s/o part-Asians applying to college

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Anonymous wrote:Is discrimination against Asians and whites that different?

Yes. Being White is a net-neutral to slightly negative factor.

Being Asian is a materially negative factor.

BTW, it seems that the only decisive hook for Asians with HYPS is to make an Olympic team (or win a medal!): Chloe Kim, Eileen Gu, Nathan Chen etc., are all at Princeton, Stanford and Yale respectively.

That's what it takes these days.

You understand right, that all elite schools have tons of Asian students, right? Those spots are just more competitive to land. But they are there and full.

The Asian applicant tend to be interested in STEM, and there are only a limited number of STEM spots available. They are essentially competing with other Asians.[/quote

How come you are not called racist or being stereotypical when you say "Asian applicants tend to be interested in STEM." But someone who says some Asian parents pressure their kids about grades is?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DD is half white half Asian (with an Asian last name). She checked both boxes. She plans to major in English. We joke that being an Asian English major is what provides her diversity. Anyway, she got a bunch of waitlists from schools in the DMV and north of us (surprise, surprise) but got three good acceptances from schools in the south. She’s up for the warmer weather, and she got a nice scholarship. It wasn’t the typical AAP to UVA path that we’d envisioned, but she’s very happy with this result. So maybe your DC can consider adding a few schools to the mix that might be trying to increase diversity including their Asian population?

NP here. Child with similar background. Do you worry about your child going to college in the South? Or maybe it varies according to WHERE in the South? I am seriously wrestling with this issue. My child is younger and about a year from applications so I welcome the input. I am a native of the DC metropolitan area but I have a sister who now lives in [insert Southern city, state] which is apparently changing a lot with a ton of non-Southerners moving in but the things she talks about [politics, no masks, non-diversity, Confederate flags, etc] all make me cringe and I would not want to live there in my own home as an adult much less as an 18yo in a communal living situation with other native Southern 18yos who have this as their only worldview. I am grateful for your thoughts. Thank you.

I am a NP, but share your concerns. Still, we did visit Davidson and liked it. My child wound up choosing a school in PA...but we discussed that had she gone in the South or Midwest, that would be a form of diversity which we value (making friends who grew up in a different part of the US, which has a somewhat different culture).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is discrimination against Asians and whites that different?

Yes. Being White is a net-neutral to slightly negative factor.

Being Asian is a materially negative factor.

BTW, it seems that the only decisive hook for Asians with HYPS is to make an Olympic team (or win a medal!): Chloe Kim, Eileen Gu, Nathan Chen etc., are all at Princeton, Stanford and Yale respectively.

That's what it takes these days.

You understand right, that all elite schools have tons of Asian students, right? Those spots are just more competitive to land. But they are there and full.

Hey, it's possible that all 535 Asian students admitted to Harvard this year (27.2%) are on the Olympic team.

Thank you for this reality check. It is sorely needed on this forum.

[Anonymous]

Yes, Asians-Americans are 5.7% of Americans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is discrimination against Asians and whites that different?

Yes. Being White is a net-neutral to slightly negative factor.

Being Asian is a materially negative factor.

BTW, it seems that the only decisive hook for Asians with HYPS is to make an Olympic team (or win a medal!): Chloe Kim, Eileen Gu, Nathan Chen etc., are all at Princeton, Stanford and Yale respectively.

That's what it takes these days.

You understand right, that all elite schools have tons of Asian students, right? Those spots are just more competitive to land. But they are there and full.

Hey, it's possible that all 535 Asian students admitted to Harvard this year (27.2%) are on the Olympic team.

It's not the only way, but it highlights that more is required of Asian Americans to get into these places. They can't just be the stereotypical Asian American grinder (as perceived unfairly by our society). They need national (or even international) level recognition like those three, or like Tommy Edman of the St. Louis Cardinals (Stanford), Matt Bowman (St Albans/Princeton) formerly of the Cardinals, to give some other examples.

I am an Asian American who went to an Ivy. My own additional hook was that I grew up in the rural South, and I wrote about it in my essays (I guess it was my own version of "Minari"). That worked back then, but I wonder if it would work now because it's not special enough.

Other Asian Americans reached the same conclusion and resorted to making big donations legally or unfortunately illegally (e.g., Varsity Blues and other such scandals).

It's just the sad situation we all live in.

[Anonymous]

You can’t control who you are and you can’t hide it so just own it. It is a disadvantage when applying to the top schools so have apply to a wide range of schools. Many Mid tier slacs and flagship public universities would not consider it a negative. Find a few your child will love. You need to cast a wide net.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is discrimination against Asians and whites that different?

Yes. Being White is a net-neutral to slightly negative factor.

Being Asian is a materially negative factor.

BTW, it seems that the only decisive hook for Asians with HYPS is to make an Olympic team (or win a medal!): Chloe Kim, Eileen Gu, Nathan Chen etc., are all at Princeton, Stanford and Yale respectively.

That's what it takes these days.

You understand right, that all elite schools have tons of Asian students, right? Those spots are just more competitive to land. But they are there and full.

Hey, it's possible that all 535 Asian students admitted to Harvard this year (27.2%) are on the Olympic team.

