ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

This is for next fall when SY starts.

11v11 = U18/U19 = ≤ 8/1/2007-July 31 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U17 = ≤ 8/1/2009-July 31 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U16 = ≤ 8/1/2010-July 31 ≈ Junior
11v11 = U15 = ≤ 8/1/2011-July 31 ≈ Sophomore
11v11 = U14 = ≤ 8/1/2012-July 31 ≈ Freshman
11v11 = U13 = ≤ 8/1/2013-July 31 ≈ 8th grade
9v9/11v11 = U12 = ≤ 8/1/2014-July 31 ≈ 7th grade
9v9 = U11 = ≤ 8/1/2015-July 31 ≈ 6th grade
9v9 = U10 = ≤ 8/1/2016-July 31 ≈ 5th grade
7v7 = U9 = ≤ 8/1/2017-July 31 ≈ 4th grade
7v7 = U8 = ≤ 8/1/2018-July 31 ≈ 3rd grade
4v4 = U7 = ≤ 8/1/2019-July 31 ≈ 2nd grade
4v4 = U6 = ≤ 8/1/2020-July 31 ≈ 1st grade

Using U14 as an example what this is saying is...

1. They play 11v11
2. Players turn 14 after Aug 1
3. Players are younger than or equal to 8/1/2012
4. Players are most likely be Freshman or younger

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You want charts - FC Delco near Philly posted a detailed tryouts FAQ. The one thing that caught my attention is that current U13 ECNL players born after 7/31 don't have to abide by the "May 1st" club permission required to try out for a new ECNL club

https://fcdelco.org/programs/tryout-information/

I think theyre just saying that players that cant be playing in ECNL yet (unless they were playing up which pokes holes in their statement) can tryout before 7/31.

Technically ECNL club players are only allowed to tryout at other ECNL clubs in specific defined periods of time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:its just ridiculious reading what age guy writes because its all so obvious that his end goal is older players (36 months older) playing against correct age players.

Always looking to steal accomplishments from younger players.

No one is pushing for 36 month age groupings. You’re the only one pushing for kids to play up based on grade.

12 months is it. Anyone who wants to play up can if they are able and the club will allow it.

If play downs / holdbacks are allowed they will be potentially 36 months older than the youngest correct grade player.

This is because HS allows players to be held back 2 times.

Fear mongering alert. Going with a 12 month age window for league play solves this, whoops already done.

I have a misaligned August player and hoping they can play on age. But league games don't seem as important as tournaments and showcases. If showcases are going graduation year this will be a challenge for those who are misaligned.

Showcases going grad year are just a rumor from USYS now. They will probably do some type of test tournament first.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:its just ridiculious reading what age guy writes because its all so obvious that his end goal is older players (36 months older) playing against correct age players.

Always looking to steal accomplishments from younger players.

No one is pushing for 36 month age groupings. You’re the only one pushing for kids to play up based on grade.

12 months is it. Anyone who wants to play up can if they are able and the club will allow it.

If play downs / holdbacks are allowed they will be potentially 36 months older than the youngest correct grade player.

This is because HS allows players to be held back 2 times.

Fear mongering alert. Going with a 12 month age window for league play solves this, whoops already done.

I have a misaligned August player and hoping they can play on age. But league games don't seem as important as tournaments and showcases. If showcases are going graduation year this will be a challenge for those who are misaligned.

Can you be a little more clear about what you're excited about? With an August birthday you potentially have 2 different outcomes depending on when your school starts.

If your school starts Sept 1st this means your Aug birthday kid will be a grade up in school than all the players on the team when we switch from BY to SY. Your kid will go from playing on a team with players a grade older (BY) to a team with players a grade younger (SY).

Most people in this situation will choose to play their kid "up" on the correct grade in school team so they’re no longer misaligned.

My club doesn't allow choosing to play up. Where is that a thing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is for next fall when SY starts.

