Delta Variant and APS

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I think if #s stay low they won’t require masks but will over certain threshold.

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Anonymous wrote:American Association of pediatrics just recommended that any child regardless of vaccination status over age 2 should wear mask in the school setting next year. APS is likely to follow this.

CDC and Pfizer / Moderna need to speed up the approval down to 5. They've already done dosing amount testing. With the tends of millions of adults already received the shot, we know it's effective. Let us parents get our kids vaxxed, please.

No, they should not “speed up” anything. I fully support scientific entities utilizing whatever process they deem appropriate.

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Anonymous wrote:How did private schools handle kids getting COVID last school year?

Very well, generally. Testing, tracing, and isolating.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if #s stay low they won’t require masks but will over certain threshold.

No way. Masks will be required.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we will be in school 5 days a week. That being said, I just read an article that said in MO there are 12 kids in the PICU and 10 on ventilators. I hope we don't get to that point here.

I haven't really researched much into SB 1303 but I was wondering what happens if there is a virus (not saying it has to be covid) that poses a significant clear and present danger. Something with a high mortality rate. Would the bill prevent schools from being closed?

Right- and if APS (or any other district) closes schools because they are concerned about the Delta variant, what is anyone going to do? Is there any enforcement mechanism? It's just hard for me to envision a scenario where APS says they can't open schools because of Delta variant, and the governor orders them back anyway.

I'm also concerned about the extent to which groups will be quarantined. I'm afraid that if there are any exposures in my kids' schools it will functionally be the same as last year.

What is the plan? If a kid in class gets sick does my kid have to stay home for 14 days? Will his teacher teach him or will he be online for 2 weeks. Again such a cluster

I believe an entire elementary class would be quarantined if a kid tests positive. I hope it’s only for 5 days and those testing negative can return. But yea if the whole class is out i would think they would do virtual for that period.

CDC guidance is 8 day quarantine with a negative test on days 5-7. That is what the push is for APS to follow this year.

Who is pushing this? I'd be fine with this. Arlington County health department is still requiring 14 day quarantine regardless of asymptomatic and negative covid tests.

I can't remember the exact acronym but the push is coming from whatever the state version of the AAP is. My friend is a pediatrician and on the advisory committee.

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Anonymous wrote:American Association of pediatrics just recommended that any child regardless of vaccination status over age 2 should wear mask in the school setting next year. APS is likely to follow this.

CDC and Pfizer / Moderna need to speed up the approval down to 5. They've already done dosing amount testing. With the tends of millions of adults already received the shot, we know it's effective. Let us parents get our kids vaxxed, please.

I really think public health is making a mistake by saying everyone needs to be vaccinated in schools regardless of vax status. I am very hesitant to get my kids vaccinated because they have extremely low risk if they contract COVID and all the adults in our life are vaccinated. BUT if it meant my kid go maskless at school, I would run to get them vaccinated. Now I think I’ll wait until there’s more data. I am very wary because the US and Israel seem to be the only countries going full steam ahead on getting kids vaxxed. Even countries with good supply, like the UK, are holding off. That makes me nervous, especially when kids are very, very low risk of complication if they COVID. I do realize we don’t know the long-term effects of COVID, but we also don’t know the long-term effects of the vaccine. SO i would personally wait to get my kids vaxxed unless there was a real, tangible incentive to doing so — like being able to take off their masks.

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Anonymous wrote:American Association of pediatrics just recommended that any child regardless of vaccination status over age 2 should wear mask in the school setting next year. APS is likely to follow this.

CDC and Pfizer / Moderna need to speed up the approval down to 5. They've already done dosing amount testing. With the tends of millions of adults already received the shot, we know it's effective. Let us parents get our kids vaxxed, please.

I really think public health is making a mistake by saying everyone needs to be vaccinated in schools regardless of vax status. I am very hesitant to get my kids vaccinated because they have extremely low risk if they contract COVID and all the adults in our life are vaccinated. BUT if it meant my kid go maskless at school, I would run to get them vaccinated. Now I think I’ll wait until there’s more data. I am very wary because the US and Israel seem to be the only countries going full steam ahead on getting kids vaxxed. Even countries with good supply, like the UK, are holding off. That makes me nervous, especially when kids are very, very low risk of complication if they COVID. I do realize we don’t know the long-term effects of COVID, but we also don’t know the long-term effects of the vaccine. SO i would personally wait to get my kids vaxxed unless there was a real, tangible incentive to doing so — like being able to take off their masks.

