s/o part-Asians applying to college

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is discrimination against Asians and whites that different?

Yes. Being White is a net-neutral to slightly negative factor.

Being Asian is a materially negative factor.

BTW, it seems that the only decisive hook for Asians with HYPS is to make an Olympic team (or win a medal!): Chloe Kim, Eileen Gu, Nathan Chen etc., are all at Princeton, Stanford and Yale respectively.

That's what it takes these days.

You understand right, that all elite schools have tons of Asian students, right? Those spots are just more competitive to land. But they are there and full.

Hey, it's possible that all 535 Asian students admitted to Harvard this year (27.2%) are on the Olympic team.

It is not SAD that all the people that would like to say they went to Harvard can't. These places would not be elite if they took all comers.

There have never been enough seats at highly selective institutions, so they get to choose from among the vying customers. It is not sad. There are hundreds of great colleges in America. People really need to acquire some perspective.

Being shut out of HYP is not SUFFERING or OPPRESSION.

It's not the only way, but it highlights that more is required of Asian Americans to get into these places. They can't just be the stereotypical Asian American grinder (as perceived unfairly by our society). They need national (or even international) level recognition like those three, or like Tommy Edman of the St. Louis Cardinals (Stanford), Matt Bowman (St Albans/Princeton) formerly of the Cardinals, to give some other examples.

I am an Asian American who went to an Ivy. My own additional hook was that I grew up in the rural South, and I wrote about it in my essays (I guess it was my own version of "Minari"). That worked back then, but I wonder if it would work now because it's not special enough.

Other Asian Americans reached the same conclusion and resorted to making big donations legally or unfortunately illegally (e.g., Varsity Blues and other such scandals).

It's just the sad situation we all live in.

[Anonymous]

It is not SAD that all the people that would like to say they went to Harvard can't. These places would not be elite if they took all comers.

There have never been enough seats at highly selective institutions, so they get to choose from among the vying customers. It is not sad. There are hundreds of great colleges in America. People really need to acquire some perspective.

Being shut out of HYP is not SUFFERING or OPPRESSION.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is not SAD that all the people that would like to say they went to Harvard can't. These places would not be elite if they took all comers.

There have never been enough seats at highly selective institutions, so they get to choose from among the vying customers. It is not sad. There are hundreds of great colleges in America. People really need to acquire some perspective.

Being shut out of HYP is not SUFFERING or OPPRESSION.

NP.. it's not just HYP. My kid isn't looking to apply to HYP, but as an Asian American, DC will have a harder time getting into many good univ. as a STEM major.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is not SAD that all the people that would like to say they went to Harvard can't. These places would not be elite if they took all comers.

There have never been enough seats at highly selective institutions, so they get to choose from among the vying customers. It is not sad. There are hundreds of great colleges in America. People really need to acquire some perspective.

Being shut out of HYP is not SUFFERING or OPPRESSION.

NP.. it's not just HYP. My kid isn't looking to apply to HYP, but as an Asian American, DC will have a harder time getting into many good univ. as a STEM major.

It is more difficult for everyone, there are more kids, more applicants than just a few years ago, and the more applicants, the harder it is to get in, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is not SAD that all the people that would like to say they went to Harvard can't. These places would not be elite if they took all comers.

There have never been enough seats at highly selective institutions, so they get to choose from among the vying customers. It is not sad. There are hundreds of great colleges in America. People really need to acquire some perspective.

Being shut out of HYP is not SUFFERING or OPPRESSION.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is not SAD that all the people that would like to say they went to Harvard can't. These places would not be elite if they took all comers.

There have never been enough seats at highly selective institutions, so they get to choose from among the vying customers. It is not sad. There are hundreds of great colleges in America. People really need to acquire some perspective.

Being shut out of HYP is not SUFFERING or OPPRESSION.

You sound belligerent and completely out-of-touch. No one is complaining about suffering or oppression. The fact is that Asian Americans are disadvantaged in the college admissions process. This is demonstrably true. If that bothers you or ruffles your feathers, I don't know what to tell you except maybe you might have some issues of your own?

[Anonymous]

Entities that accept federal funding should not choose to serve one person over another solely based on their skin color. Full stop.

If you don't agree with that, we have nothing left to say to each other.

-NP

[Anonymous]

NP
I'm curious, if anyone has the knowledge, if elite colleges in other parts of the world such as Canada or the EU also value representation of diversity (in ethnicity/ race/ SES/ first generation/ extra curricular activities) like colleges here, or are they mostly based on test scores and GPA when it comes to admissions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is discrimination against Asians and whites that different?

