40% of math curriculum was skipped this year

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Anonymous wrote:It is so telling that simply saying that losing education has costs elicits these defensive and ridiculous responses.

Nah. Perhaps people with critical thinking skills are simply tired of listening to the same groups of parents whine about every single thing, skirt responsibility for being parents, and blaming the school system for every single thing in their lives.

I definitely don't believe that there's a direct line between skipping parts of the math curriculum this year and losing the (apparently) cut-throat global competition to be an Alpha rather than an Epsilon. However, since when is it a parental responsibility to teach your child math? Isn't that what we have educated/certified teachers, in schools, for? The parents' responsibility is to make sure the child goes to school; the school's responsibility is to teach math.

Ahem, pre pandemic, it was the parent's responsibility to make sure the math got learned. If your child never got a dud math teacher before, count yourself lucky. There was no time to wail that the teacher did a poor job and now my kid is struggling. You do what you have to to give them the math foundation they need to progress.

Sez you. What are schools for? What about parents who don't have math or math education skills - are they bad parents? Are their kids just out of luck?

It's a responsibility I take on, because I know they are going to need it. Other parents will do what they want. Those without the ability to access whether their kids need it are not bad parents who are willfully trying to harm their kids, but their kids may come out with a shaky foundation. That's been the state of public education for a few generations now.

That doesn't make it a parental responsibility. That makes it something you feel like you need to do.

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Anonymous wrote:At the elementary level, the things omitted parents could easily teach their kids. The woman they had on the news was whining that her first grader wouldn’t know the value of pennies, dimes, nickels, etc. we are in a global pandemic. Would it kill parents to teach their kids some of these basic life lessons on their own? (I say this as a parent)

Wouldn't be surprised if that parent didn't know the value of pennies, dimes, nickels, etc. herself.

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Anonymous wrote:It is so telling that simply saying that losing education has costs elicits these defensive and ridiculous responses.

Nah. Perhaps people with critical thinking skills are simply tired of listening to the same groups of parents whine about every single thing, skirt responsibility for being parents, and blaming the school system for every single thing in their lives.

I definitely don't believe that there's a direct line between skipping parts of the math curriculum this year and losing the (apparently) cut-throat global competition to be an Alpha rather than an Epsilon. However, since when is it a parental responsibility to teach your child math? Isn't that what we have educated/certified teachers, in schools, for? The parents' responsibility is to make sure the child goes to school; the school's responsibility is to teach math.

Ahem, pre pandemic, it was the parent's responsibility to make sure the math got learned. If your child never got a dud math teacher before, count yourself lucky. There was no time to wail that the teacher did a poor job and now my kid is struggling. You do what you have to to give them the math foundation they need to progress.

Sez you. What are schools for? What about parents who don't have math or math education skills - are they bad parents? Are their kids just out of luck?

Yes. Everyone knows this? It's much harder to raise kids when the parents themselves don't know how to read or write or do math, and those kids suffer for it. It's not their fault that they were born to that family. That's why we as a society need to help each other.

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Anonymous wrote:It is so telling that simply saying that losing education has costs elicits these defensive and ridiculous responses.

Nah. Perhaps people with critical thinking skills are simply tired of listening to the same groups of parents whine about every single thing, skirt responsibility for being parents, and blaming the school system for every single thing in their lives.

I definitely don't believe that there's a direct line between skipping parts of the math curriculum this year and losing the (apparently) cut-throat global competition to be an Alpha rather than an Epsilon. However, since when is it a parental responsibility to teach your child math? Isn't that what we have educated/certified teachers, in schools, for? The parents' responsibility is to make sure the child goes to school; the school's responsibility is to teach math.

Ahem, pre pandemic, it was the parent's responsibility to make sure the math got learned. If your child never got a dud math teacher before, count yourself lucky. There was no time to wail that the teacher did a poor job and now my kid is struggling. You do what you have to to give them the math foundation they need to progress.

