

To suggest that AAAJ is representative of the Asian community is to suggest that Clarence Thomas represents the black community.

I know the pulse of my community and I know the Dems will feel the heat this November - much like in San Francisco - in less they get their act together.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see much evidence that Asian kids flooded into "under-represented" middle schools like Whitman and Holmes this past year to "game" the new process.

It seems more likely to me that Asian families will just anchor in the top pyramids so they can hedge their bets (still have their kids apply to TJ, but rest assured that the alternative is Langley/McLean/Oakton/Chantilly/Woodson). And, as TJ becomes seen primarily as an alternative to lower-performing high schools, fewer of their kids will apply, just like Asian families in MoCo send their kids to Wootton with only some considering the Blair magnet.

Correct. Asian will stay in top school zones.

Some will have a small house in a lower ranked area and a larger house in the top zone.

Seems so overkill for high school. TJ is just a high school in the end. No one cares if you went to TJ later in life and college outcomes aren’t really better because it’s so competitive. If you read their confessional page, cheating is rampant and kids are totally unhappy. It’s crazy to me that folks are this desperate for TJ. Get a life.

TJ is soooo shiny.

This thread is intended for people interested in TJ. This is not a place to bash TJ as that point is going to fall on deaf ears. What is your purpose except maybe as someone embittered that TJ is unattainable?

I’m not bashing TJ. I’m bashing the parents who have been plotting their child’s path for TJ admissions since 2nd grade because they are obsessed with the prestige.

Why would you bash parents who want their kids to be successful? You seem to be obsessed with perpetuating a particular stereotype of a TJ applicant in the past in order to justify a new process that, as this thread indicates, has been anything but smooth. You've offered next to nothing to suggest that the new process is better at identifying students who may have an actual interest in, or aptitude for, STEM.

I'm bashing parents fostering an unhealthy, toxic environment for our kids.

You could always raise your kids as you see fit, and stop interfering with how other parents raise theirs.

It reeks of privilege for people like you to assert that other parents are somehow fostering an "unhealthy, toxic environment" for your kids. It's like you think you're the ones who should always decide the rules and the appropriate cultural norms.

Hmm. I wonder why teen suicides are out of control. Don’t get me wrong, I blame the sports parents, too. It’s all too much! I feel horrible for these kids who have been robbed of their childhood and expected to plan for a career (or to be an Olympian, get a scholarship, etc) from early childhood. It’s so messed up.

You could just as readily ascribe blame to FCPS officials for keeping schools closed so long, with the resultant isolation, lack of social interaction with peers, and loss of learning. That seems to have much more of an impact on students' mental health than parents encouraging their kids to participate in a Science Olympiad or to apply to TJ.

But, again, if you think it's up to FCPS to counter parents who "rob kids of their childhood," then the logical inference is that you should be advocating for the elimination of the STEM magnet at TJ, and not tinkering with the admissions process to admit more kids who may not be up to the school's challenges.

See, if is all very obvious. The white parents have a playbook which kept them on top. And which they think is the right thing to do. The Asians have a different playbook that they saw. Now that the Asian playbook is winning, whites want to say it is a bad toxi playbook. For a while, whites were embarassed that a minority was doing well. And grudgingly let it go. Then the envy got too much and they started saying you are no longer a minority - let's use the URM weapon to bash them. And here we are. Whatever argument you have - there is a counter. You Asians are just privileged, overworking, cheating, unidimensina, toxic people who need to be replaced. Never mind what your background/income levels are. This is a moment in time to vilify you. There is an absolute problem with the black community which needs to be addressed, but we just have some immigrant kids with motivated patents from Africa and South America being accidental winners here. All power to them. No real impact in areas where there should be. Of course as long as the end result is less Asians. whites are heaving a sigh of temporary relief. There!

Nope.

Whites DGAF. When we looked at the application data on an earlier thread, only 50% of eligible white kids even bothered to apply compared to 90%+ black and Asian kids. White families aren’t “envious” at all.

The community looked at how this valuable resource was being utilized and it was monopolized by a small group of wealthy middle schools. And there were embarrassingly few URMs or ED kids. 0.6% ED in 2024.

