For teachers: in re impact

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Anonymous wrote:^^ im 95% sure I know who are you.
You post similar styled stuff on the WTU Facebook page. My kid has also been in your class. And for your 7 years… you are counting your years as a para. Which is fine… but it’s not teaching.

Even if you did know who I was I would not care. Also I have never been a parapro, so yes it’s been 7 years.

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Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

NP but IMPACT does have a punishment though; you can have your salary frozen if you get below effective, which isn’t that hard to know. I’ve seen friends get stuck with a 2.99 bc their admin found a way to take points off for spurious reasons.

You know how I know that’s BS? Because they round up your score. I have received a 3.45 and it was rounded up to 3.5. You can email the Impact team and confirm this information. And I did not ask for them to round it up, it is automatic.

And that is not a punishment it’s a consequence, there is a difference.

Am I understanding correctly that your 3.45 rounded up to a 3.5 and HE? I scored a 3.48 three years ago and my score was not rounded up. I didn't know that was a possibility. Does anyone know if this is true because if so I would love to email and find out.

They do not round in the ones or hundredths place (depending on the way you look its reported). I've gotten HE a couple of times before, but I have also gotten a 347, 349 and a 346. Never rounded. They do round to the nearest whole number (when reporting the score in the hundreds) or the nearest hundredth when reporting the score.

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But I get what you mean, if helping another person could mess you up that is a toxic system. Which is why impact specifically needs to go.

This! Because of you are worried about not helping the other guy who’s trying to help their students, then it’s not about the kids. When it’s not about the kids, the system is ineffective



Yep. I think we all agree. What we don’t agree on is the bonus lol

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Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

NP but IMPACT does have a punishment though; you can have your salary frozen if you get below effective, which isn’t that hard to know. I’ve seen friends get stuck with a 2.99 bc their admin found a way to take points off for spurious reasons.

You know how I know that’s BS? Because they round up your score. I have received a 3.45 and it was rounded up to 3.5. You can email the Impact team and confirm this information. And I did not ask for them to round it up, it is automatic.

And that is not a punishment it’s a consequence, there is a difference.

Am I understanding correctly that your 3.45 rounded up to a 3.5 and HE? I scored a 3.48 three years ago and my score was not rounded up. I didn't know that was a possibility. Does anyone know if this is true because if so I would love to email and find out.

They do not round in the ones or hundredths place (depending on the way you look its reported). I've gotten HE a couple of times before, but I have also gotten a 347, 349 and a 346. Never rounded. They do round to the nearest whole number (when reporting the score in the hundreds) or the nearest hundredth when reporting the score.

Yes…I never said if you got a 347 you’d get 350…. To get 350 you need 349.5 and it must be the final score. They do not round up EP scores or the like.

I emailed impact last night after feeling weird about people’s responses. I am not special, there’s no way they’d specially round up my score. And the reply came back, they round up ALL FINAL scores. Final scores only.

So if you scored 349.5+ you got HE. and I gave you the wrong score, I got 349.55 not .45.

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Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

NP but IMPACT does have a punishment though; you can have your salary frozen if you get below effective, which isn’t that hard to know. I’ve seen friends get stuck with a 2.99 bc their admin found a way to take points off for spurious reasons.

You know how I know that’s BS? Because they round up your score. I have received a 3.45 and it was rounded up to 3.5. You can email the Impact team and confirm this information. And I did not ask for them to round it up, it is automatic.

And that is not a punishment it’s a consequence, there is a difference.

Am I understanding correctly that your 3.45 rounded up to a 3.5 and HE? I scored a 3.48 three years ago and my score was not rounded up. I didn't know that was a possibility. Does anyone know if this is true because if so I would love to email and find out.

They do not round in the ones or hundredths place (depending on the way you look its reported). I've gotten HE a couple of times before, but I have also gotten a 347, 349 and a 346. Never rounded. They do round to the nearest whole number (when reporting the score in the hundreds) or the nearest hundredth when reporting the score.

Yes…I never said if you got a 347 you’d get 350…. To get 350 you need 349.5 and it must be the final score. They do not round up EP scores or the like.

I emailed impact last night after feeling weird about people’s responses. I am not special, there’s no way they’d specially round up my score. And the reply came back, they round up ALL FINAL scores. Final scores only.

So if you scored 349.5+ you got HE. and I gave you the wrong score, I got 349.55 not .45.

