Redshirting? Will there be more this year?

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Anonymous wrote:NP- virtual K is NOT appropriate since K is all about socializing, working together with other kids, hands on learning, multi-sensory learning. Im so upset that my K kid has virtual as his K experience. Im not redshirting bc he doesnt have any developmental need for it. But these K kids are totally getting screwed bc virtual learning is just not age appropriate for them.

Yes, it is if you let it be. You are a huge part of the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:We are homeschooling our K kid this year. FWIW we have one redshirted kid with a mid September birthday. We wouldn’t have held back any other child with a summer birthday, much less spring! That’s crazy! Our redshirter started K at age 5...

Mid-sept is not considered redshirting. In california, you must be 5 by the time you start K. Sept-Dec kids aren't even allowed in K if they aren't nearly 6.

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Anonymous wrote:Kinder is such great year normally. I would redshirt a June bday this year in a heartbeat. April or earlier, probably no. June? Absolutely.

Does anyone ever ask you how old you were when you graduated high school? College? It doesn’t matter at all. In the grand scheme of things, we are talking about a year difference. Do what is best for your kid.

How do you think a kid will feel being an 19-20 year old senior? Kids know who was held back.

I know a lot of 19 year old high school seniors. Redshirting is pretty common, you know. None are 20—even if they were redshirted once they’re only 19.

If I held my fall kid back, they would have been 18 all of senior year. If a spring kid is held back they turn 19... the is way to old for high school. If a parent held back last year, they would have started at 6 this year. If they choose to hold back again, they will be 7 when they start.

It’s truly okay. It happens everywhere. Not a huge deal. BUT now there is a global emergency, so if there is an unusual number of kids who are 19 as seniors, there will be a specific reason for it. I know three families redshirting. Stop making it a huge deal. If you don’t want to do it, then just don’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Kinder is such great year normally. I would redshirt a June bday this year in a heartbeat. April or earlier, probably no. June? Absolutely.

Does anyone ever ask you how old you were when you graduated high school? College? It doesn’t matter at all. In the grand scheme of things, we are talking about a year difference. Do what is best for your kid.

How do you think a kid will feel being an 19-20 year old senior? Kids know who was held back.

I know a lot of 19 year old high school seniors. Redshirting is pretty common, you know. None are 20—even if they were redshirted once they’re only 19.

If I held my fall kid back, they would have been 18 all of senior year. If a spring kid is held back they turn 19... the is way to old for high school. If a parent held back last year, they would have started at 6 this year. If they choose to hold back again, they will be 7 when they start.

It’s truly okay. It happens everywhere. Not a huge deal. BUT now there is a global emergency, so if there is an unusual number of kids who are 19 as seniors, there will be a specific reason for it. I know three families redshirting. Stop making it a huge deal. If you don’t want to do it, then just don’t.

Its absurd for many reasons including the most important social. You are dumbing down your kid to make them smarter and smarts has to do with IQ not age. It also impacts kids socially as the expectations for the younger kids becomes unreasonable as people expect them to be at the same rate as their peers who can be 1-2 years older them them so its not a real peer. It is really selfish to hold your child back as its easier to hold them back than teach them basics like reading.

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Anonymous wrote:Kinder is such great year normally. I would redshirt a June bday this year in a heartbeat. April or earlier, probably no. June? Absolutely.

Does anyone ever ask you how old you were when you graduated high school? College? It doesn’t matter at all. In the grand scheme of things, we are talking about a year difference. Do what is best for your kid.

How do you think a kid will feel being an 19-20 year old senior? Kids know who was held back.

I know a lot of 19 year old high school seniors. Redshirting is pretty common, you know. None are 20—even if they were redshirted once they’re only 19.

If I held my fall kid back, they would have been 18 all of senior year. If a spring kid is held back they turn 19... the is way to old for high school. If a parent held back last year, they would have started at 6 this year. If they choose to hold back again, they will be 7 when they start.

It’s truly okay. It happens everywhere. Not a huge deal. BUT now there is a global emergency, so if there is an unusual number of kids who are 19 as seniors, there will be a specific reason for it. I know three families redshirting. Stop making it a huge deal. If you don’t want to do it, then just don’t.

