Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?

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Anonymous wrote:Even here, they're telling people in downtown DC to go home now.

Kinda late for that.

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Anonymous wrote:What are they waiting for, preparing the riot squads?

I live in the Twin Cities. Lots of people getting notice from work to go home now if they are able. The state high school cancelled all sports, practices, and after school activities right around school dismissal. There are National Guard everywhere, not just downtown by the courthouse. There is a whole network/web of law enforcement from the surrounding metro ready to be activated. You could cut the tension with a knife here for the last few days. I pray everyone is safe.

Praying for all involved, PP. I know that will get some snark but it's what I can do from here.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people really think he will get off? I’m sure he will be found guilty of at least something.

What will the reaction be if he's only guilty of manslaughter?

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Please post with updates. Not able to follow. Thanks

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Anonymous wrote:Do people really think he will get off? I’m sure he will be found guilty of at least something.

What will the reaction be if he's only guilty of manslaughter?

Watch it burn?

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Anonymous wrote:Please post with updates. Not able to follow. Thanks

Nothing yet.

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If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.


^^definitely likely scenario.

I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.

Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.

I served as a juror on a clear case of manslaughter. Father beat his infant for crying too much and baby died from severe blows to head. What PP described above is really what it sounds like being on a jury. It's just so damn sad.

Oh my. You must have been totally traumatized by that. I can't imagine.

It was awful. That poor mother. It was the third trial following two prior mistrials due to jury shenanigans like what was reported above. Jurors never talked about the admissible evidence, only the stuff that judge moved to strike from record. And some jurors felt it necessary to consider how bad their parents had it in jail so why should someone else go through that. Nothing at trial that should've been relevant where between jurors when doors were closed. Now, many years later, I know that if it ever comes down to jury trial, avoid at all costs. Jurors are humans who bring their baggage and biases into it and are really bitter about being there.

And I really wanted that dad to rot in jail.

I had exactly the same jury experience—no law, just people’s baggage. If you’re innocent, ALWAYS go for bench trial.

As if judges aren't biased.

They absolutely are biased, I have experienced it myself.

They are, for sure. But the jurors often take things out of context, don't understand the law or burden of proof. The standards are confusing for jurors and they get it wrong a lot. So which is the lesser of two evils? As an attorney, I've had this conversation with crim atty friends and DAs a lot. Most of my DA friends from law school would go with bench trial 9 times of out 10. Juror trials need to be reformed entirely.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people really think he will get off? I’m sure he will be found guilty of at least something.

What will the reaction be if he's only guilty of manslaughter?

I’m the PP and this is my guess.

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Anonymous wrote:Please post with updates. Not able to follow. Thanks

Nothing yet.

This wait is agonizing!

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Anonymous wrote:Do people really think he will get off? I’m sure he will be found guilty of at least something.

What will the reaction be if he's only guilty of manslaughter?

I’m the PP and this is my guess.

I think he's going to be guilty on all three.

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Anonymous wrote:What are they waiting for, preparing the riot squads?

I live in the Twin Cities. Lots of people getting notice from work to go home now if they are able. The state high school cancelled all sports, practices, and after school activities right around school dismissal. There are National Guard everywhere, not just downtown by the courthouse. There is a whole network/web of law enforcement from the surrounding metro ready to be activated. You could cut the tension with a knife here for the last few days. I pray everyone is safe.

Praying for all involved, PP. I know that will get some snark but it's what I can do from here.

Twin Cities PP here: thank you.

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If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.


^^definitely likely scenario.

I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.

Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.

I served as a juror on a clear case of manslaughter. Father beat his infant for crying too much and baby died from severe blows to head. What PP described above is really what it sounds like being on a jury. It's just so damn sad.

Oh my. You must have been totally traumatized by that. I can't imagine.

It was awful. That poor mother. It was the third trial following two prior mistrials due to jury shenanigans like what was reported above. Jurors never talked about the admissible evidence, only the stuff that judge moved to strike from record. And some jurors felt it necessary to consider how bad their parents had it in jail so why should someone else go through that. Nothing at trial that should've been relevant where between jurors when doors were closed. Now, many years later, I know that if it ever comes down to jury trial, avoid at all costs. Jurors are humans who bring their baggage and biases into it and are really bitter about being there.

And I really wanted that dad to rot in jail.

I had exactly the same jury experience—no law, just people’s baggage. If you’re innocent, ALWAYS go for bench trial.

As if judges aren't biased.

They absolutely are biased, I have experienced it myself.

They are, for sure. But the jurors often take things out of context, don't understand the law or burden of proof. The standards are confusing for jurors and they get it wrong a lot. So which is the lesser of two evils? As an attorney, I've had this conversation with crim atty friends and DAs a lot. Most of my DA friends from law school would go with bench trial 9 times of out 10. Juror trials need to be reformed entirely.

Listen, you are quoting me. Experienced first hand how unjust our "justice" system is. State prosecutors are not in it for justice or truth which was a HUGE dose of reality for me. They are in it to win and to prove a theory right, regardless of the truth. My whole life I thought that if the State was prosecuting then they must be right. I can't blame the jury one bit. They follow the instructions, are told they have to come to a verdict no matter what, by biased judges. Try being a POC in the system in Maryland, Montgomery County and you will be screwed over. Just the way the judge glares at you and smiles at the State, of course you take your chances with a jury.

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Anonymous wrote:Please post with updates. Not able to follow. Thanks

Nothing yet.

This wait is agonizing!

Still nothing.

Twin Cities: Praying for everyone.

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Why would white rioters burn down black parts of the cities?

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Anonymous wrote:Why would white rioters burn down black parts of the cities?

Why do they burn things when their sports team wins