That's accurate, but also *not* what you said before so. <<shrug>>

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Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

NP but IMPACT does have a punishment though; you can have your salary frozen if you get below effective, which isn’t that hard to know. I’ve seen friends get stuck with a 2.99 bc their admin found a way to take points off for spurious reasons.

You know how I know that’s BS? Because they round up your score. I have received a 3.45 and it was rounded up to 3.5. You can email the Impact team and confirm this information. And I did not ask for them to round it up, it is automatic.

And that is not a punishment it’s a consequence, there is a difference.

Am I understanding correctly that your 3.45 rounded up to a 3.5 and HE? I scored a 3.48 three years ago and my score was not rounded up. I didn't know that was a possibility. Does anyone know if this is true because if so I would love to email and find out.

They do not round in the ones or hundredths place (depending on the way you look its reported). I've gotten HE a couple of times before, but I have also gotten a 347, 349 and a 346. Never rounded. They do round to the nearest whole number (when reporting the score in the hundreds) or the nearest hundredth when reporting the score.

Yes…I never said if you got a 347 you’d get 350…. To get 350 you need 349.5 and it must be the final score. They do not round up EP scores or the like.

I emailed impact last night after feeling weird about people’s responses. I am not special, there’s no way they’d specially round up my score. And the reply came back, they round up ALL FINAL scores. Final scores only.

So if you scored 349.5+ you got HE. and I gave you the wrong score, I got 349.55 not .45.

That's accurate, but also *not* what you said before so. <<shrug>>

Uh yes it is. Where TF did I say if you got a 347 they’d round to 350?

My comment was a response to the lying poster who said friends got 299.99, that is a LIE. That would be rounded to 300.

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Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

NP but IMPACT does have a punishment though; you can have your salary frozen if you get below effective, which isn’t that hard to know. I’ve seen friends get stuck with a 2.99 bc their admin found a way to take points off for spurious reasons.

You know how I know that’s BS? Because they round up your score. I have received a 3.45 and it was rounded up to 3.5. You can email the Impact team and confirm this information. And I did not ask for them to round it up, it is automatic.

And that is not a punishment it’s a consequence, there is a difference.

Am I understanding correctly that your 3.45 rounded up to a 3.5 and HE? I scored a 3.48 three years ago and my score was not rounded up. I didn't know that was a possibility. Does anyone know if this is true because if so I would love to email and find out.

They do not round in the ones or hundredths place (depending on the way you look its reported). I've gotten HE a couple of times before, but I have also gotten a 347, 349 and a 346. Never rounded. They do round to the nearest whole number (when reporting the score in the hundreds) or the nearest hundredth when reporting the score.

Yes…I never said if you got a 347 you’d get 350…. To get 350 you need 349.5 and it must be the final score. They do not round up EP scores or the like.

I emailed impact last night after feeling weird about people’s responses. I am not special, there’s no way they’d specially round up my score. And the reply came back, they round up ALL FINAL scores. Final scores only.

So if you scored 349.5+ you got HE. and I gave you the wrong score, I got 349.55 not .45.

That's accurate, but also *not* what you said before so. <<shrug>>

Uh yes it is. Where TF did I say if you got a 347 they’d round to 350?

My comment was a response to the lying poster who said friends got 299.99, that is a LIE. That would be rounded to 300.

You must be new to the site, bc everything I (non lying poster) said is shown on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

NP but IMPACT does have a punishment though; you can have your salary frozen if you get below effective, which isn’t that hard to know. I’ve seen friends get stuck with a 2.99 bc their admin found a way to take points off for spurious reasons.

You know how I know that’s BS? Because they round up your score. I have received a 3.45 and it was rounded up to 3.5. You can email the Impact team and confirm this information. And I did not ask for them to round it up, it is automatic.

And that is not a punishment it’s a consequence, there is a difference.

Am I understanding correctly that your 3.45 rounded up to a 3.5 and HE? I scored a 3.48 three years ago and my score was not rounded up. I didn't know that was a possibility. Does anyone know if this is true because if so I would love to email and find out.

They do not round in the ones or hundredths place (depending on the way you look its reported). I've gotten HE a couple of times before, but I have also gotten a 347, 349 and a 346. Never rounded. They do round to the nearest whole number (when reporting the score in the hundreds) or the nearest hundredth when reporting the score.