Its absurd for many reasons including the most important social. You are dumbing down your kid to make them smarter and smarts has to do with IQ not age. It also impacts kids socially as the expectations for the younger kids becomes unreasonable as people expect them to be at the same rate as their peers who can be 1-2 years older them them so its not a real peer. It is really selfish to hold your child back as its easier to hold them back than teach them basics like reading.

Actually, some kids are academically ready and socially not, so parents hold them back so that they won’t always be socially behind.
And other times it’s the opposite - socially ready and academically not.

Also, read up a bit on IQ. The way you are using the term is the way we thought about IQ 40 years ago. Our intelligence is malleable, not fixed.

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Anonymous wrote:Kinder is such great year normally. I would redshirt a June bday this year in a heartbeat. April or earlier, probably no. June? Absolutely.

Does anyone ever ask you how old you were when you graduated high school? College? It doesn’t matter at all. In the grand scheme of things, we are talking about a year difference. Do what is best for your kid.

How do you think a kid will feel being an 19-20 year old senior? Kids know who was held back.

I know a lot of 19 year old high school seniors. Redshirting is pretty common, you know. None are 20—even if they were redshirted once they’re only 19.

If I held my fall kid back, they would have been 18 all of senior year. If a spring kid is held back they turn 19... the is way to old for high school. If a parent held back last year, they would have started at 6 this year. If they choose to hold back again, they will be 7 when they start.

It’s truly okay. It happens everywhere. Not a huge deal. BUT now there is a global emergency, so if there is an unusual number of kids who are 19 as seniors, there will be a specific reason for it. I know three families redshirting. Stop making it a huge deal. If you don’t want to do it, then just don’t.

Its absurd for many reasons including the most important social. You are dumbing down your kid to make them smarter and smarts has to do with IQ not age. It also impacts kids socially as the expectations for the younger kids becomes unreasonable as people expect them to be at the same rate as their peers who can be 1-2 years older them them so its not a real peer. It is really selfish to hold your child back as its easier to hold them back than teach them basics like reading.

Actually, some kids are academically ready and socially not, so parents hold them back so that they won’t always be socially behind.
And other times it’s the opposite - socially ready and academically not.

Also, read up a bit on IQ. The way you are using the term is the way we thought about IQ 40 years ago. Our intelligence is malleable, not fixed.

Its K. No kid would be truly ready except those whose parents and preschools prepared them. It takes parenting. If a child is that behind they should be evaluated and in services. Just ignoring it and holding a child back doesn't fix things.

Holding back does not make your kid smarter, just older. You can think it does, go for it. Your kid will be teased for you holding them back.

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Anonymous wrote:Kinder is such great year normally. I would redshirt a June bday this year in a heartbeat. April or earlier, probably no. June? Absolutely.

Does anyone ever ask you how old you were when you graduated high school? College? It doesn’t matter at all. In the grand scheme of things, we are talking about a year difference. Do what is best for your kid.

How do you think a kid will feel being an 19-20 year old senior? Kids know who was held back.

I know a lot of 19 year old high school seniors. Redshirting is pretty common, you know. None are 20—even if they were redshirted once they’re only 19.

If I held my fall kid back, they would have been 18 all of senior year. If a spring kid is held back they turn 19... the is way to old for high school. If a parent held back last year, they would have started at 6 this year. If they choose to hold back again, they will be 7 when they start.

It’s truly okay. It happens everywhere. Not a huge deal. BUT now there is a global emergency, so if there is an unusual number of kids who are 19 as seniors, there will be a specific reason for it. I know three families redshirting. Stop making it a huge deal. If you don’t want to do it, then just don’t.

Its absurd for many reasons including the most important social. You are dumbing down your kid to make them smarter and smarts has to do with IQ not age. It also impacts kids socially as the expectations for the younger kids becomes unreasonable as people expect them to be at the same rate as their peers who can be 1-2 years older them them so its not a real peer. It is really selfish to hold your child back as its easier to hold them back than teach them basics like reading.

Actually, some kids are academically ready and socially not, so parents hold them back so that they won’t always be socially behind.
And other times it’s the opposite - socially ready and academically not.

Also, read up a bit on IQ. The way you are using the term is the way we thought about IQ 40 years ago. Our intelligence is malleable, not fixed.

Its K. No kid would be truly ready except those whose parents and preschools prepared them. It takes parenting. If a child is that behind they should be evaluated and in services. Just ignoring it and holding a child back doesn't fix things.

