Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?

[Anonymous]

Not quoting for ease:

-Reason for delay: judge had already announced there would be a delay between the verdict and announcement.

-If he is convicted he would probably be taken into custody until sentencing, but it is up to the judge, he has some discretion. Noor was taken into custody.

-Sentencing won’t be for awhile in this case

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If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.


^^definitely likely scenario.

I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.

Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.

I served as a juror on a clear case of manslaughter. Father beat his infant for crying too much and baby died from severe blows to head. What PP described above is really what it sounds like being on a jury. It's just so damn sad.

Oh my. You must have been totally traumatized by that. I can't imagine.

It was awful. That poor mother. It was the third trial following two prior mistrials due to jury shenanigans like what was reported above. Jurors never talked about the admissible evidence, only the stuff that judge moved to strike from record. And some jurors felt it necessary to consider how bad their parents had it in jail so why should someone else go through that. Nothing at trial that should've been relevant where between jurors when doors were closed. Now, many years later, I know that if it ever comes down to jury trial, avoid at all costs. Jurors are humans who bring their baggage and biases into it and are really bitter about being there.

And I really wanted that dad to rot in jail.

My dad was a juror in a murder trial and that wasn't his experience. All of the jurors took their job seriously and wanted to come to the right conclusion, not the easiest or fastest or unrelated conclusion.

yes, I would imagine it would depend on your jury pool so it can be very rough. In our case, the trial had gone through 3 jury pools until they got it right. I guess this is why attorneys forum shop.

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If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.


^^definitely likely scenario.

I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.

Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.

I served as a juror on a clear case of manslaughter. Father beat his infant for crying too much and baby died from severe blows to head. What PP described above is really what it sounds like being on a jury. It's just so damn sad.

Oh my. You must have been totally traumatized by that. I can't imagine.

It was awful. That poor mother. It was the third trial following two prior mistrials due to jury shenanigans like what was reported above. Jurors never talked about the admissible evidence, only the stuff that judge moved to strike from record. And some jurors felt it necessary to consider how bad their parents had it in jail so why should someone else go through that. Nothing at trial that should've been relevant where between jurors when doors were closed. Now, many years later, I know that if it ever comes down to jury trial, avoid at all costs. Jurors are humans who bring their baggage and biases into it and are really bitter about being there.

And I really wanted that dad to rot in jail.

So the mother was also in jail?

No, mother wasn't in jail. She was clearly distraught from the loss of her infant.

The bolded was meant to reference a juror who nearly refused to convict because that juror's father had been in jail. The memory of her father in jail made her sad and she didn't want anyone else to be sentenced to jail. It was ridiculous trying to get her to separate her father's case from the case at hand.

I see. thank you!

[Anonymous]

My mom was on the Betty Broderick jury which deadlocked after her first trial. Most of the jury wanted murder, but there were 2 holdouts who wouldn't budge. She said it was the most frustrating experience in her life. Even when she got Alzheimer's and couldn't recognize close friends and relatives, she still would talk about that jury.

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If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.


^^definitely likely scenario.

I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.

Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.

I served as a juror on a clear case of manslaughter. Father beat his infant for crying too much and baby died from severe blows to head. What PP described above is really what it sounds like being on a jury. It's just so damn sad.

Oh my. You must have been totally traumatized by that. I can't imagine.

It was awful. That poor mother. It was the third trial following two prior mistrials due to jury shenanigans like what was reported above. Jurors never talked about the admissible evidence, only the stuff that judge moved to strike from record. And some jurors felt it necessary to consider how bad their parents had it in jail so why should someone else go through that. Nothing at trial that should've been relevant where between jurors when doors were closed. Now, many years later, I know that if it ever comes down to jury trial, avoid at all costs. Jurors are humans who bring their baggage and biases into it and are really bitter about being there.

And I really wanted that dad to rot in jail.

So the mother was also in jail?

No, mother wasn't in jail. She was clearly distraught from the loss of her infant.

The bolded was meant to reference a juror who nearly refused to convict because that juror's father had been in jail. The memory of her father in jail made her sad and she didn't want anyone else to be sentenced to jail. It was ridiculous trying to get her to separate her father's case from the case at hand.

Yikes. She should not have been on a jury. But I can imagine in DC it's basically impossible to empanel a jury with no background with criminal justice.

[Anonymous]

This jury is fairly young and fairly diverse. They were not sequestered until yesterday which was a factor in another case being mentioned here.

Voir dire was very extensive in this case. I hope that people will understand the jurors were just regular people who were tasked with something monumental. During voir dire multiple prospective jurors stated they were afraid or felt in danger (judge dismissed for cause).

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If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.


^^definitely likely scenario.

I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.

Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.