Maybe it’s white guilt for building such an unfair system. But it’s certainly not “envy”. You are totally off base.

I disagree. I'm white, and for the most part, white people love the prestige. They just don't want to put in the work like Asian kids do. In this forum alone, there have been numerous threads with parents complaining that their white kids are behind the Asian kids, despite their white kids' superior "natural aptitude." White people want to disincentivize anyone getting rewarded for working harder than they're willing to work. Even in this thread, there are suggestions that the Asian work ethic is toxic, the kids are suffering due to the high expectations, and Asians are doing things wrong because no one is supposed to work that hard in America.

The TJ reform is all about taking away any and all incentives for Asian kids to dominate in academics. If Asian kids are knocked down a few pegs or stop trying so hard, it flows that white kids will look better in comparison. White kids weren't especially interested in TJ because it required too much work for too little gain. If TJ gets watered down and no longer has so many strong Asian students at the top of the class, white kids will flock back.

I have never seen that on here. Examples?

And TJ reform isn’t about knocking down Asian students; it’s an attempt to lift others up by leveling the playing field. This admissions process isn’t perfect but it’s a step in the right direction.

And the civil war was about states’ rights - really it was. It so happened that some citizens of a certain race were impacted. I was not about them. It was all about preserving the federal nature of the union. Just ask the African Americans how they felt.

P.S. ~ don’t be tone deaf. Listen to your Asian neighbors. If they feel wronged then maybe this reform had something to do with it? See what happened in San Francisco with the school board.

Have your listening years on and you will be a more effective and impactful reformer.

What about the Asians who support reform?
https://www.advancingjustice-aajc.org/press-release/civil-rights-groups-submit-amicus-brief-support-race-neutral-admissions-policy-thomas

Why is it that you think only one subset of the population should have a voice? What about everyone else?

Still waiting on the answer to this.

Do you seek out Clarence Thomas and Herschel Walker when you need input on African American issues?

False equivalence. AAAJ are not crazy extremists.

Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

You wanted your answer - there you have it.

You think AAAJ are crazy extremists? Based on what?

And you haven’t answered why you think only one small subset of the population should have a voice? What about everyone else?

I don’t call anyone “crazy extremists” unless it’s is the Patriot Front. I don’t agree with Clarence Thomas on most things but I don’t think he is a crazy extremist. Those were your words.

You seem to think that Asians protesting against the inequitable education “reform” nationwide are in a minority. They are not. As has been made clear by how the San Francisco school board recall unfolded.

I don’t know AAAJ - the little I read suggested that they were knee-deep in the political fight with C4TJ.

To suggest that AAAJ is representative of the Asian community is to suggest that Clarence Thomas represents the black community.

I know the pulse of my community and I know the Dems will feel the heat this November - much like in San Francisco - in less they get their act together.

As a white dad of an Asian (adopted) kid, I will never be voting democrat again after this racist crap

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see much evidence that Asian kids flooded into "under-represented" middle schools like Whitman and Holmes this past year to "game" the new process.

It seems more likely to me that Asian families will just anchor in the top pyramids so they can hedge their bets (still have their kids apply to TJ, but rest assured that the alternative is Langley/McLean/Oakton/Chantilly/Woodson). And, as TJ becomes seen primarily as an alternative to lower-performing high schools, fewer of their kids will apply, just like Asian families in MoCo send their kids to Wootton with only some considering the Blair magnet.

Correct. Asian will stay in top school zones.

Some will have a small house in a lower ranked area and a larger house in the top zone.

Seems so overkill for high school. TJ is just a high school in the end. No one cares if you went to TJ later in life and college outcomes aren’t really better because it’s so competitive. If you read their confessional page, cheating is rampant and kids are totally unhappy. It’s crazy to me that folks are this desperate for TJ. Get a life.

TJ is soooo shiny.

This thread is intended for people interested in TJ. This is not a place to bash TJ as that point is going to fall on deaf ears. What is your purpose except maybe as someone embittered that TJ is unattainable?

I’m not bashing TJ. I’m bashing the parents who have been plotting their child’s path for TJ admissions since 2nd grade because they are obsessed with the prestige.

