For teachers: in re impact

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Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

NP but IMPACT does have a punishment though; you can have your salary frozen if you get below effective, which isn’t that hard to know. I’ve seen friends get stuck with a 2.99 bc their admin found a way to take points off for spurious reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

NP but IMPACT does have a punishment though; you can have your salary frozen if you get below effective, which isn’t that hard to know. I’ve seen friends get stuck with a 2.99 bc their admin found a way to take points off for spurious reasons.

You know how I know that’s BS? Because they round up your score. I have received a 3.45 and it was rounded up to 3.5. You can email the Impact team and confirm this information. And I did not ask for them to round it up, it is automatic.

And that is not a punishment it’s a consequence, there is a difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

NP but IMPACT does have a punishment though; you can have your salary frozen if you get below effective, which isn’t that hard to know. I’ve seen friends get stuck with a 2.99 bc their admin found a way to take points off for spurious reasons.

You know how I know that’s BS? Because they round up your score. I have received a 3.45 and it was rounded up to 3.5. You can email the Impact team and confirm this information. And I did not ask for them to round it up, it is automatic.

And that is not a punishment it’s a consequence, there is a difference.

You must have some great luck bc I have had had 3.47 and nothing so lucky you. Also good semantics attempt but by your logic then it’s also a consequence if you get the bonus. And yes I’m an RC teacher so I understand logical consequences; the difference with impact is I know no way that I can improve bc there is literally nobody who can tel you how to score higher on IVA. I know this because I have spoken with the impact team multiple times to ask for suggestions and more transparency and all they say is thank you for your feedback

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

NP but IMPACT does have a punishment though; you can have your salary frozen if you get below effective, which isn’t that hard to know. I’ve seen friends get stuck with a 2.99 bc their admin found a way to take points off for spurious reasons.

You know how I know that’s BS? Because they round up your score. I have received a 3.45 and it was rounded up to 3.5. You can email the Impact team and confirm this information. And I did not ask for them to round it up, it is automatic.

And that is not a punishment it’s a consequence, there is a difference.

You must have some great luck bc I have had had 3.47 and nothing so lucky you. Also good semantics attempt but by your logic then it’s also a consequence if you get the bonus. And yes I’m an RC teacher so I understand logical consequences; the difference with impact is I know no way that I can improve bc there is literally nobody who can tel you how to score higher on IVA. I know this because I have spoken with the impact team multiple times to ask for suggestions and more transparency and all they say is thank you for your feedback

I definitely don’t have luck, you just got cheated or are lying.I’d email the impact team ASAP or ask if they change the policy from I believe I got the score in 2017.

And it’s not semantics, you just don’t understand psychology. Getting a bonus is not a consequence it’s a reinforcer for you to continue doing what you’re doing. A consequence is a result or the direct effect of an action. A punishment is meant to hurt the person, not encourage self-examination or accept responsibility.

I am not saying impact is good so YES depending on the person impact could be a punishment. But we were talking about the idea of reinforcement (bonus) in the future with a modified or different evaluation system.


Again, NOT saying impact is good. I am saying a bonus is not inherently bad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

NP but IMPACT does have a punishment though; you can have your salary frozen if you get below effective, which isn’t that hard to know. I’ve seen friends get stuck with a 2.99 bc their admin found a way to take points off for spurious reasons.

You know how I know that’s BS? Because they round up your score. I have received a 3.45 and it was rounded up to 3.5. You can email the Impact team and confirm this information. And I did not ask for them to round it up, it is automatic.

And that is not a punishment it’s a consequence, there is a difference.

You must have some great luck bc I have had had 3.47 and nothing so lucky you. Also good semantics attempt but by your logic then it’s also a consequence if you get the bonus. And yes I’m an RC teacher so I understand logical consequences; the difference with impact is I know no way that I can improve bc there is literally nobody who can tel you how to score higher on IVA. I know this because I have spoken with the impact team multiple times to ask for suggestions and more transparency and all they say is thank you for your feedback

I definitely don’t have luck, you just got cheated or are lying.I’d email the impact team ASAP or ask if they change the policy from I believe I got the score in 2017.