11v11 = U18/U19 = ≤ 8/1/2007-July 31 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U17 = ≤ 8/1/2009-July 31 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U16 = ≤ 8/1/2010-July 31 ≈ Junior
11v11 = U15 = ≤ 8/1/2011-July 31 ≈ Sophomore
11v11 = U14 = ≤ 8/1/2012-July 31 ≈ Freshman
11v11 = U13 = ≤ 8/1/2013-July 31 ≈ 8th grade
9v9/11v11 = U12 = ≤ 8/1/2014-July 31 ≈ 7th grade
9v9 = U11 = ≤ 8/1/2015-July 31 ≈ 6th grade
9v9 = U10 = ≤ 8/1/2016-July 31 ≈ 5th grade
7v7 = U9 = ≤ 8/1/2017-July 31 ≈ 4th grade
7v7 = U8 = ≤ 8/1/2018-July 31 ≈ 3rd grade
4v4 = U7 = ≤ 8/1/2019-July 31 ≈ 2nd grade
4v4 = U6 = ≤ 8/1/2020-July 31 ≈ 1st grade

Using U14 as an example what this is saying is...

1. They play 11v11
2. Players turn 14 after Aug 1
3. Players are younger than or equal to 8/1/2012
4. Players are most likely be Freshman or younger

Wrong because you're saying that all Seniors can play in 2009 next fall and thats not true.

Everyone can see that you really want to show playing down. Seriously learn some math and figure out how to present it correctly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:its just ridiculious reading what age guy writes because its all so obvious that his end goal is older players (36 months older) playing against correct age players.

Always looking to steal accomplishments from younger players.

No one is pushing for 36 month age groupings. You’re the only one pushing for kids to play up based on grade.

12 months is it. Anyone who wants to play up can if they are able and the club will allow it.

If play downs / holdbacks are allowed they will be potentially 36 months older than the youngest correct grade player.

This is because HS allows players to be held back 2 times.

Fear mongering alert. Going with a 12 month age window for league play solves this, whoops already done.

I have a misaligned August player and hoping they can play on age. But league games don't seem as important as tournaments and showcases. If showcases are going graduation year this will be a challenge for those who are misaligned.

Can you be a little more clear about what you're excited about? With an August birthday you potentially have 2 different outcomes depending on when your school starts.

If your school starts Sept 1st this means your Aug birthday kid will be a grade up in school than all the players on the team when we switch from BY to SY. Your kid will go from playing on a team with players a grade older (BY) to a team with players a grade younger (SY).

Most people in this situation will choose to play their kid "up" on the correct grade in school team so they’re no longer misaligned.

My club doesn't allow choosing to play up. Where is that a thing?

League rules say that it is.

Clubs can have their own rules though.

[Anonymous]

Still 100% correct.

This is for next fall when SY starts.

11v11 = U18/U19 = ≤ 8/1/2007 ≈ Senior
11v11 = U17 = ≤ 8/1/2009 ≈ Junior
11v11 = U16 = ≤ 8/1/2010 ≈ Sophmore
11v11 = U15 = ≤ 8/1/2011 ≈ Freshman
11v11 = U14 = ≤ 8/1/2012 ≈ 8th grade
11v11 = U13 = ≤ 8/1/2013 ≈ 7th grade
9v9/11v11 = U12 = ≤ 8/1/2014 ≈ 6th grade
9v9 = U11 = ≤ 8/1/2015 ≈ 5th grade
9v9 = U10 = ≤ 8/1/2016 ≈ 4th grade
7v7 = U9 = ≤ 8/1/2017 ≈ 3rd grade
7v7 = U8 = ≤ 8/1/2018 ≈ 2nd grade
4v4 = U7 = ≤ 8/1/2019 ≈ 1st grade
4v4 = U6 = ≤ 8/1/2020 ≈ Kindergarten

Using U14 as an example what this is saying is...

1. They play 11v11
2. Players turn 14 after Aug 1
3. Players are younger than or equal to 8/1/2012
4. Players are most likely in 8th grade

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:its just ridiculious reading what age guy writes because its all so obvious that his end goal is older players (36 months older) playing against correct age players.

Always looking to steal accomplishments from younger players.

No one is pushing for 36 month age groupings. You’re the only one pushing for kids to play up based on grade.

12 months is it. Anyone who wants to play up can if they are able and the club will allow it.

If play downs / holdbacks are allowed they will be potentially 36 months older than the youngest correct grade player.

This is because HS allows players to be held back 2 times.

Fear mongering alert. Going with a 12 month age window for league play solves this, whoops already done.