Yes. Being White is a net-neutral to slightly negative factor.

Being Asian is a materially negative factor.

BTW, it seems that the only decisive hook for Asians with HYPS is to make an Olympic team (or win a medal!): Chloe Kim, Eileen Gu, Nathan Chen etc., are all at Princeton, Stanford and Yale respectively.

That's what it takes these days.

You understand right, that all elite schools have tons of Asian students, right? Those spots are just more competitive to land. But they are there and full.

Hey, it's possible that all 535 Asian students admitted to Harvard this year (27.2%) are on the Olympic team.

Thank you for this reality check. It is sorely needed on this forum.

What "reality check" are you trying to imply is sorely needed?

That statistically, Asian Americans are over-represented at Harvard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Entities that accept federal funding should not choose to serve one person over another solely based on their skin color. Full stop.

If you don't agree with that, we have nothing left to say to each other.

-NP

No colleges base their acceptance on one criterion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is not SAD that all the people that would like to say they went to Harvard can't. These places would not be elite if they took all comers.

There have never been enough seats at highly selective institutions, so they get to choose from among the vying customers. It is not sad. There are hundreds of great colleges in America. People really need to acquire some perspective.

Being shut out of HYP is not SUFFERING or OPPRESSION.

You sound belligerent and completely out-of-touch. No one is complaining about suffering or oppression. The fact is that Asian Americans are disadvantaged in the college admissions process. This is demonstrably true. If that bothers you or ruffles your feathers, I don't know what to tell you except maybe you might have some issues of your own?

And at some schools they are advantaged. But they are invisible to you, because you can’t see beyond the most elite. You don’t even realize that, do you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is not SAD that all the people that would like to say they went to Harvard can't. These places would not be elite if they took all comers.

There have never been enough seats at highly selective institutions, so they get to choose from among the vying customers. It is not sad. There are hundreds of great colleges in America. People really need to acquire some perspective.

Being shut out of HYP is not SUFFERING or OPPRESSION.

NP.. it's not just HYP. My kid isn't looking to apply to HYP, but as an Asian American, DC will have a harder time getting into many good univ. as a STEM major.

Seriously, my kid IS 100% Asian and did just fine applying as Biology major.

You should really reconsider this issue. It is not the burden you think it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP
I'm curious, if anyone has the knowledge, if elite colleges in other parts of the world such as Canada or the EU also value representation of diversity (in ethnicity/ race/ SES/ first generation/ extra curricular activities) like colleges here, or are they mostly based on test scores and GPA when it comes to admissions?

I once attended a McGill orientation during an American Thanksgiving weekend, so the audience was mostly Americans. The said that admissions to the main faculties (Art, Science, etc.) do no consider legacy, race, extracurriculars, wealth, gender, letters of recommendation, or anything else besides high school grades and standardized test scores. If you are over the cutoff on those, you are accepted. Very straightforward.

This is not universal at all schools across Canada, but pretty typical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is not SAD that all the people that would like to say they went to Harvard can't. These places would not be elite if they took all comers.

There have never been enough seats at highly selective institutions, so they get to choose from among the vying customers. It is not sad. There are hundreds of great colleges in America. People really need to acquire some perspective.

Being shut out of HYP is not SUFFERING or OPPRESSION.

NP.. it's not just HYP. My kid isn't looking to apply to HYP, but as an Asian American, DC will have a harder time getting into many good univ. as a STEM major.

It is more difficult for everyone, there are more kids, more applicants than just a few years ago, and the more applicants, the harder it is to get in, right?

Yes, but it's even more difficult for an Asian American male to get into a good CS program. And yes I know why.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is not SAD that all the people that would like to say they went to Harvard can't. These places would not be elite if they took all comers.

There have never been enough seats at highly selective institutions, so they get to choose from among the vying customers. It is not sad. There are hundreds of great colleges in America. People really need to acquire some perspective.

Being shut out of HYP is not SUFFERING or OPPRESSION.

NP.. it's not just HYP. My kid isn't looking to apply to HYP, but as an Asian American, DC will have a harder time getting into many good univ. as a STEM major.

Seriously, my kid IS 100% Asian and did just fine applying as Biology major.

You should really reconsider this issue. It is not the burden you think it is.

sure, but my kid doesn't like bio. He likes CS. And that is a burden.