I don't understand this view. The long term (and short term) health risks of covid have been well documented. So so so many people have died or gotten terribly sick. The vaccine has been carefully studied and has significantly less risk of complications than covid--ita not even close. Kids may be low risk for covid complications, but getting the vaccine is much much safer than not.

And it's not like we have tons of long term data about the risk of covid. It's months older than the vaccine. All data suggest kids should get the vaccine to reduce risk of serious issues.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think public health is making a mistake by saying everyone needs to be vaccinated in schools regardless of vax status. I am very hesitant to get my kids vaccinated because they have extremely low risk if they contract COVID and all the adults in our life are vaccinated. BUT if it meant my kid go maskless at school, I would run to get them vaccinated. Now I think I’ll wait until there’s more data. I am very wary because the US and Israel seem to be the only countries going full steam ahead on getting kids vaxxed. Even countries with good supply, like the UK, are holding off. That makes me nervous, especially when kids are very, very low risk of complication if they COVID. I do realize we don’t know the long-term effects of COVID, but we also don’t know the long-term effects of the vaccine. SO i would personally wait to get my kids vaxxed unless there was a real, tangible incentive to doing so — like being able to take off their masks.

You are being selfish. My child is immunocompromised and needs your child to get vaxxed (once approved) so my child does not get seriously sick. The longer this virus circles around, even if not killing, the more it can mutate. It's about stopping community spread and not just self protection.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think public health is making a mistake by saying everyone needs to be vaccinated in schools regardless of vax status. I am very hesitant to get my kids vaccinated because they have extremely low risk if they contract COVID and all the adults in our life are vaccinated. BUT if it meant my kid go maskless at school, I would run to get them vaccinated. Now I think I’ll wait until there’s more data. I am very wary because the US and Israel seem to be the only countries going full steam ahead on getting kids vaxxed. Even countries with good supply, like the UK, are holding off. That makes me nervous, especially when kids are very, very low risk of complication if they COVID. I do realize we don’t know the long-term effects of COVID, but we also don’t know the long-term effects of the vaccine. SO i would personally wait to get my kids vaxxed unless there was a real, tangible incentive to doing so — like being able to take off their masks.

You are being selfish. My child is immunocompromised and needs your child to get vaxxed (once approved) so my child does not get seriously sick. The longer this virus circles around, even if not killing, the more it can mutate. It's about stopping community spread and not just self protection.

The last year and a half+ has been so many soft fools espousing a position on the pandemic that is basically "it inconveniences me personally, so I'm going to ignore it and anyone who tries to do something about it, well that also inconveniences me as well"

So here's delta and soon to be epsilon?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:American Association of pediatrics just recommended that any child regardless of vaccination status over age 2 should wear mask in the school setting next year. APS is likely to follow this.

CDC and Pfizer / Moderna need to speed up the approval down to 5. They've already done dosing amount testing. With the tends of millions of adults already received the shot, we know it's effective. Let us parents get our kids vaxxed, please.

I really think public health is making a mistake by saying everyone needs to be vaccinated in schools regardless of vax status. I am very hesitant to get my kids vaccinated because they have extremely low risk if they contract COVID and all the adults in our life are vaccinated. BUT if it meant my kid go maskless at school, I would run to get them vaccinated. Now I think I’ll wait until there’s more data. I am very wary because the US and Israel seem to be the only countries going full steam ahead on getting kids vaxxed. Even countries with good supply, like the UK, are holding off. That makes me nervous, especially when kids are very, very low risk of complication if they COVID. I do realize we don’t know the long-term effects of COVID, but we also don’t know the long-term effects of the vaccine. SO i would personally wait to get my kids vaxxed unless there was a real, tangible incentive to doing so — like being able to take off their masks.