And it’s not semantics, you just don’t understand psychology. Getting a bonus is not a consequence it’s a reinforcer for you to continue doing what you’re doing. A consequence is a result or the direct effect of an action. A punishment is meant to hurt the person, not encourage self-examination or accept responsibility.

I am not saying impact is good so YES depending on the person impact could be a punishment. But we were talking about the idea of reinforcement (bonus) in the future with a modified or different evaluation system.


Again, NOT saying impact is good. I am saying a bonus is not inherently bad.

This is all semantics. I am at a school in Ward 5 (see the earlier post about how teachers at Wards 8 and 5 have the lowest percent of teachers who get HE. At my school, teachers never get HE, and most years, over half of teachers are developing. I've seen the stats. The principal uses IMPACT to keep people in line, and so yes, the step hold is a punishment for not doing what he wants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

NP but IMPACT does have a punishment though; you can have your salary frozen if you get below effective, which isn’t that hard to know. I’ve seen friends get stuck with a 2.99 bc their admin found a way to take points off for spurious reasons.

You know how I know that’s BS? Because they round up your score. I have received a 3.45 and it was rounded up to 3.5. You can email the Impact team and confirm this information. And I did not ask for them to round it up, it is automatic.

And that is not a punishment it’s a consequence, there is a difference.

You must have some great luck bc I have had had 3.47 and nothing so lucky you. Also good semantics attempt but by your logic then it’s also a consequence if you get the bonus. And yes I’m an RC teacher so I understand logical consequences; the difference with impact is I know no way that I can improve bc there is literally nobody who can tel you how to score higher on IVA. I know this because I have spoken with the impact team multiple times to ask for suggestions and more transparency and all they say is thank you for your feedback

I definitely don’t have luck, you just got cheated or are lying.I’d email the impact team ASAP or ask if they change the policy from I believe I got the score in 2017.

And it’s not semantics, you just don’t understand psychology. Getting a bonus is not a consequence it’s a reinforcer for you to continue doing what you’re doing. A consequence is a result or the direct effect of an action. A punishment is meant to hurt the person, not encourage self-examination or accept responsibility.

I am not saying impact is good so YES depending on the person impact could be a punishment. But we were talking about the idea of reinforcement (bonus) in the future with a modified or different evaluation system.


Again, NOT saying impact is good. I am saying a bonus is not inherently bad.

This is all semantics. I am at a school in Ward 5 (see the earlier post about how teachers at Wards 8 and 5 have the lowest percent of teachers who get HE. At my school, teachers never get HE, and most years, over half of teachers are developing. I've seen the stats. The principal uses IMPACT to keep people in line, and so yes, the step hold is a punishment for not doing what he wants.

Feelin like a broken record…. I’m not saying impact isn’t being used as a punishment, I am saying NOT getting a bonus is not a punishment. If we had a GOOD evaluation system and you didn’t get a bonus it’s not a punishment. I was replying to the person saying ALL bonuses and pay skips are bad. They are not.

I’m honestly puzzled what other teachers really want. You want a job that nurtures you, fosters, and pays for your growth. All while trying to elevate new teachers some who should not be working in the most difficult schools. You want to make sure none of us can lose our jobs ever, unless we’ve done something crazy?

That’s great, I want some of those things too, the difference is I like LIFT. If the evaluation system was fair and differentiated what is the problem?

How does a bonus foster competition when schools aren’t even the ones paying out the bonuses? Some of you are saying admins are told not to give too many out but I know this isn’t true, at least not at my school.

If we all have the ability to get a bonus in the future what is the issue? Are we all young children whose brains have not fully developed the skill so we cannot be happy for others? Even my students know when to celebrate each other’s success, while lifting themselves up. Is not getting something really that stressful for you or allowing others to get something you don’t want (for those who get HE but don’t accept)?


Instead of debating here, why don’t we ask what our union has been doing? We are negotiating on replying about the vaccine status but what about getting Dcps to show us the data on impact so we can get the ball rolling?
What about our pay increase?
An update on updating our contract??

All we hear over and over when we ask is ‘it’s in the works.’

