Equity in vaccine distribution

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Anonymous wrote:There's an article in the Post today about the states that are doing the best job of distributing the vaccine. The common denominator seems to be simplicity. Complicating the process by trying to refine prioritization, or racial equity, or whatever, slows down the process. Create broad categories: health care workers, people over 70, whatever; don't overthink it. Either create big vaccination sites (stadiums, convention centers) or use existing infrastructure (pharmacies) and get it going.
Everyone is better off if more people are vaccinated more quickly.

Yes, every new category of who gets priority and who doesn't slows down the process. Breaking it down to a granular level based on zip code is just another roadblock for people trying to figure if/how/when to get a vaccine.

DC should have set up large vaccination sites, like you said, and just had the DC National Guard provide vaccines wholesale. Instead, the government is lost in the weeds, and trying to fiddle with vaccination priority in real time.

All the appointments are being given out. All the shots are being used. There is no ROADBLOCK.

I am in favor of mass vaccine sites, but so far we aren't seeing them in this area. With a mere 9-10K shots per week to give out, there isn't a point to it in DC.

the more they give, the more they can request so it is reasonable to ask for this process to be both speedier and more transparent.

That is another falsehood. Vaccines are distributed on the basis of population.

According to the CDC web tracker, DC has been distributed about 159,000 vaccine so far and administered about 89,000. Does that sound efficient to you? 159, 000 is well on the way to a quarter of our adult population, if they got it into people's arms. Who has the responsibility for that? DC.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations

Second doses, einstein

Total doses administered: 85,000. Click on DC Einstein. It's in what would be the Atlantic, off to the side.

Correct. But the 159K includes 85K given and approx 60K held for second doses that haven't happened yet.

And none of these numbers justify your false assertion that DC would somehow get a larger allocation from the federal government if we gave our second doses out as first doses.

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Anonymous wrote:There's an article in the Post today about the states that are doing the best job of distributing the vaccine. The common denominator seems to be simplicity. Complicating the process by trying to refine prioritization, or racial equity, or whatever, slows down the process. Create broad categories: health care workers, people over 70, whatever; don't overthink it. Either create big vaccination sites (stadiums, convention centers) or use existing infrastructure (pharmacies) and get it going.
Everyone is better off if more people are vaccinated more quickly.

Yes, every new category of who gets priority and who doesn't slows down the process. Breaking it down to a granular level based on zip code is just another roadblock for people trying to figure if/how/when to get a vaccine.

DC should have set up large vaccination sites, like you said, and just had the DC National Guard provide vaccines wholesale. Instead, the government is lost in the weeds, and trying to fiddle with vaccination priority in real time.

All the appointments are being given out. All the shots are being used. There is no ROADBLOCK.

I am in favor of mass vaccine sites, but so far we aren't seeing them in this area. With a mere 9-10K shots per week to give out, there isn't a point to it in DC.

the more they give, the more they can request so it is reasonable to ask for this process to be both speedier and more transparent.

That is another falsehood. Vaccines are distributed on the basis of population.

According to the CDC web tracker, DC has been distributed about 159,000 vaccine so far and administered about 89,000. Does that sound efficient to you? 159, 000 is well on the way to a quarter of our adult population, if they got it into people's arms. Who has the responsibility for that? DC.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations

Second doses, einstein

Total doses administered: 85,000. Click on DC Einstein. It's in what would be the Atlantic, off to the side.

Correct. But the 159K includes 85K given and approx 60K held for second doses that haven't happened yet.

And none of these numbers justify your false assertion that DC would somehow get a larger allocation from the federal government if we gave our second doses out as first doses.

"Both the Biden and Trump administrations told states to empty their shelves and hold back nothing."

https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2021/are-states-holding-back-second-doses-of-covid-19-vaccines/

[Anonymous]

Let me get this straight, all of this fighting is because you are mad that DC allocates 1800 doses per week for undervaccinated zip codes?

