Navy Elementary New Principal

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Anonymous wrote:I think the real issue is that some of the staff don’t like him. There is no safety issue whatsoever - what a crock of sh*t. Then those staff should leave.

To the parents and teachers involved with this effort to smear the new principal’s reputation, have you even once stepped out of your neighborhood echo chamber to see how this effort to take him down for literally doing nothing wrong comes off as racist to most of the Navy community?

You don’t like him, but you can’t articulate one valid reason why. You create a fake security issue to bolster your point and send mass emails to bring him down. This is literally so blatantly racist. Check yourselves.

That is what racists do. They isolate the individual they are targeting, ostracize them and gather up large groups to exclude and demean the individual to the point that they are forced out. Typical bullying racist behavior on the playground or the work world. Fortunately, we live in a day and age where the racists are easily spotted, condemned and called out for their behavior. People are much more savvy today, but a few others think they can still act like this is the 1950s.

I tend to agree with some of this but I can't go along with the racism accusations. These accusations are baseless and take away from your credibility.

Everyone knows who the racists are in the school, community and even our neighborhoods. It’s talked about openly. We don’t need your “credibility” when actions speak for themselves.

Your statement contains no facts in support of your argument.

Neither does the email about Principal Simms-Smith.

Matlock here (whoever called me that must be real old). The PP's statement (that the allegations concerning the principal are due to racism) is not based on any known facts. Just that "we all know who the racists are in the community." No we really don't and neither do you. There is no proof of racism and the person that sent the email is a POC herself. Similarly devoid of facts, is the email that circulated around. Neither are ripe with any factual information whatsoever. I will listen to neither.

I think you were called Matlock to mock you for being such dum-dum. Just sayin.

People do know who the bigots in their community are ... its obvious to anyone who pays attention. Just look at how parents and teachers stood up and had their voices heard for a man that could have killed someone with his car smashing into someone's house while throwing back a ton of alcohol. But the new principal gets greeted with torches and pitchforks at another schools meeting??!?! The last 2 sentences are facts. If you "will listen to neither" then why are you on this thread posting? Did the "racists in the neighborhood" comment hit a little too close to home for you Matlock?

Bingo. The only reason they wanted him back was to make their lives easier. They were used to coasting without supervision. As a result, their teaching suffered.

And our children continue to suffer their laziness. Every night we have to do homework and teach the material ourselves to our DC because the material IS NOT TAUGHT IN CLASS. The children are expected to stay focused but the teacher gives them nothing to focus on and then they yell at them. I guess having 20 weeks off a year is not enough to ease their bad attitudes.

What grade?

I'm not looking to give specifics on which teacher(s). Not looking to directly hurt anyone (unlike what they are trying to do to the principal). I just wish they would actually teach our children with the same level of effort they did before the pandemic.

Fair enough. Navy in general for us has been a very homework heavy school because they don’t seem to get much done in class. What isn’t finished in class usually becomes homework. It becomes tedious when it’s all digital and takes twice as long. The kids are kind of flailing around on their own in class. Last year my kid watched a lot of videos and YouTube clips for science and social studies and learned nothing.

Everything you just wrote is 100% what our child is going through. And I have talked to others that are going through similar stories in different grades with different teachers. I think the level of slacking is at an all time high while the level of work demanded of these children without guidance is also at an all time high. Of course, we don't want to let our child fail so we take it upon ourselves to do the work night after night with them, because the slacker don't care to do their job during the day.

Is this happening in AAP classes, too?

The AAP teachers treat the students very badly. They do not teach and take pleasure in abusive behavior. These teachers really do not like the students and are always yelling at them.

I know exactly who you are talking about and we dealt with her too. I had PTSD about how bad that year was almost for a full year afterwards.

I hope she is planning on leaving. She is VERY cruel and does not deserve to teach children. Why do people like this go into teaching?

I hope she is one of the 7 leaving. She’s also a terrible teacher. Many parents complained about her to Jon and he didn’t do sh*t.

+1 Not entirely true. He moved her to a lower grade where she could do more damage to younger children.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the real issue is that some of the staff don’t like him. There is no safety issue whatsoever - what a crock of sh*t. Then those staff should leave.

To the parents and teachers involved with this effort to smear the new principal’s reputation, have you even once stepped out of your neighborhood echo chamber to see how this effort to take him down for literally doing nothing wrong comes off as racist to most of the Navy community?