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Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

NP but IMPACT does have a punishment though; you can have your salary frozen if you get below effective, which isn’t that hard to know. I’ve seen friends get stuck with a 2.99 bc their admin found a way to take points off for spurious reasons.

You know how I know that’s BS? Because they round up your score. I have received a 3.45 and it was rounded up to 3.5. You can email the Impact team and confirm this information. And I did not ask for them to round it up, it is automatic.

And that is not a punishment it’s a consequence, there is a difference.

You must have some great luck bc I have had had 3.47 and nothing so lucky you. Also good semantics attempt but by your logic then it’s also a consequence if you get the bonus. And yes I’m an RC teacher so I understand logical consequences; the difference with impact is I know no way that I can improve bc there is literally nobody who can tel you how to score higher on IVA. I know this because I have spoken with the impact team multiple times to ask for suggestions and more transparency and all they say is thank you for your feedback

I definitely don’t have luck, you just got cheated or are lying.I’d email the impact team ASAP or ask if they change the policy from I believe I got the score in 2017.

And it’s not semantics, you just don’t understand psychology. Getting a bonus is not a consequence it’s a reinforcer for you to continue doing what you’re doing. A consequence is a result or the direct effect of an action. A punishment is meant to hurt the person, not encourage self-examination or accept responsibility.

I am not saying impact is good so YES depending on the person impact could be a punishment. But we were talking about the idea of reinforcement (bonus) in the future with a modified or different evaluation system.


Again, NOT saying impact is good. I am saying a bonus is not inherently bad.

This is all semantics. I am at a school in Ward 5 (see the earlier post about how teachers at Wards 8 and 5 have the lowest percent of teachers who get HE. At my school, teachers never get HE, and most years, over half of teachers are developing. I've seen the stats. The principal uses IMPACT to keep people in line, and so yes, the step hold is a punishment for not doing what he wants.

Feelin like a broken record…. I’m not saying impact isn’t being used as a punishment, I am saying NOT getting a bonus is not a punishment. If we had a GOOD evaluation system and you didn’t get a bonus it’s not a punishment. I was replying to the person saying ALL bonuses and pay skips are bad. They are not.

I’m honestly puzzled what other teachers really want. You want a job that nurtures you, fosters, and pays for your growth. All while trying to elevate new teachers some who should not be working in the most difficult schools. You want to make sure none of us can lose our jobs ever, unless we’ve done something crazy?

That’s great, I want some of those things too, the difference is I like LIFT. If the evaluation system was fair and differentiated what is the problem?

How does a bonus foster competition when schools aren’t even the ones paying out the bonuses? Some of you are saying admins are told not to give too many out but I know this isn’t true, at least not at my school.

If we all have the ability to get a bonus in the future what is the issue? Are we all young children whose brains have not fully developed the skill so we cannot be happy for others? Even my students know when to celebrate each other’s success, while lifting themselves up. Is not getting something really that stressful for you or allowing others to get something you don’t want (for those who get HE but don’t accept)?


Instead of debating here, why don’t we ask what our union has been doing? We are negotiating on replying about the vaccine status but what about getting Dcps to show us the data on impact so we can get the ball rolling?
What about our pay increase?
An update on updating our contract??

All we hear over and over when we ask is ‘it’s in the works.’

There’s a whole subcommittee focused on trying to replace impact that’s been hard at it since winter. Stymied mostly by reopening stuff and a slow moving top of the chain over at HQ. If you want to help we’re always looking for different ideas and perspectives! I agree the WTU has done a bad job advertising it but if you look on the FB page for the union we can get you set up…doesn’t seem like this is the best place to give out contact info

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Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

NP but IMPACT does have a punishment though; you can have your salary frozen if you get below effective, which isn’t that hard to know. I’ve seen friends get stuck with a 2.99 bc their admin found a way to take points off for spurious reasons.

You know how I know that’s BS? Because they round up your score. I have received a 3.45 and it was rounded up to 3.5. You can email the Impact team and confirm this information. And I did not ask for them to round it up, it is automatic.

And that is not a punishment it’s a consequence, there is a difference.