Why would you bash parents who want their kids to be successful? You seem to be obsessed with perpetuating a particular stereotype of a TJ applicant in the past in order to justify a new process that, as this thread indicates, has been anything but smooth. You've offered next to nothing to suggest that the new process is better at identifying students who may have an actual interest in, or aptitude for, STEM.

I'm bashing parents fostering an unhealthy, toxic environment for our kids.

You could always raise your kids as you see fit, and stop interfering with how other parents raise theirs.

It reeks of privilege for people like you to assert that other parents are somehow fostering an "unhealthy, toxic environment" for your kids. It's like you think you're the ones who should always decide the rules and the appropriate cultural norms.

Hmm. I wonder why teen suicides are out of control. Don’t get me wrong, I blame the sports parents, too. It’s all too much! I feel horrible for these kids who have been robbed of their childhood and expected to plan for a career (or to be an Olympian, get a scholarship, etc) from early childhood. It’s so messed up.

You could just as readily ascribe blame to FCPS officials for keeping schools closed so long, with the resultant isolation, lack of social interaction with peers, and loss of learning. That seems to have much more of an impact on students' mental health than parents encouraging their kids to participate in a Science Olympiad or to apply to TJ.

But, again, if you think it's up to FCPS to counter parents who "rob kids of their childhood," then the logical inference is that you should be advocating for the elimination of the STEM magnet at TJ, and not tinkering with the admissions process to admit more kids who may not be up to the school's challenges.

See, if is all very obvious. The white parents have a playbook which kept them on top. And which they think is the right thing to do. The Asians have a different playbook that they saw. Now that the Asian playbook is winning, whites want to say it is a bad toxi playbook. For a while, whites were embarassed that a minority was doing well. And grudgingly let it go. Then the envy got too much and they started saying you are no longer a minority - let's use the URM weapon to bash them. And here we are. Whatever argument you have - there is a counter. You Asians are just privileged, overworking, cheating, unidimensina, toxic people who need to be replaced. Never mind what your background/income levels are. This is a moment in time to vilify you. There is an absolute problem with the black community which needs to be addressed, but we just have some immigrant kids with motivated patents from Africa and South America being accidental winners here. All power to them. No real impact in areas where there should be. Of course as long as the end result is less Asians. whites are heaving a sigh of temporary relief. There!

Nope.

Whites DGAF. When we looked at the application data on an earlier thread, only 50% of eligible white kids even bothered to apply compared to 90%+ black and Asian kids. White families aren’t “envious” at all.

The community looked at how this valuable resource was being utilized and it was monopolized by a small group of wealthy middle schools. And there were embarrassingly few URMs or ED kids. 0.6% ED in 2024.

Maybe it’s white guilt for building such an unfair system. But it’s certainly not “envy”. You are totally off base.

I disagree. I'm white, and for the most part, white people love the prestige. They just don't want to put in the work like Asian kids do. In this forum alone, there have been numerous threads with parents complaining that their white kids are behind the Asian kids, despite their white kids' superior "natural aptitude." White people want to disincentivize anyone getting rewarded for working harder than they're willing to work. Even in this thread, there are suggestions that the Asian work ethic is toxic, the kids are suffering due to the high expectations, and Asians are doing things wrong because no one is supposed to work that hard in America.

The TJ reform is all about taking away any and all incentives for Asian kids to dominate in academics. If Asian kids are knocked down a few pegs or stop trying so hard, it flows that white kids will look better in comparison. White kids weren't especially interested in TJ because it required too much work for too little gain. If TJ gets watered down and no longer has so many strong Asian students at the top of the class, white kids will flock back.

I have never seen that on here. Examples?

And TJ reform isn’t about knocking down Asian students; it’s an attempt to lift others up by leveling the playing field. This admissions process isn’t perfect but it’s a step in the right direction.

And the civil war was about states’ rights - really it was. It so happened that some citizens of a certain race were impacted. I was not about them. It was all about preserving the federal nature of the union. Just ask the African Americans how they felt.

P.S. ~ don’t be tone deaf. Listen to your Asian neighbors. If they feel wronged then maybe this reform had something to do with it? See what happened in San Francisco with the school board.

Have your listening years on and you will be a more effective and impactful reformer.