You don’t like him, but you can’t articulate one valid reason why. You create a fake security issue to bolster your point and send mass emails to bring him down. This is literally so blatantly racist. Check yourselves.

That is what racists do. They isolate the individual they are targeting, ostracize them and gather up large groups to exclude and demean the individual to the point that they are forced out. Typical bullying racist behavior on the playground or the work world. Fortunately, we live in a day and age where the racists are easily spotted, condemned and called out for their behavior. People are much more savvy today, but a few others think they can still act like this is the 1950s.

I tend to agree with some of this but I can't go along with the racism accusations. These accusations are baseless and take away from your credibility.

Everyone knows who the racists are in the school, community and even our neighborhoods. It’s talked about openly. We don’t need your “credibility” when actions speak for themselves.

Your statement contains no facts in support of your argument.

Neither does the email about Principal Simms-Smith.

Matlock here (whoever called me that must be real old). The PP's statement (that the allegations concerning the principal are due to racism) is not based on any known facts. Just that "we all know who the racists are in the community." No we really don't and neither do you. There is no proof of racism and the person that sent the email is a POC herself. Similarly devoid of facts, is the email that circulated around. Neither are ripe with any factual information whatsoever. I will listen to neither.

I think you were called Matlock to mock you for being such dum-dum. Just sayin.

People do know who the bigots in their community are ... its obvious to anyone who pays attention. Just look at how parents and teachers stood up and had their voices heard for a man that could have killed someone with his car smashing into someone's house while throwing back a ton of alcohol. But the new principal gets greeted with torches and pitchforks at another schools meeting??!?! The last 2 sentences are facts. If you "will listen to neither" then why are you on this thread posting? Did the "racists in the neighborhood" comment hit a little too close to home for you Matlock?

Bingo. The only reason they wanted him back was to make their lives easier. They were used to coasting without supervision. As a result, their teaching suffered.

And our children continue to suffer their laziness. Every night we have to do homework and teach the material ourselves to our DC because the material IS NOT TAUGHT IN CLASS. The children are expected to stay focused but the teacher gives them nothing to focus on and then they yell at them. I guess having 20 weeks off a year is not enough to ease their bad attitudes.

What grade?

I'm not looking to give specifics on which teacher(s). Not looking to directly hurt anyone (unlike what they are trying to do to the principal). I just wish they would actually teach our children with the same level of effort they did before the pandemic.

Fair enough. Navy in general for us has been a very homework heavy school because they don’t seem to get much done in class. What isn’t finished in class usually becomes homework. It becomes tedious when it’s all digital and takes twice as long. The kids are kind of flailing around on their own in class. Last year my kid watched a lot of videos and YouTube clips for science and social studies and learned nothing.

Everything you just wrote is 100% what our child is going through. And I have talked to others that are going through similar stories in different grades with different teachers. I think the level of slacking is at an all time high while the level of work demanded of these children without guidance is also at an all time high. Of course, we don't want to let our child fail so we take it upon ourselves to do the work night after night with them, because the slacker don't care to do their job during the day.

Is this happening in AAP classes, too?

The AAP teachers treat the students very badly. They do not teach and take pleasure in abusive behavior. These teachers really do not like the students and are always yelling at them.

I know exactly who you are talking about and we dealt with her too. I had PTSD about how bad that year was almost for a full year afterwards.

I hope she is planning on leaving. She is VERY cruel and does not deserve to teach children. Why do people like this go into teaching?

I hope she is one of the 7 leaving. She’s also a terrible teacher. Many parents complained about her to Jon and he didn’t do sh*t.

+1 Not entirely true. He moved her to a lower grade where she could do more damage to younger children.

+1 it’s one of the reasons why a few parents pulled their kids from AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone planning on attending this meeting? Can we listen in online?

The email asks parents to register and go to a community meeting at another school. This doesn’t seem right at all.

Anyone from the FCPS community is invited to come and that school is the location where the meeting is behind held. It is a community wide event and not specifically for that one school.

Except the email specifically is encouraging Navy families to come and air grievances about the new Navy principal. Shame on whoever is involved.

All this because the new principal isn’t as easily swayed by PTA moms?

