postal service warns it will not deliver mail-in ballots on time

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't undestand the outrage in this thread. The USPS normally take *days* to deliver mail. This is normal. Having ballot request cut-offs 4 days before the election will cause some of those ballots to not arrive back in time. This is simply a statement truth and facts, based on service level standards established in 2015 - under Obama.

The outrage is the removal of sorting machines, which cuts productivity because then our postal workers have to sort by hand, which takes longer. Days longer. So, instead of getting mail in 3-5 days, it take 7-30 days. When you are depending on the USPS for medication, the difference between 5 and 30 days could be life and death. When you are sending your rent check in, the difference between 5 and 30 days could mean late fees, hit to credit rating or even eviction proceedings. For small businesses, it is the difference between a happy customer and an irate customer?

Get it?

Unlike the rest of you idiots, I worked for USPS for 15 years, supporting mail processing/sorting/delivery operations. The removal of sorting machines is long overdue, as most of them sit unused, taking up space that could be utilized for package sorting, and expensive maintenance for the parts and IT systems that keep them alive. The removal of these sorting machines is a realignment of USPS mail/package handling infrastructure to better align the organization with the future. This will *NOT* impact mail delivery service level - any opinion to the contrary are scaremongering not backed up by data. The remaining mail sorting machines have plenty of capacity to handle the current first-class mail volume. The fact that you are pointing to "medication" delays as a possible outcome shows you just how ignorant people like you are. When was the last time USPS delivered medicine in a first-class sortable envelope.

What a dumbass.

Hey, ya big dummy. The White House says it isn't removing any sorting machines. So who's lying, you or Trump?

https://www.businessinsider.com/white-house-chief-staff-usps-election-sorting-machines-2020-8

I question your attachment to reality. The white house said they are not removing sorting machines *BEFORE THE ELECTION*. Meaning, the USPS is still removing those sorting machines, just not before the election. Doesn't make a difference, whether an unused sorter is stiting in a processing center or some storage warehouse somewhere doesn't make any difference on the fact that it won't be used to sort mail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, doesn't anyone think that the current pandemic is affecting mail volume and delivery? If I recall correctly, it has shot through the roof since March. Much of that delivery is package delivery, not flat mail.

For all those objecting, this is exactly why we can't do 100% mail in voting right now. The USPS just isn't set up for the potential flat mail volume when it must ensure that packages get through, including grandma's medication.

Or would you prefer that the USPS delay packages and let grandma die because you're too lazy to get off the couch to vote in person, but you'll get up to go protest at the height of the pandemic?

You are really, really tied to protesting as if it’s some sort of talisman. It’s really weird, dude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't undestand the outrage in this thread. The USPS normally take *days* to deliver mail. This is normal. Having ballot request cut-offs 4 days before the election will cause some of those ballots to not arrive back in time. This is simply a statement truth and facts, based on service level standards established in 2015 - under Obama.

The outrage is the removal of sorting machines, which cuts productivity because then our postal workers have to sort by hand, which takes longer. Days longer. So, instead of getting mail in 3-5 days, it take 7-30 days. When you are depending on the USPS for medication, the difference between 5 and 30 days could be life and death. When you are sending your rent check in, the difference between 5 and 30 days could mean late fees, hit to credit rating or even eviction proceedings. For small businesses, it is the difference between a happy customer and an irate customer?

Get it?

Unlike the rest of you idiots, I worked for USPS for 15 years, supporting mail processing/sorting/delivery operations. The removal of sorting machines is long overdue, as most of them sit unused, taking up space that could be utilized for package sorting, and expensive maintenance for the parts and IT systems that keep them alive. The removal of these sorting machines is a realignment of USPS mail/package handling infrastructure to better align the organization with the future. This will *NOT* impact mail delivery service level - any opinion to the contrary are scaremongering not backed up by data. The remaining mail sorting machines have plenty of capacity to handle the current first-class mail volume. The fact that you are pointing to "medication" delays as a possible outcome shows you just how ignorant people like you are. When was the last time USPS delivered medicine in a first-class sortable envelope.

What a dumbass.

So then Mr. Clavin, why aren't people receiving their medication? Where are the 2 very important pieces of mail that were sent to us 4 weeks ago? Why am I only getting mail delivery 4-5 days/week? Why are the 2 collection boxes (which used to be 3) at my neighborhood post office so stuffed with mail t hat you can't put anything else inside?

The amount of stupidity and unearned confidence in this thread is astounding. USPS has had lackluster package service compared to UPS and FedEX, with lower service performance, becaus their business has traditionally been aligned toward handling and delivery of flat mail, and not packages. Medication is shipped via package service, not flat mail. The sorting machines being removed are flat mail sorters, so that they can make room to improve package sorting. So if you want more reliable medication delivery from the USPS, you would applaud the removal of the under-utilized flat mail sorters.

