ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Email [e-mail] a quick note if you agree that 8/1, or 9/1 to 7/31 with flex August, or SY + 60/62, is better than 9/1. Please and thank you!

Pathetic.

I didn't write this, but why is that pathetic?

Email [e-mail] a quick note if you agree that [insert what’s best for your kid] is best. Pretty please and thank you!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What are the number is states with 8/1 or 8/15 school cutoff dates?

here is a list from 2020:

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab1_3-2020.asp

So nothing before 7/31, except Connecticut at 1/1 (that state is BY heaven). There are 4 states with LEA (Local Education Agency) option and Mass and NH do whatever. Vast majority of states (36) are 8/31 or later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the prior couple of posts illustrate again how crazy it would be for ECNL not to address the summer trap players as part of the fall 2026 registration change. Teams a grade down resentful of trap players playing down during their trapped seasons, messing up the rosters for all, throwing the trapped player into a hostile situation and upsetting the younger team dynamic. Better to have teams integrating those trapped kids under the new system with their grade so that doesn’t happen anymore. And trapped players can’t play in post-season. Again - why not eliminate this in fall 2026!

No players in DMV will be trapped by a 9/1 soccer cutoff, given that no schools in DMV use an earlier cutoff. The August DMV players who are trapped should blame their parents for holding them back when they were supposed to start school.

This issue is bigger than DMV. And you understand the school cutoff doesn't tell someone when they're "supposed" to start school? The date picked by a state or school system just establishes the minimum age a kid needs to be in order to start that grade. For DMV, you just have to be 5 on or before 9/1 to start in kindergarten. It doesn't mean they have to start kindergarten when they are 5 years old. This might surprise you, but they can start later. But you already know that and are just trolling. Or, you just don't understand how it works because it has no impact on you, so in that case you're close-minded and incapable of seeing things from a lens other than your own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are the number is states with 8/1 or 8/15 school cutoff dates?

here is a list from 2020:

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab1_3-2020.asp

So nothing before 7/31, except Connecticut at 1/1 (that state is BY heaven). There are 4 states with LEA (Local Education Agency) option and Mass and NH do whatever. Vast majority of states (36) are 8/31 or later.

The mental gymnastics by SY +60 guy are going to be great. Cant wait to see his crazy acrobatics. Popcorn is ready.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are the number is states with 8/1 or 8/15 school cutoff dates?

here is a list from 2020:

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab1_3-2020.asp

So nothing before 7/31, except Connecticut at 1/1 (that state is BY heaven). There are 4 states with LEA (Local Education Agency) option and Mass and NH do whatever. Vast majority of states (36) are 8/31 or later.

It appears that's why they used to have 8/1, since 7/31 was the earliest for school cutoff. Appears to capture everyone, including Conn. But who knows. We will see soon enough what they end up doing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was 8/1 before it went to BY right? Was anyone clamoring for 9/1 back then? Seemed to be a good date for a school year approach since it captures most, if not all states.

9/1 or it goes 8/1 if they get pushed by states like Indiana, Hawaii and Missouri. Could always split the baby and go 8/15. Would be worth it for the shock value.

lol - it would be funny if they just dropped a bomb and did something completely random. We would get to 1000 in no time!

Ok, 8/15 was my idea but I have a better one now.

Soccer officials love bribes, kick backs, cuts from player contracts, unfair advantages, etc. and the age cutoff should be chosen with this as a guiding light.

Here it is, a 2 week game where people vote in $5k increments to pick a day of the year that is the oldest for the new age cutoff. In real time, we all could see the preferred date based on the cash thrown towards the soccer kitty and towards the self proclaimed soccer gods.

Want your mid July kid to be oldest? Don't just spam some forum about your harebrained scheme, pony up the cash.

To maximize the cash, youth soccer would want to do this every year but then the pressure would be to great in a few years to not do one for fall and then one for spring. Could sell tv rights for the last hour to profit off that palpable drama.