Sez you. What are schools for? What about parents who don't have math or math education skills - are they bad parents? Are their kids just out of luck?

It's a responsibility I take on, because I know they are going to need it. Other parents will do what they want. Those without the ability to access whether their kids need it are not bad parents who are willfully trying to harm their kids, but their kids may come out with a shaky foundation. That's been the state of public education for a few generations now.

That doesn't make it a parental responsibility. That makes it something you feel like you need to do.

Yes, you are right. I am required to feed and provide shelter and care for my kids. The law also requires that I make them attend school or homeschool until they are 18. Anything else I do is extra.

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Anonymous wrote:Dare I ask what CRT is?

This kind of racist garbage: https://twitter.com/marya_hay/status/1230546821346471939?s=20

Hey! You're back with your obsession over this tweet.

DP

Because people should be outraged by this nonsense. And it deserves more publicity.

Why does it bother you that the PP posts it?

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Not everyone is going to college for gender studies. Kids doing STEM actually need math. And I hate to have to tell you this, but the best of the best in MoCo aren't competing with the dregs of MoCo. They are competing with the best of the best around the globe. And most of those kids had a full school year.

Specifically, they need to have taken the classes and gotten good grades.

Also, the "dregs of MoCo" stock your grocery shelves, cook and serve your food at restaurants, fix your plumbing, and care for your children and elderly relatives - which likely provides a lot more value to society than whatever you do. Plus, given your attitude, they probably spit in your coffee.

Thank you for helping make my poijnt. The people doing all of those things you listed need math even less than someone studying victimology in college.

Was your point is that you have contempt for a lot of your fellow human beings?

No, that equity is holding back some kids who really need math for advanced careers because the kids who are going to be janitors can't do math which is ridiculous and detrimental to society.

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Not everyone is going to college for gender studies. Kids doing STEM actually need math. And I hate to have to tell you this, but the best of the best in MoCo aren't competing with the dregs of MoCo. They are competing with the best of the best around the globe. And most of those kids had a full school year.

Specifically, they need to have taken the classes and gotten good grades.

Also, the "dregs of MoCo" stock your grocery shelves, cook and serve your food at restaurants, fix your plumbing, and care for your children and elderly relatives - which likely provides a lot more value to society than whatever you do. Plus, given your attitude, they probably spit in your coffee.

Thank you for helping make my poijnt. The people doing all of those things you listed need math even less than someone studying victimology in college.

Was your point is that you have contempt for a lot of your fellow human beings?

No, that equity is holding back some kids who really need math for advanced careers because the kids who are going to be janitors can't do math which is ridiculous and detrimental to society.

Another person who thinks that "Brave New World" is a good plan for society, not a dystopian novel.^^^

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Anonymous wrote:It is so telling that simply saying that losing education has costs elicits these defensive and ridiculous responses.

Nah. Perhaps people with critical thinking skills are simply tired of listening to the same groups of parents whine about every single thing, skirt responsibility for being parents, and blaming the school system for every single thing in their lives.

I definitely don't believe that there's a direct line between skipping parts of the math curriculum this year and losing the (apparently) cut-throat global competition to be an Alpha rather than an Epsilon. However, since when is it a parental responsibility to teach your child math? Isn't that what we have educated/certified teachers, in schools, for? The parents' responsibility is to make sure the child goes to school; the school's responsibility is to teach math.

Ahem, pre pandemic, it was the parent's responsibility to make sure the math got learned. If your child never got a dud math teacher before, count yourself lucky. There was no time to wail that the teacher did a poor job and now my kid is struggling. You do what you have to to give them the math foundation they need to progress.

Sez you. What are schools for? What about parents who don't have math or math education skills - are they bad parents? Are their kids just out of luck?

I know my kids were out of luck after I stopped being able to help them with math in about 6th grade! Thank goodness for Khan Academy!