What about the Asians who support reform?
https://www.advancingjustice-aajc.org/press-release/civil-rights-groups-submit-amicus-brief-support-race-neutral-admissions-policy-thomas

Why is it that you think only one subset of the population should have a voice? What about everyone else?

Still waiting on the answer to this.

Do you seek out Clarence Thomas and Herschel Walker when you need input on African American issues?

False equivalence. AAAJ are not crazy extremists.

Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

You wanted your answer - there you have it.

You think AAAJ are crazy extremists? Based on what?

And you haven’t answered why you think only one small subset of the population should have a voice? What about everyone else?

I don’t call anyone “crazy extremists” unless it’s is the Patriot Front. I don’t agree with Clarence Thomas on most things but I don’t think he is a crazy extremist. Those were your words.

You seem to think that Asians protesting against the inequitable education “reform” nationwide are in a minority. They are not. As has been made clear by how the San Francisco school board recall unfolded.

I don’t know AAAJ - the little I read suggested that they were knee-deep in the political fight with C4TJ.

To suggest that AAAJ is representative of the Asian community is to suggest that Clarence Thomas represents the black community.

I know the pulse of my community and I know the Dems will feel the heat this November - much like in San Francisco - in less they get their act together.

I didn’t suggest that.

I’m saying that C4TJ doesn’t speak for anyone other than C4TJ (and the GOP). C4TJ is a small group trying to aggressively force its views on everyone else. Their voice isn’t anymore important than other voices, including AAAJ, NAACP, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:The real privilege on academic is intelligence. Who should be responsible for your lacking of intelligence? You can make it up if you are willing to be diligent. The reality is, those people who speak loud about the academic privilege are those who have neither intelligence nor diligence.

You are such a smug jerk. You have no idea others’ IQ. Justify yourself however you need to. Just because your kid has been prepping since pre-k does not mean they are intelligent. And the problem that you fail to acknowledge is that there are some people who don’t have the privilege to do that. Get out of your little insular world and try to stand in someone else’s shoes for a minute. It’s not that everyone else is lazy and stupid. Other people have different circumstances that you know nothing about. Try, just try to imagine that someone else may be in a different situation.

No matter in what circumstances, responsible people should do their part well first before trying to pull others back.

Says the person of privilege who has never suffered. Nobody is trying to pull you back. They are trying to help those who are disadvantaged and need a little help to get to the same place. Don’t we want a society where all kids are well educated or do you just care about your own? Never mind. Don’t answer. I already know the answer.

Cool, but they aren't achieving that. The main URMs who are benefitting are wealthy black African immigrants with educated parents and wealthy white Europeans of Spanish ancestry (Yay. We're rewarding the white colonizers with URM perks alongside the people they oppressed!) White people may be patting themselves on the head for promoting diversity, but they aren't doing anything to help the people who have historically been oppressed and exploited. Case in point: At my kids' school, the upper middle class white kid with parents who are lawyers who happened to have a grandparent born in Spain got invited to Young Scholars, since she was Hispanic. The lower middle class Chinese ethnic minority Muslim girl whose family came here as refugees was not invited to Young Scholars, since she's a privileged Asian by white people standards.

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Anonymous wrote:The real privilege on academic is intelligence. Who should be responsible for your lacking of intelligence? You can make it up if you are willing to be diligent. The reality is, those people who speak loud about the academic privilege are those who have neither intelligence nor diligence.

You are such a smug jerk. You have no idea others’ IQ. Justify yourself however you need to. Just because your kid has been prepping since pre-k does not mean they are intelligent. And the problem that you fail to acknowledge is that there are some people who don’t have the privilege to do that. Get out of your little insular world and try to stand in someone else’s shoes for a minute. It’s not that everyone else is lazy and stupid. Other people have different circumstances that you know nothing about. Try, just try to imagine that someone else may be in a different situation.

No matter in what circumstances, responsible people should do their part well first before trying to pull others back.

Says the person of privilege who has never suffered. Nobody is trying to pull you back. They are trying to help those who are disadvantaged and need a little help to get to the same place. Don’t we want a society where all kids are well educated or do you just care about your own? Never mind. Don’t answer. I already know the answer.