I'm not going to paste the email, but it made reference to a couple of recent incidents where there was apparently police involvement but the school community was not notified. I can't verify whether the information is true or not -- I had not heard anything about either incident. It is concerning if true. The other part of the email referred to staff feeling unsupported. That part came off more whiny to me and not something that a parent should be bringing up on behalf of teachers, in my opinion. It makes the teachers look bad. Clearly someone is complaining to parents. Even if you hate your principal that is unprofessional. At Navy the lines between parents and teachers are a little too blurry sometimes. Maybe parents shouldn't be allowed to frequently sub at their kids' own school. You want to make money as a sub, do it somewhere else. Don't do it so you can spy on your kid's school day and get the best teacher placements for your kid.

This gossip shouldn’t be spread in a malicious email like this. This quite frankly is looking more and more like a witch hunt. It honestly all sounds like sour grapes.

For police involvement I was there when the cop interviewed a kid next to the sign in sign out laptop. I think the interview should have taken place somewhere more private.

“Interview”? BS. More like a question.

I can repeat the particulars. The cop was asking questions for the entire 5 min while I waited for my kid.

Had to do with what was said, religion, what classes they had together (6th grade AAP) etc.

I still fail to see how that shows we need a new principal. Our current one is fantastic.

Communications could be better. I don't think any info went out about the drone incident either.

Drone incident??

Late in 2023, my child told me that their class had been evacuated. I asked more about the incident and was told that this is actually the third time since school started (2 months at that point). Each time was due to the violent outbursts of one student (throwing chairs, knocking over desks, screaming, knocking things over...). I asked about the student involved and was told that this student also tried to stab another one with a pencil.

Concerned, I emailed Amos and he responded that the while the classroom had been evacuated multiple times, there was no attempting stabbing. The wording of the email ("if the teacher knows about it, i'm sure she dealt with it appropriately") gave me the impression that he had not spoken with the teacher prior to responding. Unsatisfied, I spoke with the teacher a few days later at a parent teacher conference. When I repeatedly asked her about the attempt to stab another student, her eventual response was "we stopped it before anything happened". I think, and hopefully i'm not alone here, attempting to stab another student is a serious allegation, and one that should not be dismissed without some rudimentary investigation.

I would have liked to have heard about the classroom being evacuated, so that I would be prepared to talk to my child about it, but did not receive any communications. I do feel like Amos either lied to me about the potential stabbing, or just failed to do any due diligence, either way its bad.

I went to event tonight with the principal. One of the parents asked about the allegations in the email, in particular about the bomb threat and whether the police were called. Amos admitted that there was a bomb threat, but it was a joke between friends. When asked about the police being called he responded that they were... Another parent asked what she's supposed to tell her 2nd grader, who thinks the police only show up for gangs and drug dealers... His response was to tell the child the police like to stop by school and visit. When asked why there was no communication sent home, he was elusive and danced around the question until the conversation moved on.

I have heard about this email going around... Amos' failure to be transparent, and denying the incidents mentioned above occurred (lying) mirrors my own experience with him. When I reach out to my child's principal to discuss an incident that I think is serious, I do not want to be lied to. After my own experience in 2023 and hearing that Amos initially lied about the bomb threat and police presence, only to admit tonight the truth, I don't trust him to be truthful in our communications.

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NP. See the above poster made a far more convincing argument in favor of their position, by adding personal antecedents and experiences. I’m now far more likely to support Amos’ ouster than the side that cried “muh racism” “black man”, without anyone having directed a single racial charge beforehand.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone planning on attending this meeting? Can we listen in online?

The email asks parents to register and go to a community meeting at another school. This doesn’t seem right at all.

Anyone from the FCPS community is invited to come and that school is the location where the meeting is behind held. It is a community wide event and not specifically for that one school.

Except the email specifically is encouraging Navy families to come and air grievances about the new Navy principal. Shame on whoever is involved.

All this because the new principal isn’t as easily swayed by PTA moms?

I'm not going to paste the email, but it made reference to a couple of recent incidents where there was apparently police involvement but the school community was not notified. I can't verify whether the information is true or not -- I had not heard anything about either incident. It is concerning if true. The other part of the email referred to staff feeling unsupported. That part came off more whiny to me and not something that a parent should be bringing up on behalf of teachers, in my opinion. It makes the teachers look bad. Clearly someone is complaining to parents. Even if you hate your principal that is unprofessional. At Navy the lines between parents and teachers are a little too blurry sometimes. Maybe parents shouldn't be allowed to frequently sub at their kids' own school. You want to make money as a sub, do it somewhere else. Don't do it so you can spy on your kid's school day and get the best teacher placements for your kid.