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Anonymous wrote:Quiet a few take calculus my calculus and ap stat in senior year

Then, they are already “ahead”. Hard to declare there’s learning loss in courses that the majority of students will never take in HS or college.

NO. there is "learning loss" if the curriculum that was planned to be covered by end of school year, and has been in previous years, was not able to be fully covered, especially if 40 percent was not covered. These kids who are taking the class should get the full curriculum just as a less able learner should, if they are in Geometry in Junior year for example.
How can one accurately say they took the class if they only covered a bit more than half of the content?!

Newsflash: this isn’t a normal school year.

Learning loss is real and has costs. A child that would have gotten a full year of calculus is worse off than she otherwise would have been. Studies show this will impact their earnings long term. Education isn't there to make us feel good - it has real value.

I’m so tired of you acting like your child is going to fail for the rest of their life because they only got the majority of calculus taught to them during a global pandemic. Trust me, they’ll be fine unless they’ve inherited your negative hysteria.

Talk about being hysterical lol. didn't say they were going to "fail for the rest of their life" dumbass. I said they will have lower earnings, which is what happens to children whose education has been interrupted.

Why do you care to send your children to school if you literally think education is worthless and losing half a year makes no difference?

It's so sad people like you can only see in black and white. Just because I'm not frightened over the fact my kid got the majority of the math lessons they were supposed to do this year, all of a sudden, you automatically assume I think education is worthless? There's grey area. Only truly "dumbass" people see this in terms of absolutes. I'm also a reasonable human being who realizes we are in a unique situation here (global pandemic and all) and I'm not concerned with my child catching up on anything they might have missed. I actually checked the "omitted' content and it's either stuff they already have touched on or will be covered and reviewed again in other lessons. Most of the cut content wasn't crucial to mastery of the subject. Also, it's not sweat off my brow to help facilitate their learning and supplement. (Basic things parents should be doing in a normal year regardless of what school district they are in.) I have more faith in your kid catching up and earning what they are worth,more than it seems you do. Hope they have support elsewhere in their actual life.

All I said is there are costs to losing education. You projected all the rest of that drivel onto me, and call me hysterical. JFC. I'm sorry your children have such comically stupid parents.

So the person before you posted that being taught the majority of a calc class is hardly a loss of learning during a pandemic and you jumped all the way to "WHY DO SEND YOUR KIDS TO SCHOOL IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT EDUCATION" (a HUGE leap) and yet THEY are the "comically stupid ones"? You could really use an education about how to deal with conflicting opinions appropriately, or as some else pointed out-you lack critical thinking skills. You also jumped right to into being ultra defensive and acting like a child with name calling. Great example you're setting for your kids.

They said something hysterical, attributed it to me even though I said nothing of the sort, and called me hysterical. When you argue like that you deserve a rude response. Don't call people hysterical if you want a respectful conversation without name-calling. You reap what you sow DUMBASS.

Lol you’re truly embarrassing yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:It is so telling that simply saying that losing education has costs elicits these defensive and ridiculous responses.

Nah. Perhaps people with critical thinking skills are simply tired of listening to the same groups of parents whine about every single thing, skirt responsibility for being parents, and blaming the school system for every single thing in their lives.

I definitely don't believe that there's a direct line between skipping parts of the math curriculum this year and losing the (apparently) cut-throat global competition to be an Alpha rather than an Epsilon. However, since when is it a parental responsibility to teach your child math? Isn't that what we have educated/certified teachers, in schools, for? The parents' responsibility is to make sure the child goes to school; the school's responsibility is to teach math.

Ahem, pre pandemic, it was the parent's responsibility to make sure the math got learned. If your child never got a dud math teacher before, count yourself lucky. There was no time to wail that the teacher did a poor job and now my kid is struggling. You do what you have to to give them the math foundation they need to progress.

Sez you. What are schools for? What about parents who don't have math or math education skills - are they bad parents? Are their kids just out of luck?