This would be more fair than anything I have seen in my 8 years of following youth soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was 8/1 before it went to BY right? Was anyone clamoring for 9/1 back then? Seemed to be a good date for a school year approach since it captures most, if not all states.

9/1 or it goes 8/1 if they get pushed by states like Indiana, Hawaii and Missouri. Could always split the baby and go 8/15. Would be worth it for the shock value.

lol - it would be funny if they just dropped a bomb and did something completely random. We would get to 1000 in no time!

Ok, 8/15 was my idea but I have a better one now.

Soccer officials love bribes, kick backs, cuts from player contracts, unfair advantages, etc. and the age cutoff should be chosen with this as a guiding light.

Here it is, a 2 week game where people vote in $5k increments to pick a day of the year that is the oldest for the new age cutoff. In real time, we all could see the preferred date based on the cash thrown towards the soccer kitty and towards the self proclaimed soccer gods.

Want your mid July kid to be oldest? Don't just spam some forum about your harebrained scheme, pony up the cash.

To maximize the cash, youth soccer would want to do this every year but then the pressure would be to great in a few years to not do one for fall and then one for spring. Could sell tv rights for the last hour to profit off that palpable drama.

This would be more fair than anything I have seen in my 8 years of following youth soccer.

love it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the prior couple of posts illustrate again how crazy it would be for ECNL not to address the summer trap players as part of the fall 2026 registration change. Teams a grade down resentful of trap players playing down during their trapped seasons, messing up the rosters for all, throwing the trapped player into a hostile situation and upsetting the younger team dynamic. Better to have teams integrating those trapped kids under the new system with their grade so that doesn’t happen anymore. And trapped players can’t play in post-season. Again - why not eliminate this in fall 2026!

No players in DMV will be trapped by a 9/1 soccer cutoff, given that no schools in DMV use an earlier cutoff. The August DMV players who are trapped should blame their parents for holding them back when they were supposed to start school.

This issue is bigger than DMV. And you understand the school cutoff doesn't tell someone when they're "supposed" to start school? The date picked by a state or school system just establishes the minimum age a kid needs to be in order to start that grade. For DMV, you just have to be 5 on or before 9/1 to start in kindergarten. It doesn't mean they have to start kindergarten when they are 5 years old. This might surprise you, but they can start later. But you already know that and are just trolling. Or, you just don't understand how it works because it has no impact on you, so in that case you're close-minded and incapable of seeing things from a lens other than your own.

I'm pretty sure VA is included in the DMV and that date is 9/31.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the prior couple of posts illustrate again how crazy it would be for ECNL not to address the summer trap players as part of the fall 2026 registration change. Teams a grade down resentful of trap players playing down during their trapped seasons, messing up the rosters for all, throwing the trapped player into a hostile situation and upsetting the younger team dynamic. Better to have teams integrating those trapped kids under the new system with their grade so that doesn’t happen anymore. And trapped players can’t play in post-season. Again - why not eliminate this in fall 2026!

No players in DMV will be trapped by a 9/1 soccer cutoff, given that no schools in DMV use an earlier cutoff. The August DMV players who are trapped should blame their parents for holding them back when they were supposed to start school.

This issue is bigger than DMV. And you understand the school cutoff doesn't tell someone when they're "supposed" to start school? The date picked by a state or school system just establishes the minimum age a kid needs to be in order to start that grade. For DMV, you just have to be 5 on or before 9/1 to start in kindergarten. It doesn't mean they have to start kindergarten when they are 5 years old. This might surprise you, but they can start later. But you already know that and are just trolling. Or, you just don't understand how it works because it has no impact on you, so in that case you're close-minded and incapable of seeing things from a lens other than your own.