SORRY - I meant to say "everyone needs to masked [not vaccinated] in schools regardless of vax status.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think public health is making a mistake by saying everyone needs to be vaccinated in schools regardless of vax status. I am very hesitant to get my kids vaccinated because they have extremely low risk if they contract COVID and all the adults in our life are vaccinated. BUT if it meant my kid go maskless at school, I would run to get them vaccinated. Now I think I’ll wait until there’s more data. I am very wary because the US and Israel seem to be the only countries going full steam ahead on getting kids vaxxed. Even countries with good supply, like the UK, are holding off. That makes me nervous, especially when kids are very, very low risk of complication if they COVID. I do realize we don’t know the long-term effects of COVID, but we also don’t know the long-term effects of the vaccine. SO i would personally wait to get my kids vaxxed unless there was a real, tangible incentive to doing so — like being able to take off their masks.

You are being selfish. My child is immunocompromised and needs your child to get vaxxed (once approved) so my child does not get seriously sick. The longer this virus circles around, even if not killing, the more it can mutate. It's about stopping community spread and not just self protection.

The last year and a half+ has been so many soft fools espousing a position on the pandemic that is basically "it inconveniences me personally, so I'm going to ignore it and anyone who tries to do something about it, well that also inconveniences me as well"

So here's delta and soon to be epsilon?

I think the point is that there should be incentives to get your kid vaxxed - like being able to forgo the mask. Humans are selfish, that's why I agree it's a bad public health move to not incentivize students to get vaccinated. And I don't buy that it's not enforceable. You have to prove your vaccinated to register for school. COVID may not be mandatory but it will show in the health records and students will be told to wear a mask unless vaccinate. Students that wish to take their mask off will need to self-identify --perhaps they can wear a bracelet. No one will be forced to disclose status.....unless they want to take their mask off!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really think public health is making a mistake by saying everyone needs to be vaccinated in schools regardless of vax status. I am very hesitant to get my kids vaccinated because they have extremely low risk if they contract COVID and all the adults in our life are vaccinated. BUT if it meant my kid go maskless at school, I would run to get them vaccinated. Now I think I’ll wait until there’s more data. I am very wary because the US and Israel seem to be the only countries going full steam ahead on getting kids vaxxed. Even countries with good supply, like the UK, are holding off. That makes me nervous, especially when kids are very, very low risk of complication if they COVID. I do realize we don’t know the long-term effects of COVID, but we also don’t know the long-term effects of the vaccine. SO i would personally wait to get my kids vaxxed unless there was a real, tangible incentive to doing so — like being able to take off their masks.

You are being selfish. My child is immunocompromised and needs your child to get vaxxed (once approved) so my child does not get seriously sick. The longer this virus circles around, even if not killing, the more it can mutate. It's about stopping community spread and not just self protection.

The last year and a half+ has been so many soft fools espousing a position on the pandemic that is basically "it inconveniences me personally, so I'm going to ignore it and anyone who tries to do something about it, well that also inconveniences me as well"

So here's delta and soon to be epsilon?

The best way to prevent an epsilon is not to horde our vaccine supply for kids that are very low risk. We should blanketing the world to get every adult vaccinated asap --- that's what will really stop the variants. For right now the supply is still finite and we need to share them to prevent variants around the world.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think public health is making a mistake by saying everyone needs to be vaccinated in schools regardless of vax status. I am very hesitant to get my kids vaccinated because they have extremely low risk if they contract COVID and all the adults in our life are vaccinated. BUT if it meant my kid go maskless at school, I would run to get them vaccinated. Now I think I’ll wait until there’s more data. I am very wary because the US and Israel seem to be the only countries going full steam ahead on getting kids vaxxed. Even countries with good supply, like the UK, are holding off. That makes me nervous, especially when kids are very, very low risk of complication if they COVID. I do realize we don’t know the long-term effects of COVID, but we also don’t know the long-term effects of the vaccine. SO i would personally wait to get my kids vaxxed unless there was a real, tangible incentive to doing so — like being able to take off their masks.

You are being selfish. My child is immunocompromised and needs your child to get vaxxed (once approved) so my child does not get seriously sick. The longer this virus circles around, even if not killing, the more it can mutate. It's about stopping community spread and not just self protection.