Cool, but they aren't achieving that. The main URMs who are benefitting are wealthy black African immigrants with educated parents and wealthy white Europeans of Spanish ancestry (Yay. We're rewarding the white colonizers with URM perks alongside the people they oppressed!) White people may be patting themselves on the head for promoting diversity, but they aren't doing anything to help the people who have historically been oppressed and exploited. Case in point: At my kids' school, the upper middle class white kid with parents who are lawyers who happened to have a grandparent born in Spain got invited to Young Scholars, since she was Hispanic. The lower middle class Chinese ethnic minority Muslim girl whose family came here as refugees was not invited to Young Scholars, since she's a privileged Asian by white people standards.

So let’s find the right solution that helps the people it should. What do you think that is?

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Yeah. The obvious thing to do is assume that the kids doing STEM ECs in middle school aren't interested in STEM, and the kids not doing STEM ECs are the ones who are super motivated to do STEM because they said so in an essay.

For those of us living in reality, yes, it is true that some portion of kids doing STEM ECs are doing them due to pushy parents. Generally, those kids do not rise to the top in the EC. The kids not doing STEM ECs either aren't very interested in STEM or can't motivate themselves to put in even a modicum of effort. I'd rather take a chance on a kid who at least appears to be interested in STEM than a kid who has says that he likes math or science class, but hasn't actually done anything STEM related.

My kid was in a club where the coach said there would be a first cut, and said he was expecting someone to ask how many would be cut.
He wasn't planning to cut anyone, but it was just an excuse for kids who were in there because their parents were pushing them.

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Anonymous wrote:The real privilege on academic is intelligence. Who should be responsible for your lacking of intelligence? You can make it up if you are willing to be diligent. The reality is, those people who speak loud about the academic privilege are those who have neither intelligence nor diligence.

You are such a smug jerk. You have no idea others’ IQ. Justify yourself however you need to. Just because your kid has been prepping since pre-k does not mean they are intelligent. And the problem that you fail to acknowledge is that there are some people who don’t have the privilege to do that. Get out of your little insular world and try to stand in someone else’s shoes for a minute. It’s not that everyone else is lazy and stupid. Other people have different circumstances that you know nothing about. Try, just try to imagine that someone else may be in a different situation.

No matter in what circumstances, responsible people should do their part well first before trying to pull others back.

Says the person of privilege who has never suffered. Nobody is trying to pull you back. They are trying to help those who are disadvantaged and need a little help to get to the same place. Don’t we want a society where all kids are well educated or do you just care about your own? Never mind. Don’t answer. I already know the answer.

Cool, but they aren't achieving that. The main URMs who are benefitting are wealthy black African immigrants with educated parents and wealthy white Europeans of Spanish ancestry (Yay. We're rewarding the white colonizers with URM perks alongside the people they oppressed!) White people may be patting themselves on the head for promoting diversity, but they aren't doing anything to help the people who have historically been oppressed and exploited. Case in point: At my kids' school, the upper middle class white kid with parents who are lawyers who happened to have a grandparent born in Spain got invited to Young Scholars, since she was Hispanic. The lower middle class Chinese ethnic minority Muslim girl whose family came here as refugees was not invited to Young Scholars, since she's a privileged Asian by white people standards.

So let’s find the right solution that helps the people it should. What do you think that is?

I'd improve funding for Young Scholars and update the selection criteria to identify kids who need the help. Kids who are FARMS, are lower middle class but not FARMS, have parents who do not have college degrees, have only one parent figure in their lives, or are part of a historically repressed group (people of Native American or Native Central/South American ancestry and people of African American ancestry - not including white Hispanics or Black Immigrants) would be the kids I would target for extra programming. I'd probably include refugees in the repressed people group. Free after school tutoring, summer programs, and ECs would be a part of the program.

The only true solution, though, is to lift people out of poverty. Our country lacks the will to do so, and instead would rather slap a band-aid on this gaping wound. Letting a handful more black kids into elite magnet programs gives people the warm fuzzies, but it doesn't do anything to address the deep problems causing the achievement gap.