I served as a juror on a clear case of manslaughter. Father beat his infant for crying too much and baby died from severe blows to head. What PP described above is really what it sounds like being on a jury. It's just so damn sad.

Oh my. You must have been totally traumatized by that. I can't imagine.

It was awful. That poor mother. It was the third trial following two prior mistrials due to jury shenanigans like what was reported above. Jurors never talked about the admissible evidence, only the stuff that judge moved to strike from record. And some jurors felt it necessary to consider how bad their parents had it in jail so why should someone else go through that. Nothing at trial that should've been relevant where between jurors when doors were closed. Now, many years later, I know that if it ever comes down to jury trial, avoid at all costs. Jurors are humans who bring their baggage and biases into it and are really bitter about being there.

And I really wanted that dad to rot in jail.

I had exactly the same jury experience—no law, just people’s baggage. If you’re innocent, ALWAYS go for bench trial.

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If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.


^^definitely likely scenario.

I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.

Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.

I served as a juror on a clear case of manslaughter. Father beat his infant for crying too much and baby died from severe blows to head. What PP described above is really what it sounds like being on a jury. It's just so damn sad.

Oh my. You must have been totally traumatized by that. I can't imagine.

It was awful. That poor mother. It was the third trial following two prior mistrials due to jury shenanigans like what was reported above. Jurors never talked about the admissible evidence, only the stuff that judge moved to strike from record. And some jurors felt it necessary to consider how bad their parents had it in jail so why should someone else go through that. Nothing at trial that should've been relevant where between jurors when doors were closed. Now, many years later, I know that if it ever comes down to jury trial, avoid at all costs. Jurors are humans who bring their baggage and biases into it and are really bitter about being there.

And I really wanted that dad to rot in jail.

I had exactly the same jury experience—no law, just people’s baggage. If you’re innocent, ALWAYS go for bench trial.

As if judges aren't biased.

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If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.


^^definitely likely scenario.

I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.

Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.

I served as a juror on a clear case of manslaughter. Father beat his infant for crying too much and baby died from severe blows to head. What PP described above is really what it sounds like being on a jury. It's just so damn sad.

Oh my. You must have been totally traumatized by that. I can't imagine.

It was awful. That poor mother. It was the third trial following two prior mistrials due to jury shenanigans like what was reported above. Jurors never talked about the admissible evidence, only the stuff that judge moved to strike from record. And some jurors felt it necessary to consider how bad their parents had it in jail so why should someone else go through that. Nothing at trial that should've been relevant where between jurors when doors were closed. Now, many years later, I know that if it ever comes down to jury trial, avoid at all costs. Jurors are humans who bring their baggage and biases into it and are really bitter about being there.

And I really wanted that dad to rot in jail.

I had exactly the same jury experience—no law, just people’s baggage. If you’re innocent, ALWAYS go for bench trial.

As if judges aren't biased.

They absolutely are biased, I have experienced it myself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are they waiting for, preparing the riot squads?

I live in the Twin Cities. Lots of people getting notice from work to go home now if they are able. The state high school cancelled all sports, practices, and after school activities right around school dismissal. There are National Guard everywhere, not just downtown by the courthouse. There is a whole network/web of law enforcement from the surrounding metro ready to be activated. You could cut the tension with a knife here for the last few days. I pray everyone is safe.

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Anonymous wrote:What are they waiting for, preparing the riot squads?

I live in the Twin Cities. Lots of people getting notice from work to go home now if they are able. The state high school cancelled all sports, practices, and after school activities right around school dismissal. There are National Guard everywhere, not just downtown by the courthouse. There is a whole network/web of law enforcement from the surrounding metro ready to be activated. You could cut the tension with a knife here for the last few days. I pray everyone is safe.

PP here: meant to say State High School League.

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Anonymous wrote:What are they waiting for, preparing the riot squads?

I live in the Twin Cities. Lots of people getting notice from work to go home now if they are able. The state high school cancelled all sports, practices, and after school activities right around school dismissal. There are National Guard everywhere, not just downtown by the courthouse. There is a whole network/web of law enforcement from the surrounding metro ready to be activated. You could cut the tension with a knife here for the last few days. I pray everyone is safe.

I cannot imagine.

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Even here, they're telling people in downtown DC to go home now.

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Do people really think he will get off? I’m sure he will be found guilty of at least something.

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Anonymous wrote:If he’s guilty, does he get to stay out in bail?

I'd imagine for his own safety he will put in protective custody within the prison/jail.

He will be out soon enough though. Waters made sure of that.

You’re clearly not a lawyer. The bar for overturning a conviction is very high and her protected speech declaring that in the absence of a conviction activists will need to keep being confrontational and demand justice is no way no how going to get the conviction overturned.

Nice try though.