postal service warns it will not deliver mail-in ballots on time

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't undestand the outrage in this thread. The USPS normally take *days* to deliver mail. This is normal. Having ballot request cut-offs 4 days before the election will cause some of those ballots to not arrive back in time. This is simply a statement truth and facts, based on service level standards established in 2015 - under Obama.

The outrage is the removal of sorting machines, which cuts productivity because then our postal workers have to sort by hand, which takes longer. Days longer. So, instead of getting mail in 3-5 days, it take 7-30 days. When you are depending on the USPS for medication, the difference between 5 and 30 days could be life and death. When you are sending your rent check in, the difference between 5 and 30 days could mean late fees, hit to credit rating or even eviction proceedings. For small businesses, it is the difference between a happy customer and an irate customer?

Get it?

[Anonymous]

Is there another postal protest in kalorama tom?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't undestand the outrage in this thread. The USPS normally take *days* to deliver mail. This is normal. Having ballot request cut-offs 4 days before the election will cause some of those ballots to not arrive back in time. This is simply a statement truth and facts, based on service level standards established in 2015 - under Obama.

The outrage is the removal of sorting machines, which cuts productivity because then our postal workers have to sort by hand, which takes longer. Days longer. So, instead of getting mail in 3-5 days, it take 7-30 days. When you are depending on the USPS for medication, the difference between 5 and 30 days could be life and death. When you are sending your rent check in, the difference between 5 and 30 days could mean late fees, hit to credit rating or even eviction proceedings. For small businesses, it is the difference between a happy customer and an irate customer?

Get it?

Unlike the rest of you idiots, I worked for USPS for 15 years, supporting mail processing/sorting/delivery operations. The removal of sorting machines is long overdue, as most of them sit unused, taking up space that could be utilized for package sorting, and expensive maintenance for the parts and IT systems that keep them alive. The removal of these sorting machines is a realignment of USPS mail/package handling infrastructure to better align the organization with the future. This will *NOT* impact mail delivery service level - any opinion to the contrary are scaremongering not backed up by data. The remaining mail sorting machines have plenty of capacity to handle the current first-class mail volume. The fact that you are pointing to "medication" delays as a possible outcome shows you just how ignorant people like you are. When was the last time USPS delivered medicine in a first-class sortable envelope.

What a dumbass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't undestand the outrage in this thread. The USPS normally take *days* to deliver mail. This is normal. Having ballot request cut-offs 4 days before the election will cause some of those ballots to not arrive back in time. This is simply a statement truth and facts, based on service level standards established in 2015 - under Obama.

The outrage is the removal of sorting machines, which cuts productivity because then our postal workers have to sort by hand, which takes longer. Days longer. So, instead of getting mail in 3-5 days, it take 7-30 days. When you are depending on the USPS for medication, the difference between 5 and 30 days could be life and death. When you are sending your rent check in, the difference between 5 and 30 days could mean late fees, hit to credit rating or even eviction proceedings. For small businesses, it is the difference between a happy customer and an irate customer?

Get it?

Unlike the rest of you idiots, I worked for USPS for 15 years, supporting mail processing/sorting/delivery operations. The removal of sorting machines is long overdue, as most of them sit unused, taking up space that could be utilized for package sorting, and expensive maintenance for the parts and IT systems that keep them alive. The removal of these sorting machines is a realignment of USPS mail/package handling infrastructure to better align the organization with the future. This will *NOT* impact mail delivery service level - any opinion to the contrary are scaremongering not backed up by data. The remaining mail sorting machines have plenty of capacity to handle the current first-class mail volume. The fact that you are pointing to "medication" delays as a possible outcome shows you just how ignorant people like you are. When was the last time USPS delivered medicine in a first-class sortable envelope.

What a dumbass.

My aunt gets a monthly medication delivery via the USPS. She still hasn't recieved her July shipment and had to go to her pharmacy to get a temporary dosage. So whose the dumbass?

And when you say the sorting machine issue isn't an issue, exactly how is the mail being sorted, if not by machine? Because reports from your former co-workers suggest that they are doing it by hand now in places where the sorting machines have been removed, causing massive delays and piles of unsorted mail stacking up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't undestand the outrage in this thread. The USPS normally take *days* to deliver mail. This is normal. Having ballot request cut-offs 4 days before the election will cause some of those ballots to not arrive back in time. This is simply a statement truth and facts, based on service level standards established in 2015 - under Obama.