It's a responsibility I take on, because I know they are going to need it. Other parents will do what they want. Those without the ability to access whether their kids need it are not bad parents who are willfully trying to harm their kids, but their kids may come out with a shaky foundation. That's been the state of public education for a few generations now.

That doesn't make it a parental responsibility. That makes it something you feel like you need to do.

Yes, you are right. I am required to feed and provide shelter and care for my kids. The law also requires that I make them attend school or homeschool until they are 18. Anything else I do is extra.

If you don’t think attributing and aiding in your child’s education is your responsibility, you really should not have had kids. Furthermore, it sounds like you think doing the bare minimum is being a good parent.

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Yes, you are right. I am required to feed and provide shelter and care for my kids. The law also requires that I make them attend school or homeschool until they are 18. Anything else I do is extra.

If you don’t think attributing and aiding in your child’s education is your responsibility, you really should not have had kids. Furthermore, it sounds like you think doing the bare minimum is being a good parent.

DP. That's the sending-to-school part of the PP's post.

Also, I never understand why people post "you shouldn't have had children" on DCUM, except maybe to make themselves feel better by scolding others. Whether or not a parent should have had a child, the fact is that the parent did have the child. The child is here, now. Unless you have a time machine that you can loan out?

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Anonymous wrote:Quiet a few take calculus my calculus and ap stat in senior year

Then, they are already “ahead”. Hard to declare there’s learning loss in courses that the majority of students will never take in HS or college.

NO. there is "learning loss" if the curriculum that was planned to be covered by end of school year, and has been in previous years, was not able to be fully covered, especially if 40 percent was not covered. These kids who are taking the class should get the full curriculum just as a less able learner should, if they are in Geometry in Junior year for example.
How can one accurately say they took the class if they only covered a bit more than half of the content?!

Newsflash: this isn’t a normal school year.

Learning loss is real and has costs. A child that would have gotten a full year of calculus is worse off than she otherwise would have been. Studies show this will impact their earnings long term. Education isn't there to make us feel good - it has real value.

I’m so tired of you acting like your child is going to fail for the rest of their life because they only got the majority of calculus taught to them during a global pandemic. Trust me, they’ll be fine unless they’ve inherited your negative hysteria.

Talk about being hysterical lol. didn't say they were going to "fail for the rest of their life" dumbass. I said they will have lower earnings, which is what happens to children whose education has been interrupted.

Why do you care to send your children to school if you literally think education is worthless and losing half a year makes no difference?

It's so sad people like you can only see in black and white. Just because I'm not frightened over the fact my kid got the majority of the math lessons they were supposed to do this year, all of a sudden, you automatically assume I think education is worthless? There's grey area. Only truly "dumbass" people see this in terms of absolutes. I'm also a reasonable human being who realizes we are in a unique situation here (global pandemic and all) and I'm not concerned with my child catching up on anything they might have missed. I actually checked the "omitted' content and it's either stuff they already have touched on or will be covered and reviewed again in other lessons. Most of the cut content wasn't crucial to mastery of the subject. Also, it's not sweat off my brow to help facilitate their learning and supplement. (Basic things parents should be doing in a normal year regardless of what school district they are in.) I have more faith in your kid catching up and earning what they are worth,more than it seems you do. Hope they have support elsewhere in their actual life.

All I said is there are costs to losing education. You projected all the rest of that drivel onto me, and call me hysterical. JFC. I'm sorry your children have such comically stupid parents.

So the person before you posted that being taught the majority of a calc class is hardly a loss of learning during a pandemic and you jumped all the way to "WHY DO SEND YOUR KIDS TO SCHOOL IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT EDUCATION" (a HUGE leap) and yet THEY are the "comically stupid ones"? You could really use an education about how to deal with conflicting opinions appropriately, or as some else pointed out-you lack critical thinking skills. You also jumped right to into being ultra defensive and acting like a child with name calling. Great example you're setting for your kids.