This gossip shouldn’t be spread in a malicious email like this. This quite frankly is looking more and more like a witch hunt. It honestly all sounds like sour grapes.

For police involvement I was there when the cop interviewed a kid next to the sign in sign out laptop. I think the interview should have taken place somewhere more private.

“Interview”? BS. More like a question.

I can repeat the particulars. The cop was asking questions for the entire 5 min while I waited for my kid.

Had to do with what was said, religion, what classes they had together (6th grade AAP) etc.

I still fail to see how that shows we need a new principal. Our current one is fantastic.

Communications could be better. I don't think any info went out about the drone incident either.

Drone incident??

Late in 2023, my child told me that their class had been evacuated. I asked more about the incident and was told that this is actually the third time since school started (2 months at that point). Each time was due to the violent outbursts of one student (throwing chairs, knocking over desks, screaming, knocking things over...). I asked about the student involved and was told that this student also tried to stab another one with a pencil.

Concerned, I emailed Amos and he responded that the while the classroom had been evacuated multiple times, there was no attempting stabbing. The wording of the email ("if the teacher knows about it, i'm sure she dealt with it appropriately") gave me the impression that he had not spoken with the teacher prior to responding. Unsatisfied, I spoke with the teacher a few days later at a parent teacher conference. When I repeatedly asked her about the attempt to stab another student, her eventual response was "we stopped it before anything happened". I think, and hopefully i'm not alone here, attempting to stab another student is a serious allegation, and one that should not be dismissed without some rudimentary investigation.

I would have liked to have heard about the classroom being evacuated, so that I would be prepared to talk to my child about it, but did not receive any communications. I do feel like Amos either lied to me about the potential stabbing, or just failed to do any due diligence, either way its bad.

I went to event tonight with the principal. One of the parents asked about the allegations in the email, in particular about the bomb threat and whether the police were called. Amos admitted that there was a bomb threat, but it was a joke between friends. When asked about the police being called he responded that they were... Another parent asked what she's supposed to tell her 2nd grader, who thinks the police only show up for gangs and drug dealers... His response was to tell the child the police like to stop by school and visit. When asked why there was no communication sent home, he was elusive and danced around the question until the conversation moved on.

I have heard about this email going around... Amos' failure to be transparent, and denying the incidents mentioned above occurred (lying) mirrors my own experience with him. When I reach out to my child's principal to discuss an incident that I think is serious, I do not want to be lied to. After my own experience in 2023 and hearing that Amos initially lied about the bomb threat and police presence, only to admit tonight the truth, I don't trust him to be truthful in our communications.

This is so blown out of proportion. This literally happens every year at every school in Fairfax. Wait til your kid gets to middle or high school. You get no communication.

Again, you can feel it’s a failure of communication, but you are outright labeling him a liar. Would you call the previous administration that if I laid out similar, multiple incidents that occurred on their watch? My DC class also had multiple violent outbursts in prior years were never reported. Do you know how many times schools have such incidents. There are outright fights in MS and HS and nobody is trying to get those principals fired for not reporting every incident.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. See the above poster made a far more convincing argument in favor of their position, by adding personal antecedents and experiences. I’m now far more likely to support Amos’ ouster than the side that cried “muh racism” “black man”, without anyone having directed a single racial charge beforehand.

Again different standards.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone planning on attending this meeting? Can we listen in online?

The email asks parents to register and go to a community meeting at another school. This doesn’t seem right at all.

Anyone from the FCPS community is invited to come and that school is the location where the meeting is behind held. It is a community wide event and not specifically for that one school.

Except the email specifically is encouraging Navy families to come and air grievances about the new Navy principal. Shame on whoever is involved.

All this because the new principal isn’t as easily swayed by PTA moms?

I'm not going to paste the email, but it made reference to a couple of recent incidents where there was apparently police involvement but the school community was not notified. I can't verify whether the information is true or not -- I had not heard anything about either incident. It is concerning if true. The other part of the email referred to staff feeling unsupported. That part came off more whiny to me and not something that a parent should be bringing up on behalf of teachers, in my opinion. It makes the teachers look bad. Clearly someone is complaining to parents. Even if you hate your principal that is unprofessional. At Navy the lines between parents and teachers are a little too blurry sometimes. Maybe parents shouldn't be allowed to frequently sub at their kids' own school. You want to make money as a sub, do it somewhere else. Don't do it so you can spy on your kid's school day and get the best teacher placements for your kid.

