ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They studied the issue and 9/1 was the best option.

That is not what happened. They didn’t study anything. They looked at the frequency of state school age cutoffs, with 9/1, 8/31 and 9/30 being the most frequent and chose 9/1.

What they didn’t do is look at their own population of players or communities to see what the impact would be for existing players and future pools.

They didn’t “study” anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They studied the issue and 9/1 was the best option.

That is not what happened. They didn’t study anything. They looked at the frequency of state school age cutoffs, with 9/1, 8/31 and 9/30 being the most frequent and chose 9/1.

What they didn’t do is look at their own population of players or communities to see what the impact would be for existing players and future pools.

They didn’t “study” anything.

They are hinting that 9/1 is viewed as the best option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They studied the issue and 9/1 was the best option.

That is not what happened. They didn’t study anything. They looked at the frequency of state school age cutoffs, with 9/1, 8/31 and 9/30 being the most frequent and chose 9/1.

What they didn’t do is look at their own population of players or communities to see what the impact would be for existing players and future pools.

They didn’t “study” anything.

If they looked at the frequency of state school age cutoffs and determined which are the most common, then the did the appropriate study. You just don’t like the answer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And just to boost our numbers, let me drop this nugget in here...my SY kid could beat up your BY kid. The only reason your BY kid is scoring 2 goals a year is because they are a March baby. Eat that

If we're ALL being honest, the true top kids playing a year or MORE up already, eat everyone's lunch and aren't affected by the whole SY/BY debate!

Most kids playing up are at small clubs that struggle to fill out age groups. And most are real young.

Playing up has such a wide range that saying your kid plays up doesn't have the meaning that many think it does.

This is true. Big clubs are reluctant to play up kids that should be played up because it upsets the apple cart and potentially costs them players / families that would otherwise be explacements in colleges.

Agree. At big, top level clubs the only kids playing up are YNT caliber kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So the prior couple of posts illustrate again how crazy it would be for ECNL not to address the summer trap players as part of the fall 2026 registration change. Teams a grade down resentful of trap players playing down during their trapped seasons, messing up the rosters for all, throwing the trapped player into a hostile situation and upsetting the younger team dynamic. Better to have teams integrating those trapped kids under the new system with their grade so that doesn’t happen anymore. And trapped players can’t play in post-season. Again - why not eliminate this in fall 2026!

No players in DMV will be trapped by a 9/1 soccer cutoff, given that no schools in DMV use an earlier cutoff. The August DMV players who are trapped should blame their parents for holding them back when they were supposed to start school.

This issue is bigger than DMV. And you understand the school cutoff doesn't tell someone when they're "supposed" to start school? The date picked by a state or school system just establishes the minimum age a kid needs to be in order to start that grade. For DMV, you just have to be 5 on or before 9/1 to start in kindergarten. It doesn't mean they have to start kindergarten when they are 5 years old. This might surprise you, but they can start later. But you already know that and are just trolling. Or, you just don't understand how it works because it has no impact on you, so in that case you're close-minded and incapable of seeing things from a lens other than your own.

I'm pretty sure VA is included in the DMV and that date is 9/31.

No it’s not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the prior couple of posts illustrate again how crazy it would be for ECNL not to address the summer trap players as part of the fall 2026 registration change. Teams a grade down resentful of trap players playing down during their trapped seasons, messing up the rosters for all, throwing the trapped player into a hostile situation and upsetting the younger team dynamic. Better to have teams integrating those trapped kids under the new system with their grade so that doesn’t happen anymore. And trapped players can’t play in post-season. Again - why not eliminate this in fall 2026!

No players in DMV will be trapped by a 9/1 soccer cutoff, given that no schools in DMV use an earlier cutoff. The August DMV players who are trapped should blame their parents for holding them back when they were supposed to start school.

This issue is bigger than DMV. And you understand the school cutoff doesn't tell someone when they're "supposed" to start school? The date picked by a state or school system just establishes the minimum age a kid needs to be in order to start that grade. For DMV, you just have to be 5 on or before 9/1 to start in kindergarten. It doesn't mean they have to start kindergarten when they are 5 years old. This might surprise you, but they can start later. But you already know that and are just trolling. Or, you just don't understand how it works because it has no impact on you, so in that case you're close-minded and incapable of seeing things from a lens other than your own.

I'm pretty sure VA is included in the DMV and that date is 9/31.

No it’s not.

Fairfax County is 9/30

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They studied the issue and 9/1 was the best option.

That is not what happened. They didn’t study anything. They looked at the frequency of state school age cutoffs, with 9/1, 8/31 and 9/30 being the most frequent and chose 9/1.