Mail has been slower since they eliminated overtime at the post office. Some days, the mail person doesn’t even show up. If they don’t have enough workers, they need to hire more. We need a working USPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Unlike the rest of you idiots, I worked for USPS for 15 years, supporting mail processing/sorting/delivery operations. The removal of sorting machines is long overdue, as most of them sit unused, taking up space that could be utilized for package sorting, and expensive maintenance for the parts and IT systems that keep them alive. The removal of these sorting machines is a realignment of USPS mail/package handling infrastructure to better align the organization with the future. This will *NOT* impact mail delivery service level - any opinion to the contrary are scaremongering not backed up by data. The remaining mail sorting machines have plenty of capacity to handle the current first-class mail volume. The fact that you are pointing to "medication" delays as a possible outcome shows you just how ignorant people like you are. When was the last time USPS delivered medicine in a first-class sortable envelope.

What a dumbass.

Donald trump already told us the bolded is his goal, and hundreds of thousands of people across the country are verifying that they have already been impacted.

[Anonymous]

My issue is "some mail will be left on the docks. Ballots won't be counted, even those that were mailed by the date requested."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't undestand the outrage in this thread. The USPS normally take *days* to deliver mail. This is normal. Having ballot request cut-offs 4 days before the election will cause some of those ballots to not arrive back in time. This is simply a statement truth and facts, based on service level standards established in 2015 - under Obama.

The outrage is the removal of sorting machines, which cuts productivity because then our postal workers have to sort by hand, which takes longer. Days longer. So, instead of getting mail in 3-5 days, it take 7-30 days. When you are depending on the USPS for medication, the difference between 5 and 30 days could be life and death. When you are sending your rent check in, the difference between 5 and 30 days could mean late fees, hit to credit rating or even eviction proceedings. For small businesses, it is the difference between a happy customer and an irate customer?

Get it?

This issue is really proving that brain density among trumpsters is such that it’s impervious to reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't undestand the outrage in this thread. The USPS normally take *days* to deliver mail. This is normal. Having ballot request cut-offs 4 days before the election will cause some of those ballots to not arrive back in time. This is simply a statement truth and facts, based on service level standards established in 2015 - under Obama.

The outrage is the removal of sorting machines, which cuts productivity because then our postal workers have to sort by hand, which takes longer. Days longer. So, instead of getting mail in 3-5 days, it take 7-30 days. When you are depending on the USPS for medication, the difference between 5 and 30 days could be life and death. When you are sending your rent check in, the difference between 5 and 30 days could mean late fees, hit to credit rating or even eviction proceedings. For small businesses, it is the difference between a happy customer and an irate customer?

Get it?

Unlike the rest of you idiots, I worked for USPS for 15 years, supporting mail processing/sorting/delivery operations. The removal of sorting machines is long overdue, as most of them sit unused, taking up space that could be utilized for package sorting, and expensive maintenance for the parts and IT systems that keep them alive. The removal of these sorting machines is a realignment of USPS mail/package handling infrastructure to better align the organization with the future. This will *NOT* impact mail delivery service level - any opinion to the contrary are scaremongering not backed up by data. The remaining mail sorting machines have plenty of capacity to handle the current first-class mail volume. The fact that you are pointing to "medication" delays as a possible outcome shows you just how ignorant people like you are. When was the last time USPS delivered medicine in a first-class sortable envelope.

What a dumbass.

So then Mr. Clavin, why aren't people receiving their medication? Where are the 2 very important pieces of mail that were sent to us 4 weeks ago? Why am I only getting mail delivery 4-5 days/week? Why are the 2 collection boxes (which used to be 3) at my neighborhood post office so stuffed with mail that you can't put anything else inside?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't undestand the outrage in this thread. The USPS normally take *days* to deliver mail. This is normal. Having ballot request cut-offs 4 days before the election will cause some of those ballots to not arrive back in time. This is simply a statement truth and facts, based on service level standards established in 2015 - under Obama.

The outrage is the removal of sorting machines, which cuts productivity because then our postal workers have to sort by hand, which takes longer. Days longer. So, instead of getting mail in 3-5 days, it take 7-30 days. When you are depending on the USPS for medication, the difference between 5 and 30 days could be life and death. When you are sending your rent check in, the difference between 5 and 30 days could mean late fees, hit to credit rating or even eviction proceedings. For small businesses, it is the difference between a happy customer and an irate customer?

Get it?

Unlike the rest of you idiots, I worked for USPS for 15 years, supporting mail processing/sorting/delivery operations. The removal of sorting machines is long overdue, as most of them sit unused, taking up space that could be utilized for package sorting, and expensive maintenance for the parts and IT systems that keep them alive. The removal of these sorting machines is a realignment of USPS mail/package handling infrastructure to better align the organization with the future. This will *NOT* impact mail delivery service level - any opinion to the contrary are scaremongering not backed up by data. The remaining mail sorting machines have plenty of capacity to handle the current first-class mail volume. The fact that you are pointing to "medication" delays as a possible outcome shows you just how ignorant people like you are. When was the last time USPS delivered medicine in a first-class sortable envelope.

What a dumbass.