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I think the 33% comes not from cheating but the amount of bonus points they gave for low income.
The level of income that qualifies as low income that was posted here is somewhat high, and I would expect lots of exceptional students at that level of income. Any 'cheaters' will be replaced by a legit FARMS student.

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Anonymous wrote: 1) they look great when they can say 33 % is ED (complete fiction) and 2) they underestimated the ability of select DCUMs to take action.

I think the 33% comes not from cheating but the amount of bonus points they gave for low income.
The level of income that qualifies as low income that was posted here is somewhat high, and I would expect lots of exceptional students at that level of income. Any 'cheaters' will be replaced by a legit FARMS student.

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There was no "level of income that qualifies as low income". They asked who is eligible for free lunch and awarded points to anyone who answered yes without verifying anything.

If you think the federal guidelines for low income are too high, then your issue s with the federal government.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see much evidence that Asian kids flooded into "under-represented" middle schools like Whitman and Holmes this past year to "game" the new process.

It seems more likely to me that Asian families will just anchor in the top pyramids so they can hedge their bets (still have their kids apply to TJ, but rest assured that the alternative is Langley/McLean/Oakton/Chantilly/Woodson). And, as TJ becomes seen primarily as an alternative to lower-performing high schools, fewer of their kids will apply, just like Asian families in MoCo send their kids to Wootton with only some considering the Blair magnet.

Correct. Asian will stay in top school zones.

Some will have a small house in a lower ranked area and a larger house in the top zone.

Seems so overkill for high school. TJ is just a high school in the end. No one cares if you went to TJ later in life and college outcomes aren’t really better because it’s so competitive. If you read their confessional page, cheating is rampant and kids are totally unhappy. It’s crazy to me that folks are this desperate for TJ. Get a life.

TJ is soooo shiny.

This thread is intended for people interested in TJ. This is not a place to bash TJ as that point is going to fall on deaf ears. What is your purpose except maybe as someone embittered that TJ is unattainable?

I’m not bashing TJ. I’m bashing the parents who have been plotting their child’s path for TJ admissions since 2nd grade because they are obsessed with the prestige.

Why would you bash parents who want their kids to be successful? You seem to be obsessed with perpetuating a particular stereotype of a TJ applicant in the past in order to justify a new process that, as this thread indicates, has been anything but smooth. You've offered next to nothing to suggest that the new process is better at identifying students who may have an actual interest in, or aptitude for, STEM.

I'm bashing parents fostering an unhealthy, toxic environment for our kids.

You could always raise your kids as you see fit, and stop interfering with how other parents raise theirs.

It reeks of privilege for people like you to assert that other parents are somehow fostering an "unhealthy, toxic environment" for your kids. It's like you think you're the ones who should always decide the rules and the appropriate cultural norms.

Hmm. I wonder why teen suicides are out of control. Don’t get me wrong, I blame the sports parents, too. It’s all too much! I feel horrible for these kids who have been robbed of their childhood and expected to plan for a career (or to be an Olympian, get a scholarship, etc) from early childhood. It’s so messed up.

You could just as readily ascribe blame to FCPS officials for keeping schools closed so long, with the resultant isolation, lack of social interaction with peers, and loss of learning. That seems to have much more of an impact on students' mental health than parents encouraging their kids to participate in a Science Olympiad or to apply to TJ.

But, again, if you think it's up to FCPS to counter parents who "rob kids of their childhood," then the logical inference is that you should be advocating for the elimination of the STEM magnet at TJ, and not tinkering with the admissions process to admit more kids who may not be up to the school's challenges.

See, if is all very obvious. The white parents have a playbook which kept them on top. And which they think is the right thing to do. The Asians have a different playbook that they saw. Now that the Asian playbook is winning, whites want to say it is a bad toxi playbook. For a while, whites were embarassed that a minority was doing well. And grudgingly let it go. Then the envy got too much and they started saying you are no longer a minority - let's use the URM weapon to bash them. And here we are. Whatever argument you have - there is a counter. You Asians are just privileged, overworking, cheating, unidimensina, toxic people who need to be replaced. Never mind what your background/income levels are. This is a moment in time to vilify you. There is an absolute problem with the black community which needs to be addressed, but we just have some immigrant kids with motivated patents from Africa and South America being accidental winners here. All power to them. No real impact in areas where there should be. Of course as long as the end result is less Asians. whites are heaving a sigh of temporary relief. There!