What they didn’t do is look at their own population of players or communities to see what the impact would be for existing players and future pools.

They didn’t “study” anything.

If they looked at the frequency of state school age cutoffs and determined which are the most common, then the did the appropriate study. You just don’t like the answer.

A lot of assumption about my preferences. I am happy with 9/1 actually.

But ECNL didn’t study anything. They are ALSO making assumptions based on superficial information. Let’s not pretend they did more than they did. At best they’re lazy, at worst cynical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the prior couple of posts illustrate again how crazy it would be for ECNL not to address the summer trap players as part of the fall 2026 registration change. Teams a grade down resentful of trap players playing down during their trapped seasons, messing up the rosters for all, throwing the trapped player into a hostile situation and upsetting the younger team dynamic. Better to have teams integrating those trapped kids under the new system with their grade so that doesn’t happen anymore. And trapped players can’t play in post-season. Again - why not eliminate this in fall 2026!

No players in DMV will be trapped by a 9/1 soccer cutoff, given that no schools in DMV use an earlier cutoff. The August DMV players who are trapped should blame their parents for holding them back when they were supposed to start school.

This issue is bigger than DMV. And you understand the school cutoff doesn't tell someone when they're "supposed" to start school? The date picked by a state or school system just establishes the minimum age a kid needs to be in order to start that grade. For DMV, you just have to be 5 on or before 9/1 to start in kindergarten. It doesn't mean they have to start kindergarten when they are 5 years old. This might surprise you, but they can start later. But you already know that and are just trolling. Or, you just don't understand how it works because it has no impact on you, so in that case you're close-minded and incapable of seeing things from a lens other than your own.

I'm pretty sure VA is included in the DMV and that date is 9/31.

No it’s not.

Fairfax County is 9/30

All northern VA counties are 9/30

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the prior couple of posts illustrate again how crazy it would be for ECNL not to address the summer trap players as part of the fall 2026 registration change. Teams a grade down resentful of trap players playing down during their trapped seasons, messing up the rosters for all, throwing the trapped player into a hostile situation and upsetting the younger team dynamic. Better to have teams integrating those trapped kids under the new system with their grade so that doesn’t happen anymore. And trapped players can’t play in post-season. Again - why not eliminate this in fall 2026!

No players in DMV will be trapped by a 9/1 soccer cutoff, given that no schools in DMV use an earlier cutoff. The August DMV players who are trapped should blame their parents for holding them back when they were supposed to start school.

This issue is bigger than DMV. And you understand the school cutoff doesn't tell someone when they're "supposed" to start school? The date picked by a state or school system just establishes the minimum age a kid needs to be in order to start that grade. For DMV, you just have to be 5 on or before 9/1 to start in kindergarten. It doesn't mean they have to start kindergarten when they are 5 years old. This might surprise you, but they can start later. But you already know that and are just trolling. Or, you just don't understand how it works because it has no impact on you, so in that case you're close-minded and incapable of seeing things from a lens other than your own.

I'm pretty sure VA is included in the DMV and that date is 9/31.

9/31 isn't actually a day. So I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the prior couple of posts illustrate again how crazy it would be for ECNL not to address the summer trap players as part of the fall 2026 registration change. Teams a grade down resentful of trap players playing down during their trapped seasons, messing up the rosters for all, throwing the trapped player into a hostile situation and upsetting the younger team dynamic. Better to have teams integrating those trapped kids under the new system with their grade so that doesn’t happen anymore. And trapped players can’t play in post-season. Again - why not eliminate this in fall 2026!

No players in DMV will be trapped by a 9/1 soccer cutoff, given that no schools in DMV use an earlier cutoff. The August DMV players who are trapped should blame their parents for holding them back when they were supposed to start school.

This issue is bigger than DMV. And you understand the school cutoff doesn't tell someone when they're "supposed" to start school? The date picked by a state or school system just establishes the minimum age a kid needs to be in order to start that grade. For DMV, you just have to be 5 on or before 9/1 to start in kindergarten. It doesn't mean they have to start kindergarten when they are 5 years old. This might surprise you, but they can start later. But you already know that and are just trolling. Or, you just don't understand how it works because it has no impact on you, so in that case you're close-minded and incapable of seeing things from a lens other than your own.

I'm pretty sure VA is included in the DMV and that date is 9/31.

No it’s not.

Fairfax County is 9/30

Correct.

I’ve yet to see a single state with a 9/31 cutoff though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the prior couple of posts illustrate again how crazy it would be for ECNL not to address the summer trap players as part of the fall 2026 registration change. Teams a grade down resentful of trap players playing down during their trapped seasons, messing up the rosters for all, throwing the trapped player into a hostile situation and upsetting the younger team dynamic. Better to have teams integrating those trapped kids under the new system with their grade so that doesn’t happen anymore. And trapped players can’t play in post-season. Again - why not eliminate this in fall 2026!

