Skinny is the new moral/hard working and all other kind of superiority?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you think when you see this?

Childhood abuse .. high cortisol issues

laziness plus poor mental health.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Being skinny is like being rich. Some people are born that way. Some people work really hard to achieve it.

Being average or overweight is no more moral failing than being poor is. Sure some poor people got that way through poor choices, but probably not all or even most of them. Sure some fat people made bad choices and make too many excuses - but most people are just working against their genes and environment.

Agree totally and I've been thin and I've been fat.

DP. And the skinny-rich connection relates to the poor-fat connection too, which is to say that staying fit requires both discipline and time. The more stressors you have in your life, the more difficult it is to make the right choices and stay disciplined. Sleep is a huge factor in health and healthy eating, as I can unfortunately attest as a person who gained weight in middle age in large part due to chronic sleep deprivation. As a young person, I worked hard at staying thin and fit, but that involved nightly workouts and restricted food consumption, plus the luxury of being only responsible for myself. Things like flexible jobs, household help, extra time to shop for and cook from fresh ingredients, even time for a daily nap and workout, make it easier to be disciplined. So many people are barely hanging on, using their discipline and energy to address other needs, which leaves little time things like shopping, cooking, and exercising.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you think when you see this?

Childhood abuse .. high cortisol issues

laziness plus poor mental health.

Wow, you guys very succinct made OP’s point for her. Well done.

[Anonymous]

Do you all not realize that many morbidly obese also have mental health issues as well? Eating is a coping mechanism for dealing with or not dealing with circumstances beyond their control (neglect, physical, sexual and emotional abuse).

In addition to learning about fueling their body with healthy food, being alert and present enough to seek out physical activity (depression is a hell of a bag to work through), successful weight loss often includes mental health appoints, therapy, addiction issues. Additionally poverty and lack of a stable food supply, even as a child who has transitioned to an adult with a stable food supply carries food issues in their life.

Back to the old born on third base saying. Many of you cannot even comprehend the lives other people have had to live. Choices they didn't make for themselves, sometimes starting at a very young age, before they can even express to a safe adult what is or has happened (younger than Kindergarten).

Being over weight isn't a moral failing. It isn't even always a discipline failing. It's so much more complex, and I encourage you to be kind to yourselves and them. Even if you are kind outwardly, be kind internally as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t believe in shaming anyone. But it’s a destructive myth that it’s somehow expensive to be thin. Eating half a sandwich is cheaper than eating a whole sandwich. Eating less will make you lose weight, whether you’re eating Cheetos or kale.

+1. DH and I used to split entrees or take away all the time. Saved money and kept us from overeating. Portion sizes are out of control here.

The occasional meal out doesn't cause obesity, regardless of whether you split it. The cheapest way to eat in this country is fast food - it's cheaper than groceries. If you have $5 for a meal you are not in splitting entrees territory. If you are working shifts or a delivery job, you are not eating at a place where that's an option nor do you have refrigeration to keep the rest of your meal.

There are plenty of overweight people on DCUM who have more money than that, but it is not a "destructive myth" that it's expensive to be thin. It's a well studied fact that impoverished people are overweight because of the food options available to them.

This isn’t true. You can get a container of rolled oats for $3.49. It makes 30 servings. The $3 sausage egg and cheese McMuffin is pretty tasty, but it isn’t cheaper. Oatmeal daily might be burning but it isn’t expensive, nor are many other real whole food options

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The saddest thing is when kids, teens and young people fat. This is their age to be very active, have a great metabolism, have friends, be interested in the opposite sex and have fun. Instead they are trapped in their bodies. A prison of their own making.

Or more likely a prison that was made by circumstances beyond their control.

[Anonymous]

Why does it bother you if people are obese? Like what are they doing to you personally by being that way? Do you not think that they wish they weren't? Or don't try? That losing weight AND keeping it off is much harder for some than others? Especially yo-yo dieters? If I see someone like the picture posted above, if anything, I feel sympathy and wish them healing on their journey because I know everyone is judging them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t believe in shaming anyone. But it’s a destructive myth that it’s somehow expensive to be thin. Eating half a sandwich is cheaper than eating a whole sandwich. Eating less will make you lose weight, whether you’re eating Cheetos or kale.

+1. DH and I used to split entrees or take away all the time. Saved money and kept us from overeating. Portion sizes are out of control here.

The occasional meal out doesn't cause obesity, regardless of whether you split it. The cheapest way to eat in this country is fast food - it's cheaper than groceries. If you have $5 for a meal you are not in splitting entrees territory. If you are working shifts or a delivery job, you are not eating at a place where that's an option nor do you have refrigeration to keep the rest of your meal.