Yet you guys are here crying about removal of the flat mail sorters.

Because you guys are dummbasses.

If the USPS is so bad at package delivery then why so UPS, FedEx, and Amazon contract with them to provide last mile services. Considering that fact it is impossible for UPS/FedEx to be good at package delivery and the USPS bad because the USPS is the one delivering those packages to our homes.

Because USPS is cheapest for last mile delivery in suburban/rural areas where the delivery density is low. Note that all of the services you noted provide their own last mile service in high density urban environments. Also, by using USPS only for last mile, UPS/FedEX/Amazon are not exposing their packages to the inefficient USPS package routing system - this is where most of the errors occur in USPS's system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, doesn't anyone think that the current pandemic is affecting mail volume and delivery? If I recall correctly, it has shot through the roof since March. Much of that delivery is package delivery, not flat mail.

For all those objecting, this is exactly why we can't do 100% mail in voting right now. The USPS just isn't set up for the potential flat mail volume when it must ensure that packages get through, including grandma's medication.

Or would you prefer that the USPS delay packages and let grandma die because you're too lazy to get off the couch to vote in person, but you'll get up to go protest at the height of the pandemic?

The USPS handled 142 billion pieces of non-package mail last year. There is about 260 million people of voting age in the US. Even if every single one of those people sent in a ballot, that's still only 260 million pieces of mail, most of which is sent locally to single-points, rather than widely dispersed nationally. To give you some context, the USPS handles about 6 billion Christmas cards annually.

Any ballot volume is simply noise to the USPS. Worrying about this amount of mail is making a mountain out of a Chipotle Burrito.

[Anonymous]

Sabotage of a wartime utility is treason.

Period.

That is what DeJoy and Trump are doing, with full assent of the GOP in the House and Senate.

[Anonymous]

While we're all busy arguing about the fine points of the USPS delivery system, our home-grown autocrat has said OUT LOUD what his intentions are:

“Now they need that money in order to make the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots ... But if they don’t get those two items that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting.”

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1293896544668782592?s=20

He may or may not believe he can prevent mail-in voting throughout the country, but he sure as hell is systematically planting the seeds of doubt so that if the vote doesn't go his way, he can claim there were problems with the mail-in ballots. Focus on the big picture people!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't undestand the outrage in this thread. The USPS normally take *days* to deliver mail. This is normal. Having ballot request cut-offs 4 days before the election will cause some of those ballots to not arrive back in time. This is simply a statement truth and facts, based on service level standards established in 2015 - under Obama.

The outrage is the removal of sorting machines, which cuts productivity because then our postal workers have to sort by hand, which takes longer. Days longer. So, instead of getting mail in 3-5 days, it take 7-30 days. When you are depending on the USPS for medication, the difference between 5 and 30 days could be life and death. When you are sending your rent check in, the difference between 5 and 30 days could mean late fees, hit to credit rating or even eviction proceedings. For small businesses, it is the difference between a happy customer and an irate customer?

Get it?

Unlike the rest of you idiots, I worked for USPS for 15 years, supporting mail processing/sorting/delivery operations. The removal of sorting machines is long overdue, as most of them sit unused, taking up space that could be utilized for package sorting, and expensive maintenance for the parts and IT systems that keep them alive. The removal of these sorting machines is a realignment of USPS mail/package handling infrastructure to better align the organization with the future. This will *NOT* impact mail delivery service level - any opinion to the contrary are scaremongering not backed up by data. The remaining mail sorting machines have plenty of capacity to handle the current first-class mail volume. The fact that you are pointing to "medication" delays as a possible outcome shows you just how ignorant people like you are. When was the last time USPS delivered medicine in a first-class sortable envelope.

What a dumbass.

So then Mr. Clavin, why aren't people receiving their medication? Where are the 2 very important pieces of mail that were sent to us 4 weeks ago? Why am I only getting mail delivery 4-5 days/week? Why are the 2 collection boxes (which used to be 3) at my neighborhood post office so stuffed with mail t hat you can't put anything else inside?

The amount of stupidity and unearned confidence in this thread is astounding. USPS has had lackluster package service compared to UPS and FedEX, with lower service performance, becaus their business has traditionally been aligned toward handling and delivery of flat mail, and not packages. Medication is shipped via package service, not flat mail. The sorting machines being removed are flat mail sorters, so that they can make room to improve package sorting. So if you want more reliable medication delivery from the USPS, you would applaud the removal of the under-utilized flat mail sorters.

Yet you guys are here crying about removal of the flat mail sorters.