This gossip shouldn’t be spread in a malicious email like this. This quite frankly is looking more and more like a witch hunt. It honestly all sounds like sour grapes.

For police involvement I was there when the cop interviewed a kid next to the sign in sign out laptop. I think the interview should have taken place somewhere more private.

“Interview”? BS. More like a question.

I can repeat the particulars. The cop was asking questions for the entire 5 min while I waited for my kid.

Had to do with what was said, religion, what classes they had together (6th grade AAP) etc.

I still fail to see how that shows we need a new principal. Our current one is fantastic.

Communications could be better. I don't think any info went out about the drone incident either.

Drone incident??

Late in 2023, my child told me that their class had been evacuated. I asked more about the incident and was told that this is actually the third time since school started (2 months at that point). Each time was due to the violent outbursts of one student (throwing chairs, knocking over desks, screaming, knocking things over...). I asked about the student involved and was told that this student also tried to stab another one with a pencil.

Concerned, I emailed Amos and he responded that the while the classroom had been evacuated multiple times, there was no attempting stabbing. The wording of the email ("if the teacher knows about it, i'm sure she dealt with it appropriately") gave me the impression that he had not spoken with the teacher prior to responding. Unsatisfied, I spoke with the teacher a few days later at a parent teacher conference. When I repeatedly asked her about the attempt to stab another student, her eventual response was "we stopped it before anything happened". I think, and hopefully i'm not alone here, attempting to stab another student is a serious allegation, and one that should not be dismissed without some rudimentary investigation.

I would have liked to have heard about the classroom being evacuated, so that I would be prepared to talk to my child about it, but did not receive any communications. I do feel like Amos either lied to me about the potential stabbing, or just failed to do any due diligence, either way its bad.

I went to event tonight with the principal. One of the parents asked about the allegations in the email, in particular about the bomb threat and whether the police were called. Amos admitted that there was a bomb threat, but it was a joke between friends. When asked about the police being called he responded that they were... Another parent asked what she's supposed to tell her 2nd grader, who thinks the police only show up for gangs and drug dealers... His response was to tell the child the police like to stop by school and visit. When asked why there was no communication sent home, he was elusive and danced around the question until the conversation moved on.

I have heard about this email going around... Amos' failure to be transparent, and denying the incidents mentioned above occurred (lying) mirrors my own experience with him. When I reach out to my child's principal to discuss an incident that I think is serious, I do not want to be lied to. After my own experience in 2023 and hearing that Amos initially lied about the bomb threat and police presence, only to admit tonight the truth, I don't trust him to be truthful in our communications.

This is so blown out of proportion. This literally happens every year at every school in Fairfax. Wait til your kid gets to middle or high school. You get no communication.

Again, you can feel it’s a failure of communication, but you are outright labeling him a liar. Would you call the previous administration that if I laid out similar, multiple incidents that occurred on their watch? My DC class also had multiple violent outbursts in prior years were never reported. Do you know how many times schools have such incidents. There are outright fights in MS and HS and nobody is trying to get those principals fired for not reporting every incident.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone planning on attending this meeting? Can we listen in online?

The email asks parents to register and go to a community meeting at another school. This doesn’t seem right at all.

Anyone from the FCPS community is invited to come and that school is the location where the meeting is behind held. It is a community wide event and not specifically for that one school.

Except the email specifically is encouraging Navy families to come and air grievances about the new Navy principal. Shame on whoever is involved.

All this because the new principal isn’t as easily swayed by PTA moms?

I'm not going to paste the email, but it made reference to a couple of recent incidents where there was apparently police involvement but the school community was not notified. I can't verify whether the information is true or not -- I had not heard anything about either incident. It is concerning if true. The other part of the email referred to staff feeling unsupported. That part came off more whiny to me and not something that a parent should be bringing up on behalf of teachers, in my opinion. It makes the teachers look bad. Clearly someone is complaining to parents. Even if you hate your principal that is unprofessional. At Navy the lines between parents and teachers are a little too blurry sometimes. Maybe parents shouldn't be allowed to frequently sub at their kids' own school. You want to make money as a sub, do it somewhere else. Don't do it so you can spy on your kid's school day and get the best teacher placements for your kid.

This gossip shouldn’t be spread in a malicious email like this. This quite frankly is looking more and more like a witch hunt. It honestly all sounds like sour grapes.