Right. And why would a parent not put a kid eligible for school into school? Lots of idiosyncratic reasons, but most of the time, particularly for families with means, it’s because they (rightly) perceive their kids will have more success in school and related activities if they are relatively older rather than relatively younger than their classmates. But now that they perceive this decision to be working against them, they look for an exception so their kid can again be the oldest of the bunch, to the detriment of the kids who already are the youngest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are the number is states with 8/1 or 8/15 school cutoff dates?

here is a list from 2020:

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab1_3-2020.asp

So nothing before 7/31, except Connecticut at 1/1 (that state is BY heaven). There are 4 states with LEA (Local Education Agency) option and Mass and NH do whatever. Vast majority of states (36) are 8/31 or later.

The mental gymnastics by SY +60 guy are going to be great. Cant wait to see his crazy acrobatics. Popcorn is ready.

Never underestimate the importance of being earnest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the prior couple of posts illustrate again how crazy it would be for ECNL not to address the summer trap players as part of the fall 2026 registration change. Teams a grade down resentful of trap players playing down during their trapped seasons, messing up the rosters for all, throwing the trapped player into a hostile situation and upsetting the younger team dynamic. Better to have teams integrating those trapped kids under the new system with their grade so that doesn’t happen anymore. And trapped players can’t play in post-season. Again - why not eliminate this in fall 2026!

No players in DMV will be trapped by a 9/1 soccer cutoff, given that no schools in DMV use an earlier cutoff. The August DMV players who are trapped should blame their parents for holding them back when they were supposed to start school.

This issue is bigger than DMV. And you understand the school cutoff doesn't tell someone when they're "supposed" to start school? The date picked by a state or school system just establishes the minimum age a kid needs to be in order to start that grade. For DMV, you just have to be 5 on or before 9/1 to start in kindergarten. It doesn't mean they have to start kindergarten when they are 5 years old. This might surprise you, but they can start later. But you already know that and are just trolling. Or, you just don't understand how it works because it has no impact on you, so in that case you're close-minded and incapable of seeing things from a lens other than your own.

Right. And why would a parent not put a kid eligible for school into school? Lots of idiosyncratic reasons, but most of the time, particularly for families with means, it’s because they (rightly) perceive their kids will have more success in school and related activities if they are relatively older rather than relatively younger than their classmates. But now that they perceive this decision to be working against them, they look for an exception so their kid can again be the oldest of the bunch, to the detriment of the kids who already are the youngest.

This is why some prefer BY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the prior couple of posts illustrate again how crazy it would be for ECNL not to address the summer trap players as part of the fall 2026 registration change. Teams a grade down resentful of trap players playing down during their trapped seasons, messing up the rosters for all, throwing the trapped player into a hostile situation and upsetting the younger team dynamic. Better to have teams integrating those trapped kids under the new system with their grade so that doesn’t happen anymore. And trapped players can’t play in post-season. Again - why not eliminate this in fall 2026!

No players in DMV will be trapped by a 9/1 soccer cutoff, given that no schools in DMV use an earlier cutoff. The August DMV players who are trapped should blame their parents for holding them back when they were supposed to start school.

This issue is bigger than DMV. And you understand the school cutoff doesn't tell someone when they're "supposed" to start school? The date picked by a state or school system just establishes the minimum age a kid needs to be in order to start that grade. For DMV, you just have to be 5 on or before 9/1 to start in kindergarten. It doesn't mean they have to start kindergarten when they are 5 years old. This might surprise you, but they can start later. But you already know that and are just trolling. Or, you just don't understand how it works because it has no impact on you, so in that case you're close-minded and incapable of seeing things from a lens other than your own.

Right. And why would a parent not put a kid eligible for school into school? Lots of idiosyncratic reasons, but most of the time, particularly for families with means, it’s because they (rightly) perceive their kids will have more success in school and related activities if they are relatively older rather than relatively younger than their classmates. But now that they perceive this decision to be working against them, they look for an exception so their kid can again be the oldest of the bunch, to the detriment of the kids who already are the youngest.