Yes…I never said if you got a 347 you’d get 350…. To get 350 you need 349.5 and it must be the final score. They do not round up EP scores or the like.

I emailed impact last night after feeling weird about people’s responses. I am not special, there’s no way they’d specially round up my score. And the reply came back, they round up ALL FINAL scores. Final scores only.

So if you scored 349.5+ you got HE. and I gave you the wrong score, I got 349.55 not .45.

That's accurate, but also *not* what you said before so. <<shrug>>

Uh yes it is. Where TF did I say if you got a 347 they’d round to 350?

My comment was a response to the lying poster who said friends got 299.99, that is a LIE. That would be rounded to 300.

You must be new to the site, bc everything I (non lying poster) said is shown on this thread.

You did lie. But ok, let’s pretend they got 2.99 and were kicked out. Then they were too stupid to point out the mistake. Oh well.

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Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

NP but IMPACT does have a punishment though; you can have your salary frozen if you get below effective, which isn’t that hard to know. I’ve seen friends get stuck with a 2.99 bc their admin found a way to take points off for spurious reasons.

You know how I know that’s BS? Because they round up your score. I have received a 3.45 and it was rounded up to 3.5. You can email the Impact team and confirm this information. And I did not ask for them to round it up, it is automatic.

And that is not a punishment it’s a consequence, there is a difference.

Am I understanding correctly that your 3.45 rounded up to a 3.5 and HE? I scored a 3.48 three years ago and my score was not rounded up. I didn't know that was a possibility. Does anyone know if this is true because if so I would love to email and find out.

They do not round in the ones or hundredths place (depending on the way you look its reported). I've gotten HE a couple of times before, but I have also gotten a 347, 349 and a 346. Never rounded. They do round to the nearest whole number (when reporting the score in the hundreds) or the nearest hundredth when reporting the score.

Yes…I never said if you got a 347 you’d get 350…. To get 350 you need 349.5 and it must be the final score. They do not round up EP scores or the like.

I emailed impact last night after feeling weird about people’s responses. I am not special, there’s no way they’d specially round up my score. And the reply came back, they round up ALL FINAL scores. Final scores only.

So if you scored 349.5+ you got HE. and I gave you the wrong score, I got 349.55 not .45.

That's accurate, but also *not* what you said before so. <<shrug>>

Uh yes it is. Where TF did I say if you got a 347 they’d round to 350?

My comment was a response to the lying poster who said friends got 299.99, that is a LIE. That would be rounded to 300.

"You must have some great luck bc I have had had 3.47 and nothing so lucky you. Also good semantics attempt but by your logic then it’s also a consequence if you get the bonus. And yes I’m an RC teacher so I understand logical consequences; the difference with impact is I know no way that I can improve bc there is literally nobody who can tel you how to score higher on IVA. I know this because I have spoken with the impact team multiple times to ask for suggestions and more transparency and all they say is thank you for your feedback"


"I definitely don’t have luck, you just got cheated or are lying.I’d email the impact team ASAP or ask if they change the policy from I believe I got the score in 2017."

I really don't understand your agenda, or what you are trying to accomplish by being so nasty on this thread, but you are continually getting caught in lies.

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Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

NP but IMPACT does have a punishment though; you can have your salary frozen if you get below effective, which isn’t that hard to know. I’ve seen friends get stuck with a 2.99 bc their admin found a way to take points off for spurious reasons.

You know how I know that’s BS? Because they round up your score. I have received a 3.45 and it was rounded up to 3.5. You can email the Impact team and confirm this information. And I did not ask for them to round it up, it is automatic.

And that is not a punishment it’s a consequence, there is a difference.

Am I understanding correctly that your 3.45 rounded up to a 3.5 and HE? I scored a 3.48 three years ago and my score was not rounded up. I didn't know that was a possibility. Does anyone know if this is true because if so I would love to email and find out.

They do not round in the ones or hundredths place (depending on the way you look its reported). I've gotten HE a couple of times before, but I have also gotten a 347, 349 and a 346. Never rounded. They do round to the nearest whole number (when reporting the score in the hundreds) or the nearest hundredth when reporting the score.

Yes…I never said if you got a 347 you’d get 350…. To get 350 you need 349.5 and it must be the final score. They do not round up EP scores or the like.

