USC and Columbia Protests

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Anonymous wrote:"Biden camp not sweating political fallout from latest round of campus protests"
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/23/biden-camp-political-fallout-campus-protests-00154000

Remember those massive lines at UT, Michigan, and so many college campuses of young voters in 2020. I'm afraid the Dems will be in for a rude awakening with this blasé attitude.

The pictures of pro Hamas protests at state universities show very small crowds relative to the university sizes. I doubt most students are voting based on Gaza. This is the height of delusion.

Mu local regional state university is quite sizable and there has been nary a hint of protest because it's just normal students getting on with their education. The Ivy protesters are very out of touch.

Pro Hamas? Who is pro Hamas?

Are you trying to re-frame opposition to the genocide of the Palestinian people as pro Hamas?

You are re framing support for Hamas as opposition to genocide.

See, anyone can play semantic games, and they are pointless. They never change minds. Just admit you have a goal, and their are people opposed to your goal, and that is why wars are fought. Palestinians are not going to get what they want by outwitting Israel out of its country.

My goal is simply coexistence.

But as to your point, the world sat by when Zionists were allowed to take what they wanted in 1948. Was there a time limit on groups getting what they want, after which borders were fixed? Of course not, otherwise Israel wouldn’t have been able to spend the last 75 years illegally occupying the land of others, right? So why are you convinced that window of opportunity has closed for others?

But bigger picture, I do have some concern as to the confidence you have regarding the status quo being immutable. I hope you will reconsider that position.

Whatever, you are not going to get what you want by semantic games. It will take a war. So go for it. Oh wait, that has happened many times in the past 80 years and is happening now. Talk is cheap.

War is the only solution to conflict? Only bloodshed can resolve conflict?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UT is a taxpayer funded university whose primary purpose is for dedicated students to attend classes, study, and learn, unimpeded & without threat of personal physical harm. ON CAMPUS everything else is lower priority.
When a protest prevents this primary function that students/parents/taxpayers are PAYING for, it is no longer a peaceful lawful protest.

Just copied this from the UT protest call for people.

In the footsteps of our comrades at Columbia SJP, Rutgers-New Brunswick, Yale, and countless others across the nation, we will be establishing THE POPULAR UNIVERSITY FOR GAZA and demanding our administration divest from death.

We will be occupying the space throughout the entire day, so be sure to bring blankets, food and water, face masks, and lots of energy.
As a reminder please be sure to respect our space and listen to organizers in order to help keep us all safe 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

Talk about lack of self awareness. They are taking over a space that belongs to everyone and then telling people to respect "their" space.

And face masks, always face masks. It it truly a symbol of idiocy at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Biden camp not sweating political fallout from latest round of campus protests"
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/23/biden-camp-political-fallout-campus-protests-00154000

Remember those massive lines at UT, Michigan, and so many college campuses of young voters in 2020. I'm afraid the Dems will be in for a rude awakening with this blasé attitude.

The pictures of pro Hamas protests at state universities show very small crowds relative to the university sizes. I doubt most students are voting based on Gaza. This is the height of delusion.

Mu local regional state university is quite sizable and there has been nary a hint of protest because it's just normal students getting on with their education. The Ivy protesters are very out of touch.

Pro Hamas? Who is pro Hamas?

Are you trying to re-frame opposition to the genocide of the Palestinian people as pro Hamas?

You are re framing support for Hamas as opposition to genocide.

See, anyone can play semantic games, and they are pointless. They never change minds. Just admit you have a goal, and their are people opposed to your goal, and that is why wars are fought. Palestinians are not going to get what they want by outwitting Israel out of its country.

My goal is simply coexistence.

But as to your point, the world sat by when Zionists were allowed to take what they wanted in 1948. Was there a time limit on groups getting what they want, after which borders were fixed? Of course not, otherwise Israel wouldn’t have been able to spend the last 75 years illegally occupying the land of others, right? So why are you convinced that window of opportunity has closed for others?

But bigger picture, I do have some concern as to the confidence you have regarding the status quo being immutable. I hope you will reconsider that position.

Whatever, you are not going to get what you want by semantic games. It will take a war. So go for it. Oh wait, that has happened many times in the past 80 years and is happening now. Talk is cheap.