So then Mr. Clavin, why aren't people receiving their medication? Where are the 2 very important pieces of mail that were sent to us 4 weeks ago? Why am I only getting mail delivery 4-5 days/week? Why are the 2 collection boxes (which used to be 3) at my neighborhood post office so stuffed with mail that you can't put anything else inside?

The amount of stupidity and unearned confidence in this thread is astounding. USPS has had lackluster package service compared to UPS and FedEX, with lower service performance, becaus their business has traditionally been aligned toward handling and delivery of flat mail, and not packages. Medication is shipped via package service, not flat mail. The sorting machines being removed are flat mail sorters, so that they can make room to improve package sorting. So if you want more reliable medication delivery from the USPS, you would applaud the removal of the under-utilized flat mail sorters.

Yet you guys are here crying about removal of the flat mail sorters.

Because you guys are dummbasses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't undestand the outrage in this thread. The USPS normally take *days* to deliver mail. This is normal. Having ballot request cut-offs 4 days before the election will cause some of those ballots to not arrive back in time. This is simply a statement truth and facts, based on service level standards established in 2015 - under Obama.

The outrage is the removal of sorting machines, which cuts productivity because then our postal workers have to sort by hand, which takes longer. Days longer. So, instead of getting mail in 3-5 days, it take 7-30 days. When you are depending on the USPS for medication, the difference between 5 and 30 days could be life and death. When you are sending your rent check in, the difference between 5 and 30 days could mean late fees, hit to credit rating or even eviction proceedings. For small businesses, it is the difference between a happy customer and an irate customer?

Get it?

Unlike the rest of you idiots, I worked for USPS for 15 years, supporting mail processing/sorting/delivery operations. The removal of sorting machines is long overdue, as most of them sit unused, taking up space that could be utilized for package sorting, and expensive maintenance for the parts and IT systems that keep them alive. The removal of these sorting machines is a realignment of USPS mail/package handling infrastructure to better align the organization with the future. This will *NOT* impact mail delivery service level - any opinion to the contrary are scaremongering not backed up by data. The remaining mail sorting machines have plenty of capacity to handle the current first-class mail volume. The fact that you are pointing to "medication" delays as a possible outcome shows you just how ignorant people like you are. When was the last time USPS delivered medicine in a first-class sortable envelope.

What a dumbass.

So then Mr. Clavin, why aren't people receiving their medication? Where are the 2 very important pieces of mail that were sent to us 4 weeks ago? Why am I only getting mail delivery 4-5 days/week? Why are the 2 collection boxes (which used to be 3) at my neighborhood post office so stuffed with mail t hat you can't put anything else inside?

The amount of stupidity and unearned confidence in this thread is astounding. USPS has had lackluster package service compared to UPS and FedEX, with lower service performance, becaus their business has traditionally been aligned toward handling and delivery of flat mail, and not packages. Medication is shipped via package service, not flat mail. The sorting machines being removed are flat mail sorters, so that they can make room to improve package sorting. So if you want more reliable medication delivery from the USPS, you would applaud the removal of the under-utilized flat mail sorters.

Yet you guys are here crying about removal of the flat mail sorters.

Because you guys are dummbasses.

If the USPS is so bad at package delivery then why so UPS, FedEx, and Amazon contract with them to provide last mile services. Considering that fact it is impossible for UPS/FedEx to be good at package delivery and the USPS bad because the USPS is the one delivering those packages to our homes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't undestand the outrage in this thread. The USPS normally take *days* to deliver mail. This is normal. Having ballot request cut-offs 4 days before the election will cause some of those ballots to not arrive back in time. This is simply a statement truth and facts, based on service level standards established in 2015 - under Obama.

The outrage is the removal of sorting machines, which cuts productivity because then our postal workers have to sort by hand, which takes longer. Days longer. So, instead of getting mail in 3-5 days, it take 7-30 days. When you are depending on the USPS for medication, the difference between 5 and 30 days could be life and death. When you are sending your rent check in, the difference between 5 and 30 days could mean late fees, hit to credit rating or even eviction proceedings. For small businesses, it is the difference between a happy customer and an irate customer?

Get it?

Unlike the rest of you idiots, I worked for USPS for 15 years, supporting mail processing/sorting/delivery operations. The removal of sorting machines is long overdue, as most of them sit unused, taking up space that could be utilized for package sorting, and expensive maintenance for the parts and IT systems that keep them alive. The removal of these sorting machines is a realignment of USPS mail/package handling infrastructure to better align the organization with the future. This will *NOT* impact mail delivery service level - any opinion to the contrary are scaremongering not backed up by data. The remaining mail sorting machines have plenty of capacity to handle the current first-class mail volume. The fact that you are pointing to "medication" delays as a possible outcome shows you just how ignorant people like you are. When was the last time USPS delivered medicine in a first-class sortable envelope.

What a dumbass.