Holding back does not make your kid smarter, just older. You can think it does, go for it. Your kid will be teased for you holding them back.

I don’t know why you’re trying to scare people, unless you’re crazy “natural law” lady from the other redshirting thread. But this just isn’t true. Kids really don’t care exactly when their classmates’ birthday is. In our actual experience, not crazy speculation, it is a nonissue. Overwhelmingly, those who redshirt are glad they did so. Which doesn’t mean it’s the only right choice - but it is not a wrong one.

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Anonymous wrote:Kinder is such great year normally. I would redshirt a June bday this year in a heartbeat. April or earlier, probably no. June? Absolutely.

Does anyone ever ask you how old you were when you graduated high school? College? It doesn’t matter at all. In the grand scheme of things, we are talking about a year difference. Do what is best for your kid.

How do you think a kid will feel being an 19-20 year old senior? Kids know who was held back.

I know a lot of 19 year old high school seniors. Redshirting is pretty common, you know. None are 20—even if they were redshirted once they’re only 19.

If I held my fall kid back, they would have been 18 all of senior year. If a spring kid is held back they turn 19... the is way to old for high school. If a parent held back last year, they would have started at 6 this year. If they choose to hold back again, they will be 7 when they start.

It’s truly okay. It happens everywhere. Not a huge deal. BUT now there is a global emergency, so if there is an unusual number of kids who are 19 as seniors, there will be a specific reason for it. I know three families redshirting. Stop making it a huge deal. If you don’t want to do it, then just don’t.

Its absurd for many reasons including the most important social. You are dumbing down your kid to make them smarter and smarts has to do with IQ not age. It also impacts kids socially as the expectations for the younger kids becomes unreasonable as people expect them to be at the same rate as their peers who can be 1-2 years older them them so its not a real peer. It is really selfish to hold your child back as its easier to hold them back than teach them basics like reading.

Actually, some kids are academically ready and socially not, so parents hold them back so that they won’t always be socially behind.
And other times it’s the opposite - socially ready and academically not.

Also, read up a bit on IQ. The way you are using the term is the way we thought about IQ 40 years ago. Our intelligence is malleable, not fixed.

Its K. No kid would be truly ready except those whose parents and preschools prepared them. It takes parenting. If a child is that behind they should be evaluated and in services. Just ignoring it and holding a child back doesn't fix things.

Holding back does not make your kid smarter, just older. You can think it does, go for it. Your kid will be teased for you holding them back.

The thing is, to get services from FCPS (our district) is like pulling teeth. They didn't even let my child have AN EVALUATION! So, holding her back I am... without any guilty. I don't care how this may impact other children or if I am being selfish... I am doing what is best for MY child. That is my job after all.

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Anonymous wrote:Kinder is such great year normally. I would redshirt a June bday this year in a heartbeat. April or earlier, probably no. June? Absolutely.

Does anyone ever ask you how old you were when you graduated high school? College? It doesn’t matter at all. In the grand scheme of things, we are talking about a year difference. Do what is best for your kid.

How do you think a kid will feel being an 19-20 year old senior? Kids know who was held back.

I know a lot of 19 year old high school seniors. Redshirting is pretty common, you know. None are 20—even if they were redshirted once they’re only 19.

If I held my fall kid back, they would have been 18 all of senior year. If a spring kid is held back they turn 19... the is way to old for high school. If a parent held back last year, they would have started at 6 this year. If they choose to hold back again, they will be 7 when they start.

It’s truly okay. It happens everywhere. Not a huge deal. BUT now there is a global emergency, so if there is an unusual number of kids who are 19 as seniors, there will be a specific reason for it. I know three families redshirting. Stop making it a huge deal. If you don’t want to do it, then just don’t.

Its absurd for many reasons including the most important social. You are dumbing down your kid to make them smarter and smarts has to do with IQ not age. It also impacts kids socially as the expectations for the younger kids becomes unreasonable as people expect them to be at the same rate as their peers who can be 1-2 years older them them so its not a real peer. It is really selfish to hold your child back as its easier to hold them back than teach them basics like reading.

Actually, some kids are academically ready and socially not, so parents hold them back so that they won’t always be socially behind.
And other times it’s the opposite - socially ready and academically not.

Also, read up a bit on IQ. The way you are using the term is the way we thought about IQ 40 years ago. Our intelligence is malleable, not fixed.