They said something hysterical, attributed it to me even though I said nothing of the sort, and called me hysterical. When you argue like that you deserve a rude response. Don't call people hysterical if you want a respectful conversation without name-calling. You reap what you sow DUMBASS.

Lol you’re truly embarrassing yourself.

No you are, your response was unhinged. Why the all caps? GTFOOH.

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Anonymous wrote:Quiet a few take calculus my calculus and ap stat in senior year

Then, they are already “ahead”. Hard to declare there’s learning loss in courses that the majority of students will never take in HS or college.

NO. there is "learning loss" if the curriculum that was planned to be covered by end of school year, and has been in previous years, was not able to be fully covered, especially if 40 percent was not covered. These kids who are taking the class should get the full curriculum just as a less able learner should, if they are in Geometry in Junior year for example.
How can one accurately say they took the class if they only covered a bit more than half of the content?!

Newsflash: this isn’t a normal school year.

Learning loss is real and has costs. A child that would have gotten a full year of calculus is worse off than she otherwise would have been. Studies show this will impact their earnings long term. Education isn't there to make us feel good - it has real value.

I’m so tired of you acting like your child is going to fail for the rest of their life because they only got the majority of calculus taught to them during a global pandemic. Trust me, they’ll be fine unless they’ve inherited your negative hysteria.

Talk about being hysterical lol. didn't say they were going to "fail for the rest of their life" dumbass. I said they will have lower earnings, which is what happens to children whose education has been interrupted.

Why do you care to send your children to school if you literally think education is worthless and losing half a year makes no difference?

It's so sad people like you can only see in black and white. Just because I'm not frightened over the fact my kid got the majority of the math lessons they were supposed to do this year, all of a sudden, you automatically assume I think education is worthless? There's grey area. Only truly "dumbass" people see this in terms of absolutes. I'm also a reasonable human being who realizes we are in a unique situation here (global pandemic and all) and I'm not concerned with my child catching up on anything they might have missed. I actually checked the "omitted' content and it's either stuff they already have touched on or will be covered and reviewed again in other lessons. Most of the cut content wasn't crucial to mastery of the subject. Also, it's not sweat off my brow to help facilitate their learning and supplement. (Basic things parents should be doing in a normal year regardless of what school district they are in.) I have more faith in your kid catching up and earning what they are worth,more than it seems you do. Hope they have support elsewhere in their actual life.

All I said is there are costs to losing education. You projected all the rest of that drivel onto me, and call me hysterical. JFC. I'm sorry your children have such comically stupid parents.

DP.

Let me guess, PP who's not 'concerned" with her child catching up on anything they might have missed, your child is in elementary school and you're loaded so you'll buy said child a college degree from DumFuk U when time comes. Amiright?

Meanwhile, this country can always ship more neuroscientists/biologists/engineers from China/Russia/India.

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When this is the response to literally saying education has real value, you cannot expect a respectful discussion.

I’m so tired of you acting like your child is going to fail for the rest of their life because they only got the majority of calculus taught to them during a global pandemic. Trust me, they’ll be fine unless they’ve inherited your negative hysteria.

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Yes, you are right. I am required to feed and provide shelter and care for my kids. The law also requires that I make them attend school or homeschool until they are 18. Anything else I do is extra.

If you don’t think attributing and aiding in your child’s education is your responsibility, you really should not have had kids. Furthermore, it sounds like you think doing the bare minimum is being a good parent.

DP. That's the sending-to-school part of the PP's post.

Also, I never understand why people post "you shouldn't have had children" on DCUM, except maybe to make themselves feel better by scolding others. Whether or not a parent should have had a child, the fact is that the parent did have the child. The child is here, now. Unless you have a time machine that you can loan out?

Not the pp, but I recognize this post. You are constantly posting this response. Are too many people telling you this or something? Why are you so invested in this?