Because you guys are dummbasses.

If the USPS is so bad at package delivery then why so UPS, FedEx, and Amazon contract with them to provide last mile services. Considering that fact it is impossible for UPS/FedEx to be good at package delivery and the USPS bad because the USPS is the one delivering those packages to our homes.

Because USPS is cheapest for last mile delivery in suburban/rural areas where the delivery density is low. Note that all of the services you noted provide their own last mile service in high density urban environments. Also, by using USPS only for last mile, UPS/FedEX/Amazon are not exposing their packages to the inefficient USPS package routing system - this is where most of the errors occur in USPS's system.

Indeed. FedEx, ups, and Amazon rely on USPS for delivering to more difficult and expensive places. In other words they cherry pick the easy stuff therefore you can't say that they are better because the entities are taking two different tests. One with easy questions and one with hard questions. uPS, FedEx and Amazon cannot provide the same level of servuce at anywhere near the same price point.

Personally I think messing with the USPS at this exact moment in time is horrendous, especially when they have said that they are doing it intentionally to help one candidates election prospects. For 2021 and beyond I no longer care about destroying the USPS. I think it's a bad idea to do that but I'll still get my mail and packages since I live in a densely populated urban area. I'm tired of defending the public utility of USPS and Amtrak when they function as a giant subsidy for rural areas and those rural area elected officials want to have it both ways. Privatize them all in 2021. My costs will go down and my service won't be impacted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sabotage of a wartime utility is treason.

Period.

That is what DeJoy and Trump are doing, with full assent of the GOP in the House and Senate.

I bet you also think that repaving a road is the same as sabotaging the road. Such evil!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sabotage of a wartime utility is treason.

Period.

That is what DeJoy and Trump are doing, with full assent of the GOP in the House and Senate.

I bet you also think that repaving a road is the same as sabotaging the road. Such evil!

Dp- if my “repaving” you mean grinding the road down to rubble and leaving it, then ... yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, doesn't anyone think that the current pandemic is affecting mail volume and delivery? If I recall correctly, it has shot through the roof since March. Much of that delivery is package delivery, not flat mail.

For all those objecting, this is exactly why we can't do 100% mail in voting right now. The USPS just isn't set up for the potential flat mail volume when it must ensure that packages get through, including grandma's medication.

Or would you prefer that the USPS delay packages and let grandma die because you're too lazy to get off the couch to vote in person, but you'll get up to go protest at the height of the pandemic?

You are really, really tied to protesting as if it’s some sort of talisman. It’s really weird, dude.

It's not weird. If you are healthy enough to go out of your house to visit the grocery store, pharmacy, or other indoor facility - or be shoulder to shoulder with hundreds of thousands of your closest friends at a protest - you're healthy enough to get off your *ss and go vote in person. Absentee balloting is available for many with health conditions that would preclude them from voting in person.

But you didn't answer my question. You seem to want grandma's medication delayed so that you can sit on your *ss and vote by mail. In-person voting places will be following CDC guidelines, and there's even money available for them to do so. Are you saying that the CDC is wrong, and your "feelings" about coronavirus are right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While we're all busy arguing about the fine points of the USPS delivery system, our home-grown autocrat has said OUT LOUD what his intentions are:

“Now they need that money in order to make the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots ... But if they don’t get those two items that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting.”

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1293896544668782592?s=20

He may or may not believe he can prevent mail-in voting throughout the country, but he sure as hell is systematically planting the seeds of doubt so that if the vote doesn't go his way, he can claim there were problems with the mail-in ballots. Focus on the big picture people!

Trump is an idiot. He can say what he wants, doesn't make him correct. 260 million ballots mailed locally to collection points is easy work for the USPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sabotage of a wartime utility is treason.

Period.

That is what DeJoy and Trump are doing, with full assent of the GOP in the House and Senate.

I bet you also think that repaving a road is the same as sabotaging the road. Such evil!

Dp- if my “repaving” you mean grinding the road down to rubble and leaving it, then ... yes.

In what part of the country do they repave a road in the manner you described? Care to share? Link? Photos?

[Anonymous]

And now he is against dropboxes

So, basically, he is against voting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sabotage of a wartime utility is treason.

Period.

That is what DeJoy and Trump are doing, with full assent of the GOP in the House and Senate.

I bet you also think that repaving a road is the same as sabotaging the road. Such evil!

Bad analogy.

This is sabotage in an effort to 1) disrupt the election and 2) privatize/eliminate the USPS all together.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And now he is against dropboxes

So, basically, he is against voting.

Anyone with half a brain could predict this. He’s trying to delay the election and put the results in doubt so Barr can crown him king.