I have a misaligned August player and hoping they can play on age. But league games don't seem as important as tournaments and showcases. If showcases are going graduation year this will be a challenge for those who are misaligned.

Showcases going grad year are just a rumor from USYS now. They will probably do some type of test tournament first.

More like a hail mary pass from USYS to try and be relevant. Nobody cares

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:its just ridiculious reading what age guy writes because its all so obvious that his end goal is older players (36 months older) playing against correct age players.

Always looking to steal accomplishments from younger players.

No one is pushing for 36 month age groupings. You’re the only one pushing for kids to play up based on grade.

12 months is it. Anyone who wants to play up can if they are able and the club will allow it.

If play downs / holdbacks are allowed they will be potentially 36 months older than the youngest correct grade player.

This is because HS allows players to be held back 2 times.

Fear mongering alert. Going with a 12 month age window for league play solves this, whoops already done.

I have a misaligned August player and hoping they can play on age. But league games don't seem as important as tournaments and showcases. If showcases are going graduation year this will be a challenge for those who are misaligned.

Can you be a little more clear about what you're excited about? With an August birthday you potentially have 2 different outcomes depending on when your school starts.

If your school starts Sept 1st this means your Aug birthday kid will be a grade up in school than all the players on the team when we switch from BY to SY. Your kid will go from playing on a team with players a grade older (BY) to a team with players a grade younger (SY).

Most people in this situation will choose to play their kid "up" on the correct grade in school team so they’re no longer misaligned.

My club doesn't allow choosing to play up. Where is that a thing?

I know of a case where a top team AugDec bday was asked whether they wanted to stay with grade OR play on age. Depending on the player/family/club, the choice is happening for some at least.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:its just ridiculious reading what age guy writes because its all so obvious that his end goal is older players (36 months older) playing against correct age players.

Always looking to steal accomplishments from younger players.

No one is pushing for 36 month age groupings. You’re the only one pushing for kids to play up based on grade.

12 months is it. Anyone who wants to play up can if they are able and the club will allow it.

If play downs / holdbacks are allowed they will be potentially 36 months older than the youngest correct grade player.

This is because HS allows players to be held back 2 times.

Fear mongering alert. Going with a 12 month age window for league play solves this, whoops already done.

I have a misaligned August player and hoping they can play on age. But league games don't seem as important as tournaments and showcases. If showcases are going graduation year this will be a challenge for those who are misaligned.

Showcases going grad year are just a rumor from USYS now. They will probably do some type of test tournament first.

More like a hail mary pass from USYS to try and be relevant. Nobody cares

GA and ECNL did a number on USYS. Many of the clubs still have teams in national league, but it's their second teams as part of the former E64 system. Kinda ruined the the whole pro/reg thing that the USYS has largely done right. This is why, I think, ECRL and NPL are now going to be part of the USYS playoffs. It's trying to put toothpaste back in the tube. GA would be smart to allow its Aspire teams to join.

[Anonymous]

I should add MLSN, too. Their took a bunch of solid USYS clubs with their Academy Division.

And the USYS, because of its inability to attract college coaches to events, played a big role in these shifts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You want charts - FC Delco near Philly posted a detailed tryouts FAQ. The one thing that caught my attention is that current U13 ECNL players born after 7/31 don't have to abide by the "May 1st" club permission required to try out for a new ECNL club

https://fcdelco.org/programs/tryout-information/

I think theyre just saying that players that cant be playing in ECNL yet (unless they were playing up which pokes holes in their statement) can tryout before 7/31.

Technically ECNL club players are only allowed to tryout at other ECNL clubs in specific defined periods of time.

It doesn't say anything other than D.O.B. They're not playing "up", they're just your typical Aug-Dec 2013 who is on an ECNL team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:its just ridiculious reading what age guy writes because its all so obvious that his end goal is older players (36 months older) playing against correct age players.

Always looking to steal accomplishments from younger players.

No one is pushing for 36 month age groupings. You’re the only one pushing for kids to play up based on grade.

12 months is it. Anyone who wants to play up can if they are able and the club will allow it.

If play downs / holdbacks are allowed they will be potentially 36 months older than the youngest correct grade player.

This is because HS allows players to be held back 2 times.

Fear mongering alert. Going with a 12 month age window for league play solves this, whoops already done.