I emailed impact last night after feeling weird about people’s responses. I am not special, there’s no way they’d specially round up my score. And the reply came back, they round up ALL FINAL scores. Final scores only.

So if you scored 349.5+ you got HE. and I gave you the wrong score, I got 349.55 not .45.

That's accurate, but also *not* what you said before so. <<shrug>>

Uh yes it is. Where TF did I say if you got a 347 they’d round to 350?

My comment was a response to the lying poster who said friends got 299.99, that is a LIE. That would be rounded to 300.

You must be new to the site, bc everything I (non lying poster) said is shown on this thread.

You did lie. But ok, let’s pretend they got 2.99 and were kicked out. Then they were too stupid to point out the mistake. Oh well.

They were a first year teacher who learned the hard way that the best thing to do was bribe kids and make up TAS questions so it never happened again. Oh well

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1. That post was not me.

Ah I also see, where we might be seeing a difference.

When people are saying 3.45, I am thinking 349.5 but the got 345
I look at my score as the whole number.

You must get 349.5+ to get HE. I hope this is more clear for people.

My total decimal score would be 3.49, this was my bad.

Again, it still stands that that 2.99 is a lie though.

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Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

NP but IMPACT does have a punishment though; you can have your salary frozen if you get below effective, which isn’t that hard to know. I’ve seen friends get stuck with a 2.99 bc their admin found a way to take points off for spurious reasons.

You know how I know that’s BS? Because they round up your score. I have received a 3.45 and it was rounded up to 3.5. You can email the Impact team and confirm this information. And I did not ask for them to round it up, it is automatic.

And that is not a punishment it’s a consequence, there is a difference.

Am I understanding correctly that your 3.45 rounded up to a 3.5 and HE? I scored a 3.48 three years ago and my score was not rounded up. I didn't know that was a possibility. Does anyone know if this is true because if so I would love to email and find out.

They do not round in the ones or hundredths place (depending on the way you look its reported). I've gotten HE a couple of times before, but I have also gotten a 347, 349 and a 346. Never rounded. They do round to the nearest whole number (when reporting the score in the hundreds) or the nearest hundredth when reporting the score.

Yes…I never said if you got a 347 you’d get 350…. To get 350 you need 349.5 and it must be the final score. They do not round up EP scores or the like.

I emailed impact last night after feeling weird about people’s responses. I am not special, there’s no way they’d specially round up my score. And the reply came back, they round up ALL FINAL scores. Final scores only.

So if you scored 349.5+ you got HE. and I gave you the wrong score, I got 349.55 not .45.

That's accurate, but also *not* what you said before so. <<shrug>>

Uh yes it is. Where TF did I say if you got a 347 they’d round to 350?

My comment was a response to the lying poster who said friends got 299.99, that is a LIE. That would be rounded to 300.

You must be new to the site, bc everything I (non lying poster) said is shown on this thread.

You did lie. But ok, let’s pretend they got 2.99 and were kicked out. Then they were too stupid to point out the mistake. Oh well.

They were a first year teacher who learned the hard way that the best thing to do was bribe kids and make up TAS questions so it never happened again. Oh well

I am learning more and more each day. I hope they come up with something more FOOL proof and yes I mean fool, than impact. Bribing kids? And how can you make up TAS questions?
Mine has to be iReady…you guys have some nice admin.

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Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

NP but IMPACT does have a punishment though; you can have your salary frozen if you get below effective, which isn’t that hard to know. I’ve seen friends get stuck with a 2.99 bc their admin found a way to take points off for spurious reasons.

You know how I know that’s BS? Because they round up your score. I have received a 3.45 and it was rounded up to 3.5. You can email the Impact team and confirm this information. And I did not ask for them to round it up, it is automatic.

And that is not a punishment it’s a consequence, there is a difference.

Am I understanding correctly that your 3.45 rounded up to a 3.5 and HE? I scored a 3.48 three years ago and my score was not rounded up. I didn't know that was a possibility. Does anyone know if this is true because if so I would love to email and find out.

They do not round in the ones or hundredths place (depending on the way you look its reported). I've gotten HE a couple of times before, but I have also gotten a 347, 349 and a 346. Never rounded. They do round to the nearest whole number (when reporting the score in the hundreds) or the nearest hundredth when reporting the score.