The last year and a half+ has been so many soft fools espousing a position on the pandemic that is basically "it inconveniences me personally, so I'm going to ignore it and anyone who tries to do something about it, well that also inconveniences me as well"

So here's delta and soon to be epsilon?

The best way to prevent an epsilon is not to horde our vaccine supply for kids that are very low risk. We should blanketing the world to get every adult vaccinated asap --- that's what will really stop the variants. For right now the supply is still finite and we need to share them to prevent variants around the world.

WRT the US, vaccine demand is way way under supply. Everyone who wants a vaccine just about has one. I agree, start vaccinating the rest of the world, cause soft people here clearly don't want it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:American Association of pediatrics just recommended that any child regardless of vaccination status over age 2 should wear mask in the school setting next year. APS is likely to follow this.

CDC and Pfizer / Moderna need to speed up the approval down to 5. They've already done dosing amount testing. With the tends of millions of adults already received the shot, we know it's effective. Let us parents get our kids vaxxed, please.

I really think public health is making a mistake by saying everyone needs to be vaccinated in schools regardless of vax status. I am very hesitant to get my kids vaccinated because they have extremely low risk if they contract COVID and all the adults in our life are vaccinated. BUT if it meant my kid go maskless at school, I would run to get them vaccinated. Now I think I’ll wait until there’s more data. I am very wary because the US and Israel seem to be the only countries going full steam ahead on getting kids vaxxed. Even countries with good supply, like the UK, are holding off. That makes me nervous, especially when kids are very, very low risk of complication if they COVID. I do realize we don’t know the long-term effects of COVID, but we also don’t know the long-term effects of the vaccine. SO i would personally wait to get my kids vaxxed unless there was a real, tangible incentive to doing so — like being able to take off their masks.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:I really think public health is making a mistake by saying everyone needs to be vaccinated in schools regardless of vax status. I am very hesitant to get my kids vaccinated because they have extremely low risk if they contract COVID and all the adults in our life are vaccinated. BUT if it meant my kid go maskless at school, I would run to get them vaccinated. Now I think I’ll wait until there’s more data. I am very wary because the US and Israel seem to be the only countries going full steam ahead on getting kids vaxxed. Even countries with good supply, like the UK, are holding off. That makes me nervous, especially when kids are very, very low risk of complication if they COVID. I do realize we don’t know the long-term effects of COVID, but we also don’t know the long-term effects of the vaccine. SO i would personally wait to get my kids vaxxed unless there was a real, tangible incentive to doing so — like being able to take off their masks.

You are being selfish. My child is immunocompromised and needs your child to get vaxxed (once approved) so my child does not get seriously sick. The longer this virus circles around, even if not killing, the more it can mutate. It's about stopping community spread and not just self protection.

The last year and a half+ has been so many soft fools espousing a position on the pandemic that is basically "it inconveniences me personally, so I'm going to ignore it and anyone who tries to do something about it, well that also inconveniences me as well"

So here's delta and soon to be epsilon?

I think the point is that there should be incentives to get your kid vaxxed - like being able to forgo the mask. Humans are selfish, that's why I agree it's a bad public health move to not incentivize students to get vaccinated. And I don't buy that it's not enforceable. You have to prove your vaccinated to register for school. COVID may not be mandatory but it will show in the health records and students will be told to wear a mask unless vaccinate. Students that wish to take their mask off will need to self-identify --perhaps they can wear a bracelet. No one will be forced to disclose status.....unless they want to take their mask off!

This has no scientific basis you all.

The vaccine does NOT stop transmission of covid infection. It can stop symptoms.

The vaccine is NOT 90-100% effective at preventing symptoms of Delta mutation. Some are saying efficacy in the 60s.

Would you use an IUD or birth control pill with 65% efficacy?

The primary strains emerging are Delta and Alpha.

So, back to 2020 logic, isn't it "selfish" to refuse to wear a mask and put others at risk of death?

In 2020, the worst strain had maybe 273x the viral load. In 2021, Delta has 1000x.

Right now, case numbers are almost zero, okay. But that can change.