I have a misaligned August player and hoping they can play on age. But league games don't seem as important as tournaments and showcases. If showcases are going graduation year this will be a challenge for those who are misaligned.

Can you be a little more clear about what you're excited about? With an August birthday you potentially have 2 different outcomes depending on when your school starts.

If your school starts Sept 1st this means your Aug birthday kid will be a grade up in school than all the players on the team when we switch from BY to SY. Your kid will go from playing on a team with players a grade older (BY) to a team with players a grade younger (SY).

Most people in this situation will choose to play their kid "up" on the correct grade in school team so they’re no longer misaligned.

My club doesn't allow choosing to play up. Where is that a thing?

I know of a case where a top team AugDec bday was asked whether they wanted to stay with grade OR play on age. Depending on the player/family/club, the choice is happening for some at least.

This is what will happen at first. Clubs dont want to lose players so they'll say whatever parents want to hear.

Once everyone is slotted into SY this fall clubs will slowly pressure Aug birthdays into playing on their correct grade in. school team.

Eventually clubs will just group Aug birthdays by grade.

But, at younger ages you'll likely see Aug birthdays playing down as guests at tournaments for wins.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:its just ridiculious reading what age guy writes because its all so obvious that his end goal is older players (36 months older) playing against correct age players.

Always looking to steal accomplishments from younger players.

No one is pushing for 36 month age groupings. You’re the only one pushing for kids to play up based on grade.

12 months is it. Anyone who wants to play up can if they are able and the club will allow it.

If play downs / holdbacks are allowed they will be potentially 36 months older than the youngest correct grade player.

This is because HS allows players to be held back 2 times.

Fear mongering alert. Going with a 12 month age window for league play solves this, whoops already done.

I have a misaligned August player and hoping they can play on age. But league games don't seem as important as tournaments and showcases. If showcases are going graduation year this will be a challenge for those who are misaligned.

Can you be a little more clear about what you're excited about? With an August birthday you potentially have 2 different outcomes depending on when your school starts.

If your school starts Sept 1st this means your Aug birthday kid will be a grade up in school than all the players on the team when we switch from BY to SY. Your kid will go from playing on a team with players a grade older (BY) to a team with players a grade younger (SY).

Most people in this situation will choose to play their kid "up" on the correct grade in school team so they’re no longer misaligned.

My club doesn't allow choosing to play up. Where is that a thing?

I know of a case where a top team AugDec bday was asked whether they wanted to stay with grade OR play on age. Depending on the player/family/club, the choice is happening for some at least.

Makes sense. Fits under this

11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2007 + younger (May include Senior/Junior)
11v11 = U17 = 8/1/2009 + younger (May include Senior/Junior/Sophomore)
11v11 = U16 = 8/1/2010 + younger (May include Junior/Sophomore/Freshman)
11v11 = U15 = 8/1/2011 + younger (May include Sophomore/Freshman/8th grade)
11v11 = U14 = 8/1/2012 + younger (May include Freshman/8th grade/7th grade)
11v11 = U13 = 8/1/2013 + younger (May include 8th grade/7th grade/6th grade)
11v11 = U12 = 8/1/2014 + younger (May include 7th grade/6th grade/5th grade)
9v9 = U11 = 8/1/2015 + younger (May include 6th grade/5th grade/4th grade)
9v9 = U10 = 8/1/2016 + younger (May include 5th grade/4th grade/3rd grade)
7v7 = U9 = 8/1/2017 + younger (May include 4th grade/3rd grade/2nd grade
7v7 = U8 = 8/1/2018 + younger (May include 3rd grade/2nd grade/1st grade
4v4 = U7 = 8/1/2019 + younger (May include 2nd/grade/1st grade/kindergarten)
4v4 = U6 = 8/1/2020 + younger (May include 1st grade/kindergarten/Pre-school)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I should add MLSN, too. Their took a bunch of solid USYS clubs with their Academy Division.

And the USYS, because of its inability to attract college coaches to events, played a big role in these shifts.

I should add that instead of being a weasel trying to confuse parents into sneaking older players into SY. Do it the "correct" way like what MLS did.

GSB (grow some balls) and implement a waiver program. Stop trying to be a sneak thinking that people wont know what you're trying to do.