Nope.

Whites DGAF. When we looked at the application data on an earlier thread, only 50% of eligible white kids even bothered to apply compared to 90%+ black and Asian kids. White families aren’t “envious” at all.

The community looked at how this valuable resource was being utilized and it was monopolized by a small group of wealthy middle schools. And there were embarrassingly few URMs or ED kids. 0.6% ED in 2024.

Maybe it’s white guilt for building such an unfair system. But it’s certainly not “envy”. You are totally off base.

I disagree. I'm white, and for the most part, white people love the prestige. They just don't want to put in the work like Asian kids do. In this forum alone, there have been numerous threads with parents complaining that their white kids are behind the Asian kids, despite their white kids' superior "natural aptitude." White people want to disincentivize anyone getting rewarded for working harder than they're willing to work. Even in this thread, there are suggestions that the Asian work ethic is toxic, the kids are suffering due to the high expectations, and Asians are doing things wrong because no one is supposed to work that hard in America.

The TJ reform is all about taking away any and all incentives for Asian kids to dominate in academics. If Asian kids are knocked down a few pegs or stop trying so hard, it flows that white kids will look better in comparison. White kids weren't especially interested in TJ because it required too much work for too little gain. If TJ gets watered down and no longer has so many strong Asian students at the top of the class, white kids will flock back.

I have never seen that on here. Examples?

And TJ reform isn’t about knocking down Asian students; it’s an attempt to lift others up by leveling the playing field. This admissions process isn’t perfect but it’s a step in the right direction.

And the civil war was about states’ rights - really it was. It so happened that some citizens of a certain race were impacted. I was not about them. It was all about preserving the federal nature of the union. Just ask the African Americans how they felt.

P.S. ~ don’t be tone deaf. Listen to your Asian neighbors. If they feel wronged then maybe this reform had something to do with it? See what happened in San Francisco with the school board.

Have your listening years on and you will be a more effective and impactful reformer.

What about the Asians who support reform?
https://www.advancingjustice-aajc.org/press-release/civil-rights-groups-submit-amicus-brief-support-race-neutral-admissions-policy-thomas

Why is it that you think only one subset of the population should have a voice? What about everyone else?

Still waiting on the answer to this.

Do you seek out Clarence Thomas and Herschel Walker when you need input on African American issues?

False equivalence. AAAJ are not crazy extremists.

Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

You wanted your answer - there you have it.

You think AAAJ are crazy extremists? Based on what?

And you haven’t answered why you think only one small subset of the population should have a voice? What about everyone else?

I don’t call anyone “crazy extremists” unless it’s is the Patriot Front. I don’t agree with Clarence Thomas on most things but I don’t think he is a crazy extremist. Those were your words.

You seem to think that Asians protesting against the inequitable education “reform” nationwide are in a minority. They are not. As has been made clear by how the San Francisco school board recall unfolded.

I don’t know AAAJ - the little I read suggested that they were knee-deep in the political fight with C4TJ.

To suggest that AAAJ is representative of the Asian community is to suggest that Clarence Thomas represents the black community.

I know the pulse of my community and I know the Dems will feel the heat this November - much like in San Francisco - in less they get their act together.

As a white dad of an Asian (adopted) kid, I will never be voting democrat again after this racist crap

Haha.. way to piss of so many Asian and white parents, who value education over others and who traditionally vote democrat. My kid was already HS, but we both voted R in last gov election as we thought dems went overboard over this racist nonsense. I am not sure if there any new dem votes gained, but I am sure plenty lost. I know quite few who were royally pissed, though not sure how everyone voted. The new system has neither merit nor diversity and based who got and who didn’t it’s all random, because of useless essays and their massive weightage in admissions.

If all fcps did was to simply allocate 20% for ED, leave the rest alone and call it a day, no one would have batted an eye. There are plenty of good solutions, but the obsession over punishing the prepping messed up everything. I am sure there are a few who benefited who otherwise had no chance and defend this process to to their last breath, but there a way more people who were unhappy.