It's not the only way, but it highlights that more is required of Asian Americans to get into these places. They can't just be the stereotypical Asian American grinder (as perceived unfairly by our society). They need national (or even international) level recognition like those three, or like Tommy Edman of the St. Louis Cardinals (Stanford), Matt Bowman (St Albans/Princeton) formerly of the Cardinals, to give some other examples.

I am an Asian American who went to an Ivy. My own additional hook was that I grew up in the rural South, and I wrote about it in my essays (I guess it was my own version of "Minari"). That worked back then, but I wonder if it would work now because it's not special enough.

Other Asian Americans reached the same conclusion and resorted to making big donations legally or unfortunately illegally (e.g., Varsity Blues and other such scandals).

It's just the sad situation we all live in.

Speaking from recent experience with Asian American children, this is just not true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is discrimination against Asians and whites that different?

Yes. Being White is a net-neutral to slightly negative factor.

Being Asian is a materially negative factor.

BTW, it seems that the only decisive hook for Asians with HYPS is to make an Olympic team (or win a medal!): Chloe Kim, Eileen Gu, Nathan Chen etc., are all at Princeton, Stanford and Yale respectively.

That's what it takes these days.

You understand right, that all elite schools have tons of Asian students, right? Those spots are just more competitive to land. But they are there and full.

Hey, it's possible that all 535 Asian students admitted to Harvard this year (27.2%) are on the Olympic team.

Thank you for this reality check. It is sorely needed on this forum.

What "reality check" are you trying to imply is sorely needed?

[Anonymous]

Colleges are trying to build a class kind of like a football team build its team.

You can just have all defensive or offensive players - so if a team needs a receiver, they will draft one possibly by passing a higher rated QB.

Why are females required to have higher stats than males at a lot of colleges.......because they don't want to have a class of 70% female and 30% male!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Colleges are trying to build a class kind of like a football team build its team.

You can just have all defensive or offensive players - so if a team needs a receiver, they will draft one possibly by passing a higher rated QB.

Why are females required to have higher stats than males at a lot of colleges.......because they don't want to have a class of 70% female and 30% male!

So you're actually helping to illustrated how there is, indeed, an Asian quota, and that Asians are at a material disadvantage in the college admissions process. Thank you.

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Question: My children are part Asian, part white European. They have a passport from my European country as well as their American passport, since they were born in the US. They have very little cultural connection to their Asian heritage, have never been exposed to the language, but they DO have an Asian last name, because their father is Asian. First names are from their European country, we speak the language at home, have friends from that country, visit the home country often - the cultural connection is there. They will also take the AP in that European language, which will be really easy for them.

Do they check the Asian box?
Do they expand, in one of their essays, on their European identity?
What else can they do to ward off discrimination against Asians?

Thank you.

Which European country?

Germany.

Germany has free to cheap good schools. Courses are taught in your English. Your children are fluent and EU citizens. They won't be discriminated against and can make it back to the US for graduate programs.

Came back to say "Courses are taught in English*". But to answer your question directly, there is no point hiding their heritage if it is clear from the application they are Asian. Just accept that they will be disadvantaged.

Have you ever lived in Germany? You are delusional if you think Asians are not discriminated against in Germany! Heck, Turkish people have been guest workers there for generations and not been given citizenship and are just starting to be accepted to German society.

Also, just be aware, the German college experience is very different (I’m not saying better or worse, just different) from the American one, so understand what it is about before committing. Yea, I went to college in Germany before you ask.

[Anonymous]

They can check whatever race they identify with. The key word is identify. If they identify as Black, they can check that box.

[Anonymous]

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Question: My children are part Asian, part white European. They have a passport from my European country as well as their American passport, since they were born in the US. They have very little cultural connection to their Asian heritage, have never been exposed to the language, but they DO have an Asian last name, because their father is Asian. First names are from their European country, we speak the language at home, have friends from that country, visit the home country often - the cultural connection is there. They will also take the AP in that European language, which will be really easy for them.

Do they check the Asian box?
Do they expand, in one of their essays, on their European identity?
What else can they do to ward off discrimination against Asians?

Thank you.

Which European country?

Germany.

Germany has free to cheap good schools. Courses are taught in your English. Your children are fluent and EU citizens. They won't be discriminated against and can make it back to the US for graduate programs.

Came back to say "Courses are taught in English*". But to answer your question directly, there is no point hiding their heritage if it is clear from the application they are Asian. Just accept that they will be disadvantaged.

Have you ever lived in Germany? You are delusional if you think Asians are not discriminated against in Germany! Heck, Turkish people have been guest workers there for generations and not been given citizenship and are just starting to be accepted to German society.

Also, just be aware, the German college experience is very different (I’m not saying better or worse, just different) from the American one, so understand what it is about before committing. Yea, I went to college in Germany before you ask.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They can check whatever race they identify with. The key word is identify. If they identify as Black, they can check that box.

You can’t lie n your college records and expect to get away with it, you dolt.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They can check whatever race they identify with. The key word is identify. If they identify as Black, they can check that box.

You can’t lie n your college records and expect to get away with it, you dolt.

Rick Singer did. Before Varsity Blues, he had his students check Black. -NP