No players in DMV will be trapped by a 9/1 soccer cutoff, given that no schools in DMV use an earlier cutoff. The August DMV players who are trapped should blame their parents for holding them back when they were supposed to start school.

This issue is bigger than DMV. And you understand the school cutoff doesn't tell someone when they're "supposed" to start school? The date picked by a state or school system just establishes the minimum age a kid needs to be in order to start that grade. For DMV, you just have to be 5 on or before 9/1 to start in kindergarten. It doesn't mean they have to start kindergarten when they are 5 years old. This might surprise you, but they can start later. But you already know that and are just trolling. Or, you just don't understand how it works because it has no impact on you, so in that case you're close-minded and incapable of seeing things from a lens other than your own.

I'm pretty sure VA is included in the DMV and that date is 9/31.

9/31 isn't actually a day. So I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

Glad someone gets me. 😛

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They studied the issue and 9/1 was the best option.

That is not what happened. They didn’t study anything. They looked at the frequency of state school age cutoffs, with 9/1, 8/31 and 9/30 being the most frequent and chose 9/1.

What they didn’t do is look at their own population of players or communities to see what the impact would be for existing players and future pools.

They didn’t “study” anything.

If they looked at the frequency of state school age cutoffs and determined which are the most common, then the did the appropriate study. You just don’t like the answer.

A lot of assumption about my preferences. I am happy with 9/1 actually.

But ECNL didn’t study anything. They are ALSO making assumptions based on superficial information. Let’s not pretend they did more than they did. At best they’re lazy, at worst cynical.

Think it was US Club that did the study determining 9/1 to be of the utmost use and value.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They studied the issue and 9/1 was the best option.

That is not what happened. They didn’t study anything. They looked at the frequency of state school age cutoffs, with 9/1, 8/31 and 9/30 being the most frequent and chose 9/1.

What they didn’t do is look at their own population of players or communities to see what the impact would be for existing players and future pools.

They didn’t “study” anything.

If they looked at the frequency of state school age cutoffs and determined which are the most common, then the did the appropriate study. You just don’t like the answer.

A lot of assumption about my preferences. I am happy with 9/1 actually.

But ECNL didn’t study anything. They are ALSO making assumptions based on superficial information. Let’s not pretend they did more than they did. At best they’re lazy, at worst cynical.

What do you want them to do? Assuming births are spread relatively evenly across the year (they are; this topic was covered in the 200s or so), isn’t determining what is the most commonly applicable school cutoff day the single most relevant factor if you’re trying to minimize trapped players?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They studied the issue and 9/1 was the best option.

That is not what happened. They didn’t study anything. They looked at the frequency of state school age cutoffs, with 9/1, 8/31 and 9/30 being the most frequent and chose 9/1.

What they didn’t do is look at their own population of players or communities to see what the impact would be for existing players and future pools.

They didn’t “study” anything.

If they looked at the frequency of state school age cutoffs and determined which are the most common, then the did the appropriate study. You just don’t like the answer.

A lot of assumption about my preferences. I am happy with 9/1 actually.

But ECNL didn’t study anything. They are ALSO making assumptions based on superficial information. Let’s not pretend they did more than they did. At best they’re lazy, at worst cynical.

What do you want them to do? Assuming births are spread relatively evenly across the year (they are; this topic was covered in the 200s or so), isn’t determining what is the most commonly applicable school cutoff day the single most relevant factor if you’re trying to minimize trapped players?

The googles says August is the most common birth month.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They studied the issue and 9/1 was the best option.

That is not what happened. They didn’t study anything. They looked at the frequency of state school age cutoffs, with 9/1, 8/31 and 9/30 being the most frequent and chose 9/1.

What they didn’t do is look at their own population of players or communities to see what the impact would be for existing players and future pools.

They didn’t “study” anything.

If they looked at the frequency of state school age cutoffs and determined which are the most common, then the did the appropriate study. You just don’t like the answer.

A lot of assumption about my preferences. I am happy with 9/1 actually.

But ECNL didn’t study anything. They are ALSO making assumptions based on superficial information. Let’s not pretend they did more than they did. At best they’re lazy, at worst cynical.

What do you want them to do? Assuming births are spread relatively evenly across the year (they are; this topic was covered in the 200s or so), isn’t determining what is the most commonly applicable school cutoff day the single most relevant factor if you’re trying to minimize trapped players?

The googles says August is the most common birth month.

Followed by July…