Yes…I never said if you got a 347 you’d get 350…. To get 350 you need 349.5 and it must be the final score. They do not round up EP scores or the like.

I emailed impact last night after feeling weird about people’s responses. I am not special, there’s no way they’d specially round up my score. And the reply came back, they round up ALL FINAL scores. Final scores only.

So if you scored 349.5+ you got HE. and I gave you the wrong score, I got 349.55 not .45.

That's accurate, but also *not* what you said before so. <<shrug>>

Uh yes it is. Where TF did I say if you got a 347 they’d round to 350?

My comment was a response to the lying poster who said friends got 299.99, that is a LIE. That would be rounded to 300.

You must be new to the site, bc everything I (non lying poster) said is shown on this thread.

You did lie. But ok, let’s pretend they got 2.99 and were kicked out. Then they were too stupid to point out the mistake. Oh well.

They were a first year teacher who learned the hard way that the best thing to do was bribe kids and make up TAS questions so it never happened again. Oh well

I am learning more and more each day. I hope they come up with something more FOOL proof and yes I mean fool, than impact. Bribing kids? And how can you make up TAS questions?
Mine has to be iReady…you guys have some nice admin.

I - ready only assesses ELA and math. there are many other subjects under the IMPACT umbrella. As well as a student survey...

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Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

NP but IMPACT does have a punishment though; you can have your salary frozen if you get below effective, which isn’t that hard to know. I’ve seen friends get stuck with a 2.99 bc their admin found a way to take points off for spurious reasons.

You know how I know that’s BS? Because they round up your score. I have received a 3.45 and it was rounded up to 3.5. You can email the Impact team and confirm this information. And I did not ask for them to round it up, it is automatic.

And that is not a punishment it’s a consequence, there is a difference.

Am I understanding correctly that your 3.45 rounded up to a 3.5 and HE? I scored a 3.48 three years ago and my score was not rounded up. I didn't know that was a possibility. Does anyone know if this is true because if so I would love to email and find out.

They do not round in the ones or hundredths place (depending on the way you look its reported). I've gotten HE a couple of times before, but I have also gotten a 347, 349 and a 346. Never rounded. They do round to the nearest whole number (when reporting the score in the hundreds) or the nearest hundredth when reporting the score.

Yes…I never said if you got a 347 you’d get 350…. To get 350 you need 349.5 and it must be the final score. They do not round up EP scores or the like.

I emailed impact last night after feeling weird about people’s responses. I am not special, there’s no way they’d specially round up my score. And the reply came back, they round up ALL FINAL scores. Final scores only.

So if you scored 349.5+ you got HE. and I gave you the wrong score, I got 349.55 not .45.

That's accurate, but also *not* what you said before so. <<shrug>>

Uh yes it is. Where TF did I say if you got a 347 they’d round to 350?

My comment was a response to the lying poster who said friends got 299.99, that is a LIE. That would be rounded to 300.

You must be new to the site, bc everything I (non lying poster) said is shown on this thread.

You did lie. But ok, let’s pretend they got 2.99 and were kicked out. Then they were too stupid to point out the mistake. Oh well.

They were a first year teacher who learned the hard way that the best thing to do was bribe kids and make up TAS questions so it never happened again. Oh well

I am learning more and more each day. I hope they come up with something more FOOL proof and yes I mean fool, than impact. Bribing kids? And how can you make up TAS questions?
Mine has to be iReady…you guys have some nice admin.

I - ready only assesses ELA and math. there are many other subjects under the IMPACT umbrella. As well as a student survey...

Sure but I still have to include iReady it’s worth the bulk of the TAS score. Because it’ll be hard for me to cheat on it, especially because I have a weekly meeting going over the data. I can’t do iReady for my kids everyday for the whole school year. And it looks really suspect if on lessons they are doing poorly but score amazingly on the test…and show all this growth in proficiency

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Anonymous wrote:1. That post was not me.

Ah I also see, where we might be seeing a difference.

When people are saying 3.45, I am thinking 349.5 but the got 345
I look at my score as the whole number.

You must get 349.5+ to get HE. I hope this is more clear for people.

My total decimal score would be 3.49, this was my bad.

Again, it still stands that that 2.99 is a lie though.

Different poster. How did you interpret 3.45 as 349.5? There is literally a whole extra digit. You can say whatever you want, but you read it wrong. We can all see that. Just admit it.