ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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What are the number is states with 8/1 or 8/15 school cutoff dates?

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Anonymous wrote:Again people... You're going crazy about 2 months!

Think about it. Yes some players might be 2 months older with SY+60 but you've completely addressed trapped players.

Seems like a fair tradeoff.

I know this is a nationwide issue and this thread has picked up non-DMV posters, but who in the DMV will be trapped due to school cutoffs being earlier than a 9/1 SY cutoff for soccer? Aren’t all the local school, public and private, in DC, MD, and VA either a 9/1 or 9/30 cutoff? Are we really thinking about +60 to help kids whose parents tried to game the system by having their July and August kids start school a year later than they were supposed to?

With SY+60 DMV clubs would be playing other DMV clubs and all players would be 9/1 unless they started in a different school district that starts 60 days before 9/1 and moved to DMV. Basically all local SY+60 games would be a 12 month birth window.

Where you might see a 14 month window is when playing against other states. And this is only allowed to completely address trapped players.

Ok, so for DMV teams, +60 helps July and August kids who either (a) moved to the DMV after starting school in a system that had a school cutoff date between 7/1 and 8/31 (I'm somewhat sympathetic to this group) or (b) started school in the DMV and have parents who wanted them to be the oldest in their grade and so held them back a year. Do I have this right?

Yes all correct.

Parents could technically hold their kid back if they were a 7/1 to 9/1. But you're not really gaining much of an advantage because all you're doing is making your kid the same age as other states with an earlier (8/1,7/1) start date.

Good point! But which states are 7/1?

There's a couple of oddball districts in Colorado. Likely to accommodate farming or weather.

Either way 7/1 gives SY+60 a little buffer if other districts go to a July start date. This allows leagues to implement SY+60 one time and not have to mess with it again.

Going 7/1 is better than going 9/1 plus 60 because it captures kids born July 1 and 2. And kids misaligned can play a year up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the prior couple of posts illustrate again how crazy it would be for ECNL not to address the summer trap players as part of the fall 2026 registration change. Teams a grade down resentful of trap players playing down during their trapped seasons, messing up the rosters for all, throwing the trapped player into a hostile situation and upsetting the younger team dynamic. Better to have teams integrating those trapped kids under the new system with their grade so that doesn’t happen anymore. And trapped players can’t play in post-season. Again - why not eliminate this in fall 2026!

They might go with 8-1 to eliminate the summer trapped players but sounded like they were leaning towards 9-1.

Will know which of the 2 they pick in about 50 short days.

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Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t they using 8/1 as a cutoff date anymore? Where did 9/1 come from?

It's not confirmed but their latest podcast seemed to be leaning towards 9/1 for ECNL.

[Anonymous]

Agree that 8/1 cutoff is preferred. If not, then 9/1 to 7/31 with the flex August that was previously discussed.

[Anonymous]

Email [e-mail] a quick note if you agree that 8/1, or 9/1 to 7/31 with flex August, or SY + 60/62, is better than 9/1. Please and thank you!

[Anonymous]

It was 8/1 before it went to BY right? Was anyone clamoring for 9/1 back then? Seemed to be a good date for a school year approach since it captures most, if not all states.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the number is states with 8/1 or 8/15 school cutoff dates?

here is a list from 2020:

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab1_3-2020.asp

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Anonymous wrote:So the prior couple of posts illustrate again how crazy it would be for ECNL not to address the summer trap players as part of the fall 2026 registration change. Teams a grade down resentful of trap players playing down during their trapped seasons, messing up the rosters for all, throwing the trapped player into a hostile situation and upsetting the younger team dynamic. Better to have teams integrating those trapped kids under the new system with their grade so that doesn’t happen anymore. And trapped players can’t play in post-season. Again - why not eliminate this in fall 2026!

You realize for 8th graders and 7th graders who's teams they MAY play on (they could be doing other things), it's one 2-3 month season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It was 8/1 before it went to BY right? Was anyone clamoring for 9/1 back then? Seemed to be a good date for a school year approach since it captures most, if not all states.

9/1 or it goes 8/1 if they get pushed by states like Indiana, Hawaii and Missouri. Could always split the baby and go 8/15. Would be worth it for the shock value.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the prior couple of posts illustrate again how crazy it would be for ECNL not to address the summer trap players as part of the fall 2026 registration change. Teams a grade down resentful of trap players playing down during their trapped seasons, messing up the rosters for all, throwing the trapped player into a hostile situation and upsetting the younger team dynamic. Better to have teams integrating those trapped kids under the new system with their grade so that doesn’t happen anymore. And trapped players can’t play in post-season. Again - why not eliminate this in fall 2026!

No players in DMV will be trapped by a 9/1 soccer cutoff, given that no schools in DMV use an earlier cutoff. The August DMV players who are trapped should blame their parents for holding them back when they were supposed to start school.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the number is states with 8/1 or 8/15 school cutoff dates?

here is a list from 2020:

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab1_3-2020.asp

Interesting. Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Email [e-mail] a quick note if you agree that 8/1, or 9/1 to 7/31 with flex August, or SY + 60/62, is better than 9/1. Please and thank you!

Pathetic.

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Anonymous wrote:It was 8/1 before it went to BY right? Was anyone clamoring for 9/1 back then? Seemed to be a good date for a school year approach since it captures most, if not all states.

9/1 or it goes 8/1 if they get pushed by states like Indiana, Hawaii and Missouri. Could always split the baby and go 8/15. Would be worth it for the shock value.

lol - it would be funny if they just dropped a bomb and did something completely random. We would get to 1000 in no time!

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Anonymous wrote:Email [e-mail] a quick note if you agree that 8/1, or 9/1 to 7/31 with flex August, or SY + 60/62, is better than 9/1. Please and thank you!

Pathetic.

I didn't write this, but why is that pathetic?