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, all of this fighting is because you are mad that DC allocates 1800 doses per week for undervaccinated zip codes?

Wow, random comment.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, all of this fighting is because you are mad that DC allocates 1800 doses per week for undervaccinated zip codes?

Wow, random comment.

Have you been following?

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Anonymous wrote:MD, DC, and VA are not doing a good job getting shots in arms. This is what will stop the pandemic; not everything is about "equity". We are supply-constrained. When we are demand-constrained, let's worry about people who don't want the dang shots. Every rule meant to address an inequity or impose "fairness" will slow down vaccination rates and make it more likely that new variants will get a foothold, and we will *all* lose another summer / fall to Covid. West Virginia has the highest vax rate in the contiguous U.S. because they've kept it simple. This has been nothing but a bureaucratic mess since the start in the DMV, and every new special interest group has made it worse. All of these additional "setting aside" and "quotas" will hurt everyone.

Spoken like a true white supremacist. DC and VA are exceeding national vaccination averages. The only thing that's slowing us is the limited number of vaccines available. Targeting high risk populations HELP to end the pandemic, which HELPS ALL OF US. Giving extra doses to wealthy retirees in Ward 3 rather than poor folks in Ward 5 is literally the opposite of good public health policy.

This comment was mean and not necessary. In fact, starting with a statement like that totally discounts everything else that you say.

I don't care if you think it's mean. There are posters here who continue to lie and lie and lie to defend the indefensible.

Calling "white supremacist" on a post that was stating that complications reduce vaccination rates--as was literally reported in the WaPo this morning--indicates that you are not serious, and are only interested in ad hominem attacks. If you use these labels every time you don't agree with someone, you will not be taken seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, all of this fighting is because you are mad that DC allocates 1800 doses per week for undervaccinated zip codes?

I'd like to know where the doses that have not been administered are. That is part of equity in vaccine distribution. More doses administered = more protection for all. Is DC tracking that the variants have popped up in MD?

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Anonymous wrote:MD, DC, and VA are not doing a good job getting shots in arms. This is what will stop the pandemic; not everything is about "equity". We are supply-constrained. When we are demand-constrained, let's worry about people who don't want the dang shots. Every rule meant to address an inequity or impose "fairness" will slow down vaccination rates and make it more likely that new variants will get a foothold, and we will *all* lose another summer / fall to Covid. West Virginia has the highest vax rate in the contiguous U.S. because they've kept it simple. This has been nothing but a bureaucratic mess since the start in the DMV, and every new special interest group has made it worse. All of these additional "setting aside" and "quotas" will hurt everyone.

Spoken like a true white supremacist. DC and VA are exceeding national vaccination averages. The only thing that's slowing us is the limited number of vaccines available. Targeting high risk populations HELP to end the pandemic, which HELPS ALL OF US. Giving extra doses to wealthy retirees in Ward 3 rather than poor folks in Ward 5 is literally the opposite of good public health policy.

This comment was mean and not necessary. In fact, starting with a statement like that totally discounts everything else that you say.

I don't care if you think it's mean. There are posters here who continue to lie and lie and lie to defend the indefensible.

Calling "white supremacist" on a post that was stating that complications reduce vaccination rates--as was literally reported in the WaPo this morning--indicates that you are not serious, and are only interested in ad hominem attacks. If you use these labels every time you don't agree with someone, you will not be taken seriously.

You have provided no evidence that DC has reduced vaccination rates. In fact, DC is doing well by every vaccine tracker out there, better than nearly every other state. The proportion of vaccines distributed/administered is similar to every other state that is doing well.

So your justifications for doing away with DC's very modest set asides for underserved zip codes is ..... what exactly? Other than you want wealthy wards to get an even more disproportionate amount of vaccine?