Bull— they don’t round. My first year I was stuck with a 3.47.

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Anonymous wrote:IMPACT and rewards are simply disgusting. It's long established that 'rewards' are an ineffective way to motivate students. Why different for teachers? It's bad pedagogy in skill development.
Teachers should practice reflective teaching within professional learning communities, and be measured against the reasonable and wonderful goals they set, a reflective piece in which they themselves discuss the strides they made and areas where they still seek to improve, and projects they enact. individual PD could be tied to their goal setting. Buddying up with another teacher for safe, productive and honest feedback etc. This whole system is so top down it makes me ill. It's sole goal is compliancy--something I would never make the center of my classroom teaching.

Actually reinforcement has long proven by behavioral psychology. What do you think a paycheck is?
And I don’t think impact is meant to develop a skill, it’s meant to reward teachers who already have the skills or professionally develop to have them.

You know an evaluation is used to measure where you are and then it’s YOUR job to get to a better place if you did badly on an evaluation. Teachers are adults or did someone hold your hand in college too?


What makes me sick is most teachers taking a 1.5 year break and still expect to be coddled. You can do all those things at your school and still be rewarded.
And oh? A 25k a year pay increase is definitely motivating to many people. Tired of teachers with this holier than thou attitude.

You are really behind on the times. Read "Punished by Rewards" and similar research on focusing on extrinsic motivation and how damaging it is to kids. Also, there are numerous recent studies on how clumsy and ineffective most topdown checklisty and formulaic workplace evaluations are. Not sure why IMPACt would be the exception. Read up!

You can just read about behavioral psychology. Some people do not have intrinsic motivation or do you assume all people are the same?
Also rewards do not have to have punishments. And I also called it reinforcement not a reward. If person A does x and gets something they like they’ll likely keep doing it.
Just like I am a teacher because I like kids and teaching, I deal with impact because I like the things money can buy. Simple.

And why tf are you talking about kids rn, are you one?


You also seem to think I’d like to keep impact, I like the reinforcement it gives me to continue dealing with it. Just like someone who hates their job continues for the paycheck.

Regardless impact could be leaving but I highly doubt the reward system will, most teachers do like that. Especially new teachers which we have a TON of. So I 100% think they’ll keep LIFT. And despite what you think teachers do need an evaluation tool that allows them to be fired after a certain amount of time of being poor at their jobs.

NP but IMPACT does have a punishment though; you can have your salary frozen if you get below effective, which isn’t that hard to know. I’ve seen friends get stuck with a 2.99 bc their admin found a way to take points off for spurious reasons.

You know how I know that’s BS? Because they round up your score. I have received a 3.45 and it was rounded up to 3.5. You can email the Impact team and confirm this information. And I did not ask for them to round it up, it is automatic.

And that is not a punishment it’s a consequence, there is a difference.

Am I understanding correctly that your 3.45 rounded up to a 3.5 and HE? I scored a 3.48 three years ago and my score was not rounded up. I didn't know that was a possibility. Does anyone know if this is true because if so I would love to email and find out.

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But you all hate bonuses and LIFT so who cares if your scores weren’t rounded up? LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:But you all hate bonuses and LIFT so who cares if your scores weren’t rounded up? LOL.

We were just rebutting your obviously incorrect info. Your round up was the exception rather than norm.

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Anonymous wrote:But you all hate bonuses and LIFT so who cares if your scores weren’t rounded up? LOL.

We were just rebutting your obviously incorrect info. Your round up was the exception rather than norm.

I guess me asking made them round up, I advocate not just for students but myself too. Close mouths don’t get fed and all that.

And you weren’t just rebutting, cause all of you were not 2.999, or anything close to HE. You commented because you were curious. I do apologize if I misled anyone, I really thought that was the norm as when I emailed the impact team back then they told me it was, I STILL have the email.

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Also whelp, at least we can all agree impact sucks and our next evaluation system if it has lift and a bonus, we need clear language about rounding up.

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DCPS parent here. I feel for you teachers. The grading system is ridiculous. And good luck getting recognition for your success if you're white.