War is the only solution to conflict? Only bloodshed can resolve conflict?

There isn't conflict. You want something that no one wants to give you. That isn't conflict, you want what someone else has. Too bad, it won't be handed to you, so yes, you will only get it by force. Despite what protesters think, yelling in people's face for hours and days on end isn't going to cut it. This causes people to become obstinate and say now why would I ever give them anything do they think they are going to intimidate me into obedience?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UT is a taxpayer funded university whose primary purpose is for dedicated students to attend classes, study, and learn, unimpeded & without threat of personal physical harm. ON CAMPUS everything else is lower priority.
When a protest prevents this primary function that students/parents/taxpayers are PAYING for, it is no longer a peaceful lawful protest.

Would you say the same about protesters who sat in diners in the south to protest segregation? Those were private businesses and the protesters interrupted people's lunch, the primary purpose of those lunch counters. I guess they deserved having water cannons sprayed at them???

Seriously, this is a path that we should not be going down.

For the millionth time, black people being used as a prop, how original.

Substitute it as a protest for anything else then. LGBTQ rights. Women’s rights. A protest against the election of Donald trump. A protest against the loss of Donald Trump. Are those going to be your standards of when law enforcement should intervene? Well they were disrupting people! Let’s arrest them all!

If trump wins or loses, you can bet there will be massive protests. I wonder if you will have the same standards at that time for peaceful protests.

Protests that break the law are not peaceful. Yeah, even if hate the country you are protesting in.

They were arrested for obstructing a sidewalk. That’s the law they were breaking.

I'm literally laughing over here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UT is a taxpayer funded university whose primary purpose is for dedicated students to attend classes, study, and learn, unimpeded & without threat of personal physical harm. ON CAMPUS everything else is lower priority.
When a protest prevents this primary function that students/parents/taxpayers are PAYING for, it is no longer a peaceful lawful protest.

Would you say the same about protesters who sat in diners in the south to protest segregation? Those were private businesses and the protesters interrupted people's lunch, the primary purpose of those lunch counters. I guess they deserved having water cannons sprayed at them???

Seriously, this is a path that we should not be going down.

For the millionth time, black people being used as a prop, how original.

Substitute it as a protest for anything else then. LGBTQ rights. Women’s rights. A protest against the election of Donald trump. A protest against the loss of Donald Trump. Are those going to be your standards of when law enforcement should intervene? Well they were disrupting people! Let’s arrest them all!

If trump wins or loses, you can bet there will be massive protests. I wonder if you will have the same standards at that time for peaceful protests.

Protests that break the law are not peaceful. Yeah, even if hate the country you are protesting in.

They were arrested for obstructing a sidewalk. That’s the law they were breaking.

I'm literally laughing over here.

The students here are learning a lesson that they just because they gather in large groups doesn't mean they can do anything they want--there is such a thing as "no". These cops, in no way violent, are behaving as physical representation of the lawful "no".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Biden camp not sweating political fallout from latest round of campus protests"
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/23/biden-camp-political-fallout-campus-protests-00154000

Remember those massive lines at UT, Michigan, and so many college campuses of young voters in 2020. I'm afraid the Dems will be in for a rude awakening with this blasé attitude.

The pictures of pro Hamas protests at state universities show very small crowds relative to the university sizes. I doubt most students are voting based on Gaza. This is the height of delusion.

Mu local regional state university is quite sizable and there has been nary a hint of protest because it's just normal students getting on with their education. The Ivy protesters are very out of touch.

Pro Hamas? Who is pro Hamas?

Are you trying to re-frame opposition to the genocide of the Palestinian people as pro Hamas?

You are re framing support for Hamas as opposition to genocide.

See, anyone can play semantic games, and they are pointless. They never change minds. Just admit you have a goal, and their are people opposed to your goal, and that is why wars are fought. Palestinians are not going to get what they want by outwitting Israel out of its country.

My goal is simply coexistence.

But as to your point, the world sat by when Zionists were allowed to take what they wanted in 1948. Was there a time limit on groups getting what they want, after which borders were fixed? Of course not, otherwise Israel wouldn’t have been able to spend the last 75 years illegally occupying the land of others, right? So why are you convinced that window of opportunity has closed for others?