[Anonymous]

Does anybody know why DC's used vs allocated vaccine dropped from 78% to 54% in the last couple of weeks?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MD, DC, and VA are not doing a good job getting shots in arms. This is what will stop the pandemic; not everything is about "equity". We are supply-constrained. When we are demand-constrained, let's worry about people who don't want the dang shots. Every rule meant to address an inequity or impose "fairness" will slow down vaccination rates and make it more likely that new variants will get a foothold, and we will *all* lose another summer / fall to Covid. West Virginia has the highest vax rate in the contiguous U.S. because they've kept it simple. This has been nothing but a bureaucratic mess since the start in the DMV, and every new special interest group has made it worse. All of these additional "setting aside" and "quotas" will hurt everyone.

Spoken like a true white supremacist. DC and VA are exceeding national vaccination averages. The only thing that's slowing us is the limited number of vaccines available. Targeting high risk populations HELP to end the pandemic, which HELPS ALL OF US. Giving extra doses to wealthy retirees in Ward 3 rather than poor folks in Ward 5 is literally the opposite of good public health policy.

This comment was mean and not necessary. In fact, starting with a statement like that totally discounts everything else that you say.

I don't care if you think it's mean. There are posters here who continue to lie and lie and lie to defend the indefensible.

Calling "white supremacist" on a post that was stating that complications reduce vaccination rates--as was literally reported in the WaPo this morning--indicates that you are not serious, and are only interested in ad hominem attacks. If you use these labels every time you don't agree with someone, you will not be taken seriously.

You have provided no evidence that DC has reduced vaccination rates. In fact, DC is doing well by every vaccine tracker out there, better than nearly every other state. The proportion of vaccines distributed/administered is similar to every other state that is doing well.

So your justifications for doing away with DC's very modest set asides for underserved zip codes is ..... what exactly? Other than you want wealthy wards to get an even more disproportionate amount of vaccine?

No one was underserved because it was a randomized sign up and there are plentiful sites in Ward 8. But I agree that Ward 8 ANC and Councilmembers should be manning sign-up kiosks, or just make the vaccine mandatory for Ward 8 and be done.
but no, DCs rate is not great. Among many other ways we are not doing great with vaccinations, we have administered 1/2 of what we have been distributed, despite being advised by Biden/Harris to distribute vaccine as we receive it. This puts us in line with...Florida's Republican Governor DeSantis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MD, DC, and VA are not doing a good job getting shots in arms. This is what will stop the pandemic; not everything is about "equity". We are supply-constrained. When we are demand-constrained, let's worry about people who don't want the dang shots. Every rule meant to address an inequity or impose "fairness" will slow down vaccination rates and make it more likely that new variants will get a foothold, and we will *all* lose another summer / fall to Covid. West Virginia has the highest vax rate in the contiguous U.S. because they've kept it simple. This has been nothing but a bureaucratic mess since the start in the DMV, and every new special interest group has made it worse. All of these additional "setting aside" and "quotas" will hurt everyone.

Spoken like a true white supremacist. DC and VA are exceeding national vaccination averages. The only thing that's slowing us is the limited number of vaccines available. Targeting high risk populations HELP to end the pandemic, which HELPS ALL OF US. Giving extra doses to wealthy retirees in Ward 3 rather than poor folks in Ward 5 is literally the opposite of good public health policy.

This comment was mean and not necessary. In fact, starting with a statement like that totally discounts everything else that you say.

I don't care if you think it's mean. There are posters here who continue to lie and lie and lie to defend the indefensible.

Calling "white supremacist" on a post that was stating that complications reduce vaccination rates--as was literally reported in the WaPo this morning--indicates that you are not serious, and are only interested in ad hominem attacks. If you use these labels every time you don't agree with someone, you will not be taken seriously.

You have provided no evidence that DC has reduced vaccination rates. In fact, DC is doing well by every vaccine tracker out there, better than nearly every other state. The proportion of vaccines distributed/administered is similar to every other state that is doing well.

So your justifications for doing away with DC's very modest set asides for underserved zip codes is ..... what exactly? Other than you want wealthy wards to get an even more disproportionate amount of vaccine?