For police involvement I was there when the cop interviewed a kid next to the sign in sign out laptop. I think the interview should have taken place somewhere more private.

“Interview”? BS. More like a question.

I can repeat the particulars. The cop was asking questions for the entire 5 min while I waited for my kid.

Had to do with what was said, religion, what classes they had together (6th grade AAP) etc.

I still fail to see how that shows we need a new principal. Our current one is fantastic.

Communications could be better. I don't think any info went out about the drone incident either.

Drone incident??

Late in 2023, my child told me that their class had been evacuated. I asked more about the incident and was told that this is actually the third time since school started (2 months at that point). Each time was due to the violent outbursts of one student (throwing chairs, knocking over desks, screaming, knocking things over...). I asked about the student involved and was told that this student also tried to stab another one with a pencil.

Concerned, I emailed Amos and he responded that the while the classroom had been evacuated multiple times, there was no attempting stabbing. The wording of the email ("if the teacher knows about it, i'm sure she dealt with it appropriately") gave me the impression that he had not spoken with the teacher prior to responding. Unsatisfied, I spoke with the teacher a few days later at a parent teacher conference. When I repeatedly asked her about the attempt to stab another student, her eventual response was "we stopped it before anything happened". I think, and hopefully i'm not alone here, attempting to stab another student is a serious allegation, and one that should not be dismissed without some rudimentary investigation.

I would have liked to have heard about the classroom being evacuated, so that I would be prepared to talk to my child about it, but did not receive any communications. I do feel like Amos either lied to me about the potential stabbing, or just failed to do any due diligence, either way its bad.

I went to event tonight with the principal. One of the parents asked about the allegations in the email, in particular about the bomb threat and whether the police were called. Amos admitted that there was a bomb threat, but it was a joke between friends. When asked about the police being called he responded that they were... Another parent asked what she's supposed to tell her 2nd grader, who thinks the police only show up for gangs and drug dealers... His response was to tell the child the police like to stop by school and visit. When asked why there was no communication sent home, he was elusive and danced around the question until the conversation moved on.

I have heard about this email going around... Amos' failure to be transparent, and denying the incidents mentioned above occurred (lying) mirrors my own experience with him. When I reach out to my child's principal to discuss an incident that I think is serious, I do not want to be lied to. After my own experience in 2023 and hearing that Amos initially lied about the bomb threat and police presence, only to admit tonight the truth, I don't trust him to be truthful in our communications.

I’m sorry but this is completely overblown. When Jon was in charge, we also had a class that was evacuated. We were never given information or emailed each time it happened. Should we have tried to overthrow Jon then about that?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone planning on attending this meeting? Can we listen in online?

The email asks parents to register and go to a community meeting at another school. This doesn’t seem right at all.

Anyone from the FCPS community is invited to come and that school is the location where the meeting is behind held. It is a community wide event and not specifically for that one school.

Except the email specifically is encouraging Navy families to come and air grievances about the new Navy principal. Shame on whoever is involved.

All this because the new principal isn’t as easily swayed by PTA moms?

I'm not going to paste the email, but it made reference to a couple of recent incidents where there was apparently police involvement but the school community was not notified. I can't verify whether the information is true or not -- I had not heard anything about either incident. It is concerning if true. The other part of the email referred to staff feeling unsupported. That part came off more whiny to me and not something that a parent should be bringing up on behalf of teachers, in my opinion. It makes the teachers look bad. Clearly someone is complaining to parents. Even if you hate your principal that is unprofessional. At Navy the lines between parents and teachers are a little too blurry sometimes. Maybe parents shouldn't be allowed to frequently sub at their kids' own school. You want to make money as a sub, do it somewhere else. Don't do it so you can spy on your kid's school day and get the best teacher placements for your kid.

This gossip shouldn’t be spread in a malicious email like this. This quite frankly is looking more and more like a witch hunt. It honestly all sounds like sour grapes.

For police involvement I was there when the cop interviewed a kid next to the sign in sign out laptop. I think the interview should have taken place somewhere more private.

“Interview”? BS. More like a question.

I can repeat the particulars. The cop was asking questions for the entire 5 min while I waited for my kid.

Had to do with what was said, religion, what classes they had together (6th grade AAP) etc.

I still fail to see how that shows we need a new principal. Our current one is fantastic.

Communications could be better. I don't think any info went out about the drone incident either.

Drone incident??