Its K. No kid would be truly ready except those whose parents and preschools prepared them. It takes parenting. If a child is that behind they should be evaluated and in services. Just ignoring it and holding a child back doesn't fix things.

Holding back does not make your kid smarter, just older. You can think it does, go for it. Your kid will be teased for you holding them back.

The thing is, to get services from FCPS (our district) is like pulling teeth. They didn't even let my child have AN EVALUATION! So, holding her back I am... without any guilty. I don't care how this may impact other children or if I am being selfish... I am doing what is best for MY child. That is my job after all.

Then you get private services like the rest of us. Our school district gave us the run around and we gave up. But, that didn't stop me from getting evaluated and therapies. If your child is struggling that much, you need to do a private evaluation and therapies or you are selfish. Ignoring the issue for a year isn't going to make it go away.

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Anonymous wrote:Kinder is such great year normally. I would redshirt a June bday this year in a heartbeat. April or earlier, probably no. June? Absolutely.

Does anyone ever ask you how old you were when you graduated high school? College? It doesn’t matter at all. In the grand scheme of things, we are talking about a year difference. Do what is best for your kid.

How do you think a kid will feel being an 19-20 year old senior? Kids know who was held back.

I know a lot of 19 year old high school seniors. Redshirting is pretty common, you know. None are 20—even if they were redshirted once they’re only 19.

If I held my fall kid back, they would have been 18 all of senior year. If a spring kid is held back they turn 19... the is way to old for high school. If a parent held back last year, they would have started at 6 this year. If they choose to hold back again, they will be 7 when they start.

It’s truly okay. It happens everywhere. Not a huge deal. BUT now there is a global emergency, so if there is an unusual number of kids who are 19 as seniors, there will be a specific reason for it. I know three families redshirting. Stop making it a huge deal. If you don’t want to do it, then just don’t.

Its absurd for many reasons including the most important social. You are dumbing down your kid to make them smarter and smarts has to do with IQ not age. It also impacts kids socially as the expectations for the younger kids becomes unreasonable as people expect them to be at the same rate as their peers who can be 1-2 years older them them so its not a real peer. It is really selfish to hold your child back as its easier to hold them back than teach them basics like reading.

Actually, some kids are academically ready and socially not, so parents hold them back so that they won’t always be socially behind.
And other times it’s the opposite - socially ready and academically not.

Also, read up a bit on IQ. The way you are using the term is the way we thought about IQ 40 years ago. Our intelligence is malleable, not fixed.

Its K. No kid would be truly ready except those whose parents and preschools prepared them. It takes parenting. If a child is that behind they should be evaluated and in services. Just ignoring it and holding a child back doesn't fix things.

Holding back does not make your kid smarter, just older. You can think it does, go for it. Your kid will be teased for you holding them back.

I don’t know why you’re trying to scare people, unless you’re crazy “natural law” lady from the other redshirting thread. But this just isn’t true. Kids really don’t care exactly when their classmates’ birthday is. In our actual experience, not crazy speculation, it is a nonissue. Overwhelmingly, those who redshirt are glad they did so. Which doesn’t mean it’s the only right choice - but it is not a wrong one.

Yes, it is true. Kids know each others birthdays and do comment. Don't kid yourself to think they don't. Most people who are glad are not very involved in their kids education or lives and holding back was more for the parents than the kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Kinder is such great year normally. I would redshirt a June bday this year in a heartbeat. April or earlier, probably no. June? Absolutely.

Does anyone ever ask you how old you were when you graduated high school? College? It doesn’t matter at all. In the grand scheme of things, we are talking about a year difference. Do what is best for your kid.

How do you think a kid will feel being an 19-20 year old senior? Kids know who was held back.

I know a lot of 19 year old high school seniors. Redshirting is pretty common, you know. None are 20—even if they were redshirted once they’re only 19.

If I held my fall kid back, they would have been 18 all of senior year. If a spring kid is held back they turn 19... the is way to old for high school. If a parent held back last year, they would have started at 6 this year. If they choose to hold back again, they will be 7 when they start.

It’s truly okay. It happens everywhere. Not a huge deal. BUT now there is a global emergency, so if there is an unusual number of kids who are 19 as seniors, there will be a specific reason for it. I know three families redshirting. Stop making it a huge deal. If you don’t want to do it, then just don’t.