But bigger picture, I do have some concern as to the confidence you have regarding the status quo being immutable. I hope you will reconsider that position.

Whatever, you are not going to get what you want by semantic games. It will take a war. So go for it. Oh wait, that has happened many times in the past 80 years and is happening now. Talk is cheap.

War is the only solution to conflict? Only bloodshed can resolve conflict?

There isn't conflict. You want something that no one wants to give you. That isn't conflict, you want what someone else has. Too bad, it won't be handed to you, so yes, you will only get it by force. Despite what protesters think, yelling in people's face for hours and days on end isn't going to cut it. This causes people to become obstinate and say now why would I ever give them anything do they think they are going to intimidate me into obedience?

Do you know what the word conflict means? It seems as if you don’t. Apologies if English isn’t your native language, but under any and every definition I’ve ever encountered, this most certainly constitutes a conflict.

Parties to a conflict who believe that only war and bloodshed are appropriate tools of conflict resolution seldom stand the test of time. In fact, they never do.

Is that your aim?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UT is a taxpayer funded university whose primary purpose is for dedicated students to attend classes, study, and learn, unimpeded & without threat of personal physical harm. ON CAMPUS everything else is lower priority.
When a protest prevents this primary function that students/parents/taxpayers are PAYING for, it is no longer a peaceful lawful protest.

Would you say the same about protesters who sat in diners in the south to protest segregation? Those were private businesses and the protesters interrupted people's lunch, the primary purpose of those lunch counters. I guess they deserved having water cannons sprayed at them???

Seriously, this is a path that we should not be going down.

For the millionth time, black people being used as a prop, how original.

Substitute it as a protest for anything else then. LGBTQ rights. Women’s rights. A protest against the election of Donald trump. A protest against the loss of Donald Trump. Are those going to be your standards of when law enforcement should intervene? Well they were disrupting people! Let’s arrest them all!

If trump wins or loses, you can bet there will be massive protests. I wonder if you will have the same standards at that time for peaceful protests.

Protests that break the law are not peaceful. Yeah, even if hate the country you are protesting in.

They were arrested for obstructing a sidewalk. That’s the law they were breaking.

I'm literally laughing over here.

When authorities in Iran are praising your actions, you know you are on the wrong side of history.

[Anonymous]

Just saw video of a USC protester assaulting a police officer.

Getting out of control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Biden camp not sweating political fallout from latest round of campus protests"
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/23/biden-camp-political-fallout-campus-protests-00154000

Remember those massive lines at UT, Michigan, and so many college campuses of young voters in 2020. I'm afraid the Dems will be in for a rude awakening with this blasé attitude.

The pictures of pro Hamas protests at state universities show very small crowds relative to the university sizes. I doubt most students are voting based on Gaza. This is the height of delusion.

Mu local regional state university is quite sizable and there has been nary a hint of protest because it's just normal students getting on with their education. The Ivy protesters are very out of touch.

Pro Hamas? Who is pro Hamas?

Are you trying to re-frame opposition to the genocide of the Palestinian people as pro Hamas?

You are re framing support for Hamas as opposition to genocide.

See, anyone can play semantic games, and they are pointless. They never change minds. Just admit you have a goal, and their are people opposed to your goal, and that is why wars are fought. Palestinians are not going to get what they want by outwitting Israel out of its country.

My goal is simply coexistence.

But as to your point, the world sat by when Zionists were allowed to take what they wanted in 1948. Was there a time limit on groups getting what they want, after which borders were fixed? Of course not, otherwise Israel wouldn’t have been able to spend the last 75 years illegally occupying the land of others, right? So why are you convinced that window of opportunity has closed for others?

But bigger picture, I do have some concern as to the confidence you have regarding the status quo being immutable. I hope you will reconsider that position.

Whatever, you are not going to get what you want by semantic games. It will take a war. So go for it. Oh wait, that has happened many times in the past 80 years and is happening now. Talk is cheap.

War is the only solution to conflict? Only bloodshed can resolve conflict?

There isn't conflict. You want something that no one wants to give you. That isn't conflict, you want what someone else has. Too bad, it won't be handed to you, so yes, you will only get it by force. Despite what protesters think, yelling in people's face for hours and days on end isn't going to cut it. This causes people to become obstinate and say now why would I ever give them anything do they think they are going to intimidate me into obedience?