Late in 2023, my child told me that their class had been evacuated. I asked more about the incident and was told that this is actually the third time since school started (2 months at that point). Each time was due to the violent outbursts of one student (throwing chairs, knocking over desks, screaming, knocking things over...). I asked about the student involved and was told that this student also tried to stab another one with a pencil.

Concerned, I emailed Amos and he responded that the while the classroom had been evacuated multiple times, there was no attempting stabbing. The wording of the email ("if the teacher knows about it, i'm sure she dealt with it appropriately") gave me the impression that he had not spoken with the teacher prior to responding. Unsatisfied, I spoke with the teacher a few days later at a parent teacher conference. When I repeatedly asked her about the attempt to stab another student, her eventual response was "we stopped it before anything happened". I think, and hopefully i'm not alone here, attempting to stab another student is a serious allegation, and one that should not be dismissed without some rudimentary investigation.

I would have liked to have heard about the classroom being evacuated, so that I would be prepared to talk to my child about it, but did not receive any communications. I do feel like Amos either lied to me about the potential stabbing, or just failed to do any due diligence, either way its bad.

I went to event tonight with the principal. One of the parents asked about the allegations in the email, in particular about the bomb threat and whether the police were called. Amos admitted that there was a bomb threat, but it was a joke between friends. When asked about the police being called he responded that they were... Another parent asked what she's supposed to tell her 2nd grader, who thinks the police only show up for gangs and drug dealers... His response was to tell the child the police like to stop by school and visit. When asked why there was no communication sent home, he was elusive and danced around the question until the conversation moved on.

I have heard about this email going around... Amos' failure to be transparent, and denying the incidents mentioned above occurred (lying) mirrors my own experience with him. When I reach out to my child's principal to discuss an incident that I think is serious, I do not want to be lied to. After my own experience in 2023 and hearing that Amos initially lied about the bomb threat and police presence, only to admit tonight the truth, I don't trust him to be truthful in our communications.

This is an interesting take, because I heard from someone who was at the meeting who did not feel that way at all. She said Amos said that the incidents did not meet the criteria for alerting the community.

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This is an interesting take, because I heard from someone who was at the meeting who did not feel that way at all. She said Amos said that the incidents did not meet the criteria for alerting the community.

Exactly! Literally does not meet the FCPS criteria.

Can’t trust these parents to even report the truth. This person wrote a bunch of nothing just to call him a liar again when he was clear in the meeting about certain incidents not meeting the threshold. Nice try.

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The email asks parents to register and go to a community meeting at another school. This doesn’t seem right at all.

Anyone from the FCPS community is invited to come and that school is the location where the meeting is behind held. It is a community wide event and not specifically for that one school.

Except the email specifically is encouraging Navy families to come and air grievances about the new Navy principal. Shame on whoever is involved.

All this because the new principal isn’t as easily swayed by PTA moms?

I'm not going to paste the email, but it made reference to a couple of recent incidents where there was apparently police involvement but the school community was not notified. I can't verify whether the information is true or not -- I had not heard anything about either incident. It is concerning if true. The other part of the email referred to staff feeling unsupported. That part came off more whiny to me and not something that a parent should be bringing up on behalf of teachers, in my opinion. It makes the teachers look bad. Clearly someone is complaining to parents. Even if you hate your principal that is unprofessional. At Navy the lines between parents and teachers are a little too blurry sometimes. Maybe parents shouldn't be allowed to frequently sub at their kids' own school. You want to make money as a sub, do it somewhere else. Don't do it so you can spy on your kid's school day and get the best teacher placements for your kid.

This gossip shouldn’t be spread in a malicious email like this. This quite frankly is looking more and more like a witch hunt. It honestly all sounds like sour grapes.

For police involvement I was there when the cop interviewed a kid next to the sign in sign out laptop. I think the interview should have taken place somewhere more private.

“Interview”? BS. More like a question.

I can repeat the particulars. The cop was asking questions for the entire 5 min while I waited for my kid.

Had to do with what was said, religion, what classes they had together (6th grade AAP) etc.

I still fail to see how that shows we need a new principal. Our current one is fantastic.

Communications could be better. I don't think any info went out about the drone incident either.

Drone incident??

Late in 2023, my child told me that their class had been evacuated. I asked more about the incident and was told that this is actually the third time since school started (2 months at that point). Each time was due to the violent outbursts of one student (throwing chairs, knocking over desks, screaming, knocking things over...). I asked about the student involved and was told that this student also tried to stab another one with a pencil.