Its absurd for many reasons including the most important social. You are dumbing down your kid to make them smarter and smarts has to do with IQ not age. It also impacts kids socially as the expectations for the younger kids becomes unreasonable as people expect them to be at the same rate as their peers who can be 1-2 years older them them so its not a real peer. It is really selfish to hold your child back as its easier to hold them back than teach them basics like reading.

Actually, some kids are academically ready and socially not, so parents hold them back so that they won’t always be socially behind.
And other times it’s the opposite - socially ready and academically not.

Also, read up a bit on IQ. The way you are using the term is the way we thought about IQ 40 years ago. Our intelligence is malleable, not fixed.

Its K. No kid would be truly ready except those whose parents and preschools prepared them. It takes parenting. If a child is that behind they should be evaluated and in services. Just ignoring it and holding a child back doesn't fix things.

Holding back does not make your kid smarter, just older. You can think it does, go for it. Your kid will be teased for you holding them back.

I don’t know why you’re trying to scare people, unless you’re crazy “natural law” lady from the other redshirting thread. But this just isn’t true. Kids really don’t care exactly when their classmates’ birthday is. In our actual experience, not crazy speculation, it is a nonissue. Overwhelmingly, those who redshirt are glad they did so. Which doesn’t mean it’s the only right choice - but it is not a wrong one.

Yes, it is true. Kids know each others birthdays and do comment. Don't kid yourself to think they don't. Most people who are glad are not very involved in their kids education or lives and holding back was more for the parents than the kids.

DP. I just asked my 17-year-old DS if he was ever teased or heard mean comments about being the oldest. He said no, never, and that kids didn't care. He wasn't intentionally redshirted but ended up being redshirted anyhow, so if there was bullying going on based on age, he would have encountered it.

There are a group of sociopathic anti-redshirt parents on DCUM who have bizarre bullying fantasies about other people's children. Be cautious in giving them much credence. They are disturbed.

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Anonymous wrote:That is insanely old and bizarre.

That was my initial thought as well. While virtual K does sound like a nightmare, and while I guess starting K at 6 and 3mo doesn’t sound odd, starting senior year at 18 and 3mo does.

They will be in K when they turn 7. Kids just need to know how to read and basic math. Most parents can teach that. Sounds like lazy parents.

My 5 year old just started a kindergarten. It’s amazing how slow the academics are. My kid can read and do simple math. I looked through her workbooks for the year and she can already do everything. While this would not be an issue in a regular classroom, kindergarten is about learning social skills, working with other kids and transitioning to a school environment—I’m feeling very conflicted about distance learning. However, redshirting would aggravate the problem, not help.

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Anonymous wrote:Kinder is such great year normally. I would redshirt a June bday this year in a heartbeat. April or earlier, probably no. June? Absolutely.

Does anyone ever ask you how old you were when you graduated high school? College? It doesn’t matter at all. In the grand scheme of things, we are talking about a year difference. Do what is best for your kid.

How do you think a kid will feel being an 19-20 year old senior? Kids know who was held back.

I know a lot of 19 year old high school seniors. Redshirting is pretty common, you know. None are 20—even if they were redshirted once they’re only 19.

If I held my fall kid back, they would have been 18 all of senior year. If a spring kid is held back they turn 19... the is way to old for high school. If a parent held back last year, they would have started at 6 this year. If they choose to hold back again, they will be 7 when they start.

You cannot choose to hold back 2x. That’s not how the regs are written.

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Anonymous wrote:We are homeschooling our K kid this year. FWIW we have one redshirted kid with a mid September birthday. We wouldn’t have held back any other child with a summer birthday, much less spring! That’s crazy! Our redshirter started K at age 5...

Mid-sept is not considered redshirting. In california, you must be 5 by the time you start K. Sept-Dec kids aren't even allowed in K if they aren't nearly 6.

Sept is redshirting in the DMV area.

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Anonymous wrote:We are homeschooling our K kid this year. FWIW we have one redshirted kid with a mid September birthday. We wouldn’t have held back any other child with a summer birthday, much less spring! That’s crazy! Our redshirter started K at age 5...

Mid-sept is not considered redshirting. In california, you must be 5 by the time you start K. Sept-Dec kids aren't even allowed in K if they aren't nearly 6.

Sept is redshirting in the DMV area.

Not in Maryland where the cutoff is 9/1, the September kids are naturally the oldest.