No one was underserved because it was a randomized sign up and there are plentiful sites in Ward 8. But I agree that Ward 8 ANC and Councilmembers should be manning sign-up kiosks, or just make the vaccine mandatory for Ward 8 and be done.
but no, DCs rate is not great. Among many other ways we are not doing great with vaccinations, we have administered 1/2 of what we have been distributed, despite being advised by Biden/Harris to distribute vaccine as we receive it. This puts us in line with...Florida's Republican Governor DeSantis.

Oh, sure, making a vaccine that is approved only under emergency use mandatory for just Ward 8 is definitely not discriminatory and will surely calm the fears of people who still remember the Tuskegee syphilis experiment. Great idea, PP!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MD, DC, and VA are not doing a good job getting shots in arms. This is what will stop the pandemic; not everything is about "equity". We are supply-constrained. When we are demand-constrained, let's worry about people who don't want the dang shots. Every rule meant to address an inequity or impose "fairness" will slow down vaccination rates and make it more likely that new variants will get a foothold, and we will *all* lose another summer / fall to Covid. West Virginia has the highest vax rate in the contiguous U.S. because they've kept it simple. This has been nothing but a bureaucratic mess since the start in the DMV, and every new special interest group has made it worse. All of these additional "setting aside" and "quotas" will hurt everyone.

Spoken like a true white supremacist. DC and VA are exceeding national vaccination averages. The only thing that's slowing us is the limited number of vaccines available. Targeting high risk populations HELP to end the pandemic, which HELPS ALL OF US. Giving extra doses to wealthy retirees in Ward 3 rather than poor folks in Ward 5 is literally the opposite of good public health policy.

This comment was mean and not necessary. In fact, starting with a statement like that totally discounts everything else that you say.

I don't care if you think it's mean. There are posters here who continue to lie and lie and lie to defend the indefensible.

Calling "white supremacist" on a post that was stating that complications reduce vaccination rates--as was literally reported in the WaPo this morning--indicates that you are not serious, and are only interested in ad hominem attacks. If you use these labels every time you don't agree with someone, you will not be taken seriously.

You have provided no evidence that DC has reduced vaccination rates. In fact, DC is doing well by every vaccine tracker out there, better than nearly every other state. The proportion of vaccines distributed/administered is similar to every other state that is doing well.

So your justifications for doing away with DC's very modest set asides for underserved zip codes is ..... what exactly? Other than you want wealthy wards to get an even more disproportionate amount of vaccine?

No one was underserved because it was a randomized sign up and there are plentiful sites in Ward 8. But I agree that Ward 8 ANC and Councilmembers should be manning sign-up kiosks, or just make the vaccine mandatory for Ward 8 and be done.
but no, DCs rate is not great. Among many other ways we are not doing great with vaccinations, we have administered 1/2 of what we have been distributed, despite being advised by Biden/Harris to distribute vaccine as we receive it. This puts us in line with...Florida's Republican Governor DeSantis.

Before the set asides - 70 PERCENT of the appointments went to Wards 2, 3 and 6 - 38 percent of the elderly population.

If you don't call that inequitable, there is literally no hope for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anybody know why DC's used vs allocated vaccine dropped from 78% to 54% in the last couple of weeks?

I'm sure there are many reasons, but one possible reason is that, according to reporters, it takes a little while for new providers of the vaccination to learn the system used to show the vaccines have been distributed, so there is a lag there.

[Anonymous]

Well, it doesn't appear that with set-asides Ward 8'ers are rushing to get the vaccine.

BUT DONALD TRUMP! BUT MEAN WARD 3!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anybody know why DC's used vs allocated vaccine dropped from 78% to 54% in the last couple of weeks?

I'm sure there are many reasons, but one possible reason is that, according to reporters, it takes a little while for new providers of the vaccination to learn the system used to show the vaccines have been distributed, so there is a lag there.

How long has DC known a vaccine was coming?