Do you know what the word conflict means? It seems as if you don’t. Apologies if English isn’t your native language, but under any and every definition I’ve ever encountered, this most certainly constitutes a conflict.

Parties to a conflict who believe that only war and bloodshed are appropriate tools of conflict resolution seldom stand the test of time. In fact, they never do.

Is that your aim?

All these words and my point still stands. If Palestinians and Iranians stopped their campaign today everyone would happily go on with their lives. They are the ones with the beef. Everyone else fight back when these two in tandem attack.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just saw video of a USC protester assaulting a police officer.

Getting out of control.

Not shocked. They have been indoctrinated to think they can do no wrong.

[Anonymous]

Nope, not Iran. This is the land of the freeeeeee

[Anonymous]

I think many Americans are sick of the pro-Israel lobby and are tired of the US propping up Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nope, not Iran. This is the land of the freeeeeee

They have to wear riot gear.
Had the NYPD not been wearing riot gear, one of the officers would have a serious head injury because a "protester" threw a chair at him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think many Americans are sick of the pro-Israel lobby and are tired of the US propping up Israel.

No. They are sick of the pro-Hamas crowd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Biden camp not sweating political fallout from latest round of campus protests"
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/23/biden-camp-political-fallout-campus-protests-00154000

Remember those massive lines at UT, Michigan, and so many college campuses of young voters in 2020. I'm afraid the Dems will be in for a rude awakening with this blasé attitude.

The pictures of pro Hamas protests at state universities show very small crowds relative to the university sizes. I doubt most students are voting based on Gaza. This is the height of delusion.

Mu local regional state university is quite sizable and there has been nary a hint of protest because it's just normal students getting on with their education. The Ivy protesters are very out of touch.

Pro Hamas? Who is pro Hamas?

Are you trying to re-frame opposition to the genocide of the Palestinian people as pro Hamas?

You are re framing support for Hamas as opposition to genocide.

See, anyone can play semantic games, and they are pointless. They never change minds. Just admit you have a goal, and their are people opposed to your goal, and that is why wars are fought. Palestinians are not going to get what they want by outwitting Israel out of its country.

My goal is simply coexistence.

But as to your point, the world sat by when Zionists were allowed to take what they wanted in 1948. Was there a time limit on groups getting what they want, after which borders were fixed? Of course not, otherwise Israel wouldn’t have been able to spend the last 75 years illegally occupying the land of others, right? So why are you convinced that window of opportunity has closed for others?

But bigger picture, I do have some concern as to the confidence you have regarding the status quo being immutable. I hope you will reconsider that position.

Whatever, you are not going to get what you want by semantic games. It will take a war. So go for it. Oh wait, that has happened many times in the past 80 years and is happening now. Talk is cheap.

War is the only solution to conflict? Only bloodshed can resolve conflict?

There isn't conflict. You want something that no one wants to give you. That isn't conflict, you want what someone else has. Too bad, it won't be handed to you, so yes, you will only get it by force. Despite what protesters think, yelling in people's face for hours and days on end isn't going to cut it. This causes people to become obstinate and say now why would I ever give them anything do they think they are going to intimidate me into obedience?

Do you know what the word conflict means? It seems as if you don’t. Apologies if English isn’t your native language, but under any and every definition I’ve ever encountered, this most certainly constitutes a conflict.

Parties to a conflict who believe that only war and bloodshed are appropriate tools of conflict resolution seldom stand the test of time. In fact, they never do.

Is that your aim?

All these words and my point still stands. If Palestinians and Iranians stopped their campaign today everyone would happily go on with their lives. They are the ones with the beef. Everyone else fight back when these two in tandem attack.

I know. You want the status quo to persist. You DIDN’T want the status quo to persist in 1947. We call that hypocrisy.

You’ve awkwardly made your point clear. Land can change hands when Israel is on the receiving end, but you oppose others partaking of that “privilege”. Otherwise, might is right in your world and conflict can only be resolved through war and bloodshed. Got it. Everyone gets it.

I’ve also been clear - I don’t think you are prepared for the eventualities that arise from views like yours.