There are plenty of overweight people on DCUM who have more money than that, but it is not a "destructive myth" that it's expensive to be thin. It's a well studied fact that impoverished people are overweight because of the food options available to them.

This isn’t true. You can get a container of rolled oats for $3.49. It makes 30 servings. The $3 sausage egg and cheese McMuffin is pretty tasty, but it isn’t cheaper. Oatmeal daily might be burning but it isn’t expensive, nor are many other real whole food options

Agreed. Making yourself a PBJ is also far cheaper than buying fast food for lunch.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you think when you see this?

Childhood abuse .. high cortisol issues

laziness plus poor mental health.

I see a patient who has disability. Someone who will need a lot of help from the airline and other passengers and thus is a burden in some ways. Other passengers will not want to have any interaction with this person and no one wants to sit with them or near them. This is a lonely person but people have made a determination about them with just one glance.

This is the reality of being fat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you think when you see this?

Childhood abuse .. high cortisol issues

laziness plus poor mental health.

Wow, you guys very succinct made OP’s point for her. Well done.

I challenge anyone not to form any kind of judgment when seeing obesity on this scale. But these are all reasonable suggestions for causes, including the critical mental health point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you all not realize that many morbidly obese also have mental health issues as well? Eating is a coping mechanism for dealing with or not dealing with circumstances beyond their control (neglect, physical, sexual and emotional abuse).

In addition to learning about fueling their body with healthy food, being alert and present enough to seek out physical activity (depression is a hell of a bag to work through), successful weight loss often includes mental health appoints, therapy, addiction issues. Additionally poverty and lack of a stable food supply, even as a child who has transitioned to an adult with a stable food supply carries food issues in their life.

Back to the old born on third base saying. Many of you cannot even comprehend the lives other people have had to live. Choices they didn't make for themselves, sometimes starting at a very young age, before they can even express to a safe adult what is or has happened (younger than Kindergarten).

Being over weight isn't a moral failing. It isn't even always a discipline failing. It's so much more complex, and I encourage you to be kind to yourselves and them. Even if you are kind outwardly, be kind internally as well.

+1000

And paradoxically shaming a fat person contributes to their poor mental health, which in turn contributes to them turning to food as a coping mechanism. It might not make sense, but it’s a reality that people who say “it’s not hard to lose weight, you are just lazy” are actually contributing to the problem of overeating.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The saddest thing is when kids, teens and young people fat. This is their age to be very active, have a great metabolism, have friends, be interested in the opposite sex and have fun. Instead they are trapped in their bodies. A prison of their own making.

Or more likely a prison that was made by circumstances beyond their control.

So you think there is zero role for personal responsibility in these cases?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you think when you see this?

Childhood abuse .. high cortisol issues

laziness plus poor mental health.

Wow, you guys very succinct made OP’s point for her. Well done.

I challenge anyone not to form any kind of judgment when seeing obesity on this scale. But these are all reasonable suggestions for causes, including the critical mental health point.

I would just think “that’s a big butt” end then feel awkward for thinking about somebody else’s butt.

[Anonymous]

America is a country where the poor people are obese. In other countries, poor people are very skinny and malnourished.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t believe in shaming anyone. But it’s a destructive myth that it’s somehow expensive to be thin. Eating half a sandwich is cheaper than eating a whole sandwich. Eating less will make you lose weight, whether you’re eating Cheetos or kale.

+1. DH and I used to split entrees or take away all the time. Saved money and kept us from overeating. Portion sizes are out of control here.

The occasional meal out doesn't cause obesity, regardless of whether you split it. The cheapest way to eat in this country is fast food - it's cheaper than groceries. If you have $5 for a meal you are not in splitting entrees territory. If you are working shifts or a delivery job, you are not eating at a place where that's an option nor do you have refrigeration to keep the rest of your meal.

There are plenty of overweight people on DCUM who have more money than that, but it is not a "destructive myth" that it's expensive to be thin. It's a well studied fact that impoverished people are overweight because of the food options available to them.

This isn’t true. You can get a container of rolled oats for $3.49. It makes 30 servings. The $3 sausage egg and cheese McMuffin is pretty tasty, but it isn’t cheaper. Oatmeal daily might be burning but it isn’t expensive, nor are many other real whole food options

Agreed. Making yourself a PBJ is also far cheaper than buying fast food for lunch.

Microwaving oatmeal and making a sandwich take about a minute. Also far less time than waiting in line for fast food. Same with grabbing a banana or an apple. So the $/time arguments simply don't hold up.