I don't know if I agree that the decision will necessarily work against them as I don't think being trapped is that big of a deal. But your point is taken. I think there is a big misconception that just because a kid starts late or is held back, it's only for the kid to pull a fast one, or get ahead, or be a cheater (hilarious). A lot of times, if not most, it's not to get ahead, but simply to not fall behind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the prior couple of posts illustrate again how crazy it would be for ECNL not to address the summer trap players as part of the fall 2026 registration change. Teams a grade down resentful of trap players playing down during their trapped seasons, messing up the rosters for all, throwing the trapped player into a hostile situation and upsetting the younger team dynamic. Better to have teams integrating those trapped kids under the new system with their grade so that doesn’t happen anymore. And trapped players can’t play in post-season. Again - why not eliminate this in fall 2026!

No players in DMV will be trapped by a 9/1 soccer cutoff, given that no schools in DMV use an earlier cutoff. The August DMV players who are trapped should blame their parents for holding them back when they were supposed to start school.

This issue is bigger than DMV. And you understand the school cutoff doesn't tell someone when they're "supposed" to start school? The date picked by a state or school system just establishes the minimum age a kid needs to be in order to start that grade. For DMV, you just have to be 5 on or before 9/1 to start in kindergarten. It doesn't mean they have to start kindergarten when they are 5 years old. This might surprise you, but they can start later. But you already know that and are just trolling. Or, you just don't understand how it works because it has no impact on you, so in that case you're close-minded and incapable of seeing things from a lens other than your own.

Right. And why would a parent not put a kid eligible for school into school? Lots of idiosyncratic reasons, but most of the time, particularly for families with means, it’s because they (rightly) perceive their kids will have more success in school and related activities if they are relatively older rather than relatively younger than their classmates. But now that they perceive this decision to be working against them, they look for an exception so their kid can again be the oldest of the bunch, to the detriment of the kids who already are the youngest.

I don't know if I agree that the decision will necessarily work against them as I don't think being trapped is that big of a deal. But your point is taken. I think there is a big misconception that just because a kid starts late or is held back, it's only for the kid to pull a fast one, or get ahead, or be a cheater (hilarious). A lot of times, if not most, it's not to get ahead, but simply to not fall behind.

If there was a perfect solution for everyone, this thread wouldn’t exist. So whatever we end up with will advantage some kids and disadvantage others. +60 is just the latest idea being pitched by someone here that shifts a perceived disadvantage from one group to another. If it gets traction, the next disadvantaged group will complain and then come up with their proposed fix, which in turn will disadvantage someone else, and on and on we go. I don’t know whether 8/1 or 9/1 is the better cutoff, but the answer has to be a fixed 12-month period, otherwise we are making RAE a bigger issue than it already is, and that’s the one outcome that is just not acceptable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just chatted with some 2011 parents who are getting two trapped 2010s this spring. They are pissed off. Not a great situation for the unwelcome trapped players coming in taking playtime and not a great situation for the 2011 starting CB that’s losing her spot to a 2010 this spring.

Parents ALWAYS complain about something. Guess what, if their kid goes anywhere in soccer, they'll face some adversity. They should look at this as a growth opportunity to learn from the more experienced players. Maybe that CB needs to learn the wing or defensive mid OR center forward. Mom and dad shouldn't always come to the rescue.

It’s worse when the kid is being played up and takes the spot. The parents are 1,000x nastier and the club is accused of all sorts of unspeakables.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And just to boost our numbers, let me drop this nugget in here...my SY kid could beat up your BY kid. The only reason your BY kid is scoring 2 goals a year is because they are a March baby. Eat that

If we're ALL being honest, the true top kids playing a year or MORE up already, eat everyone's lunch and aren't affected by the whole SY/BY debate!

Most kids playing up are at small clubs that struggle to fill out age groups. And most are real young.

Playing up has such a wide range that saying your kid plays up doesn't have the meaning that many think it does.

This is true. Big clubs are reluctant to play up kids that should be played up because it upsets the apple cart and potentially costs them players / families that would otherwise be explacements in colleges.