Hey, ya big dummy. The White House says it isn't removing any sorting machines. So who's lying, you or Trump?

https://www.businessinsider.com/white-house-chief-staff-usps-election-sorting-machines-2020-8

[Anonymous]

As a PP mentioned, the current changes at the USPS have nothing to do with the election - except as a manufactured outrage issue by the Democrats. The USPS "scandal" takes the place of BLM's riots and looting, which polling now shows are becoming very unpopular. If race is the or close to being the #1 issue affecting Americans (as claimed by BLM and the MSM only a few short weeks ago), why has it been essentially kicked off the front page by the MSM?

The USPS is an excuse for the Democrats to come back and work behind the scenes on a new coronavirus relief bill, without looking like they were out-maneuvered by Trump's EOs (which they were). Is it coincidental that Nancy is holding USPS hearings on the same days as the Republican National Convention? I don't think so...

To quote Joe Biden - "C'mon man!" <it's funny if you say it like Bart Simpson - "Don't have a cow, man!">

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't undestand the outrage in this thread. The USPS normally take *days* to deliver mail. This is normal. Having ballot request cut-offs 4 days before the election will cause some of those ballots to not arrive back in time. This is simply a statement truth and facts, based on service level standards established in 2015 - under Obama.

The outrage is the removal of sorting machines, which cuts productivity because then our postal workers have to sort by hand, which takes longer. Days longer. So, instead of getting mail in 3-5 days, it take 7-30 days. When you are depending on the USPS for medication, the difference between 5 and 30 days could be life and death. When you are sending your rent check in, the difference between 5 and 30 days could mean late fees, hit to credit rating or even eviction proceedings. For small businesses, it is the difference between a happy customer and an irate customer?

Get it?

Unlike the rest of you idiots, I worked for USPS for 15 years, supporting mail processing/sorting/delivery operations. The removal of sorting machines is long overdue, as most of them sit unused, taking up space that could be utilized for package sorting, and expensive maintenance for the parts and IT systems that keep them alive. The removal of these sorting machines is a realignment of USPS mail/package handling infrastructure to better align the organization with the future. This will *NOT* impact mail delivery service level - any opinion to the contrary are scaremongering not backed up by data. The remaining mail sorting machines have plenty of capacity to handle the current first-class mail volume. The fact that you are pointing to "medication" delays as a possible outcome shows you just how ignorant people like you are. When was the last time USPS delivered medicine in a first-class sortable envelope.

What a dumbass.

My aunt gets a monthly medication delivery via the USPS. She still hasn't recieved her July shipment and had to go to her pharmacy to get a temporary dosage. So whose the dumbass?

And when you say the sorting machine issue isn't an issue, exactly how is the mail being sorted, if not by machine? Because reports from your former co-workers suggest that they are doing it by hand now in places where the sorting machines have been removed, causing massive delays and piles of unsorted mail stacking up.

There are three types of "mail" that the USPS handles: letters, flats, and packages. They flow through different systems. Here's a good video that shows you how they are processed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX16-52bHvg&feature=youtu.be&t=107

The USPS has concentrated their infrastructure on leters and flats sorting because that's where their core business was. You can also tell by the way their delivery trucks are designed - smaller vehicles with racks for mail trays. However, as letters and flats volume decrease, and demand for package handling increase, it's natural for USPS to start retiring letter/flat sorters.

The medication your aunt gets likely arrives as a package - even if it is a small package. If the poor package delivery service concerns you, you should be applauding the fact that USPS is eliminating under-utilized letter/flat sorters to make room for better package handling infrastructure. As is, most letters/flats arrive at your local post office pre-sorted to route-sequence. Meaning that a letter carrier can just load the trays of mail and it's already in the sequence of addresses that are to be delivered in.

The same is not true for packages. Packages arrives sorted to the facility (which roughly correspond to one or more service ZIP codes), but then every morning, the carriers must sort the packages to the route that they would be delivered on. Once this is done, each carrier takes their hamper(s) full of packages to their trucks and manually sort them again to a rough order of delivery sequence based on their driving route.

Notice the difference in efficiency: every letter/flat (more or less) pre-sorted by the time they arrive at the local post office, versus completely unsorted packages, and requiring two additional levels of manual sorting before they can be driven out to be delivered. Clearly, investiting in additional processing center sorting capabilities will improve package handling efficiency for the USPS, which would result in better delivery for your aunt's medication.

[Anonymous]

Also, doesn't anyone think that the current pandemic is affecting mail volume and delivery? If I recall correctly, it has shot through the roof since March. Much of that delivery is package delivery, not flat mail.

For all those objecting, this is exactly why we can't do 100% mail in voting right now. The USPS just isn't set up for the potential flat mail volume when it must ensure that packages get through, including grandma's medication.

Or would you prefer that the USPS delay packages and let grandma die because you're too lazy to get off the couch to vote in person, but you'll get up to go protest at the height of the pandemic?