Concerned, I emailed Amos and he responded that the while the classroom had been evacuated multiple times, there was no attempting stabbing. The wording of the email ("if the teacher knows about it, i'm sure she dealt with it appropriately") gave me the impression that he had not spoken with the teacher prior to responding. Unsatisfied, I spoke with the teacher a few days later at a parent teacher conference. When I repeatedly asked her about the attempt to stab another student, her eventual response was "we stopped it before anything happened". I think, and hopefully i'm not alone here, attempting to stab another student is a serious allegation, and one that should not be dismissed without some rudimentary investigation.

I would have liked to have heard about the classroom being evacuated, so that I would be prepared to talk to my child about it, but did not receive any communications. I do feel like Amos either lied to me about the potential stabbing, or just failed to do any due diligence, either way its bad.

I went to event tonight with the principal. One of the parents asked about the allegations in the email, in particular about the bomb threat and whether the police were called. Amos admitted that there was a bomb threat, but it was a joke between friends. When asked about the police being called he responded that they were... Another parent asked what she's supposed to tell her 2nd grader, who thinks the police only show up for gangs and drug dealers... His response was to tell the child the police like to stop by school and visit. When asked why there was no communication sent home, he was elusive and danced around the question until the conversation moved on.

I have heard about this email going around... Amos' failure to be transparent, and denying the incidents mentioned above occurred (lying) mirrors my own experience with him. When I reach out to my child's principal to discuss an incident that I think is serious, I do not want to be lied to. After my own experience in 2023 and hearing that Amos initially lied about the bomb threat and police presence, only to admit tonight the truth, I don't trust him to be truthful in our communications.

Amos explained that it was actually a parent that called the police. It was probably you, seeing as you have a vendetta against him. I’m sorry your child has a bad class this year - we’ve all been there. There were classes that needed evacuation under Jon with even worse behavior than an attempted pencil stabbing. My guess is you probably asked to have your child moved earlier in the year and was told no. This feels like sour grapes to me.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. See the above poster made a far more convincing argument in favor of their position, by adding personal antecedents and experiences. I’m now far more likely to support Amos’ ouster than the side that cried “muh racism” “black man”, without anyone having directed a single racial charge beforehand.

Tell me you're a bigot without telling me you're a bigot.

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My kid's teacher at Navy is amazing and I have never had any issue. This blog seems to be a bunch of whining entitled cry babies that can't solve issues by themselves and talk to their kids teacher like an adult face to face. Instead run to the internet to absolutely bash them anonymously online. You know the internet is permanent right? Any teacher going forward coming to this school will read this and have a pretty tainted picture of what the parents are like here.

Lastly, no one goes to your job and tells you how to feel about your boss. I am sure all of us have had a boss that was internally toxic to employees but the second a client(aka parent) is around they are an angel. You know nothing about what these teachers relationship is with him, so throwing claims of racism is so low and pathetic.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid's teacher at Navy is amazing and I have never had any issue. This blog seems to be a bunch of whining entitled cry babies that can't solve issues by themselves and talk to their kids teacher like an adult face to face. Instead run to the internet to absolutely bash them anonymously online. You know the internet is permanent right? Any teacher going forward coming to this school will read this and have a pretty tainted picture of what the parents are like here.

Lastly, no one goes to your job and tells you how to feel about your boss. I am sure all of us have had a boss that was internally toxic to employees but the second a client(aka parent) is around they are an angel. You know nothing about what these teachers relationship is with him, so throwing claims of racism is so low and pathetic.

Tell me you’re a Navy teacher pretending to be a parent without telling me you’re a Navy teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid's teacher at Navy is amazing and I have never had any issue. This blog seems to be a bunch of whining entitled cry babies that can't solve issues by themselves and talk to their kids teacher like an adult face to face. Instead run to the internet to absolutely bash them anonymously online. You know the internet is permanent right? Any teacher going forward coming to this school will read this and have a pretty tainted picture of what the parents are like here.

Lastly, no one goes to your job and tells you how to feel about your boss. I am sure all of us have had a boss that was internally toxic to employees but the second a client(aka parent) is around they are an angel. You know nothing about what these teachers relationship is with him, so throwing claims of racism is so low and pathetic.

Tell me you’re a Navy teacher pretending to be a parent without telling me you’re a Navy teacher.

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