New school in Palisades

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Anonymous wrote:Uh, that quoted Cheh email was posted upthread in July 2020. It would have been great to know it would be a middle school, but aren't we now discussing whether 1. Hardy MS will move there or 2. A high school, or 3. 9th grade only, sharing principal with Wilson?
It just so happens those numbers are how I rank the options.

That's also the ranking of what would make the most sense, but probably the opposite of probability of happening because . . . DCPS.

The options are (1) a new middle school which would feed to Wilson HS; (2) a new high school (either at the MacArthur property OR at Hardy, with Hardy MS moving to MacArthur); or (3) a 9th grade academy (at either location).

Personally, I rank them (1) new high school; (2) 9th grade academy; (3) new middle school. Wilson is already nearly 2,000 students and projected to get much bigger. A new middle school will blow it up. Frankly, if a new middle school is opened up, it is not going to feed to Wilson anyway. Wilson will be so large that Hardy and the new middle school will have to feed to Cardozo or some other high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its going to very hard to drum up sympathy for this anti-River push, and it frankly seems like nothing more than NIMBY attitudes coming from people who have chosen to live within blocks of some of the busiest commercial thoroughfares in NW. I, too, live near one of these busy commercial areas, and while my children riding their bikes around worries me, it is the price of doing business for having a beautiful, leafy neighborhood in a major city. There are plenty of examples of large historic homes that are transformed into commercial/nonprofit/educational spaces. If they turned an old Ambassadors residence in Spring Valley into a small elementary school, I would be fine with that. If they built a new school at Hardy Park that could alleviate crowding at our schools but would add more cars to an already busy thoroughfare...I would be fine with that too! Consider it like NCRC in Cleveland Park. Its just not a big deal, and I think these anti-River organizers (are going to have a hard time painting this little school as some sort of nefarious actor that's going to turn 42nd St into the Indy500.

I would argue that a new school at Hardy Park leads to a net reduction in traffic. The school is being built to address increased demand in the immediate neighborhood. The kids are going to go to school somewhere if not there, and that other school is going to be further away from where they live. People traveling shorter distances means less traffic.

The traffic is increasing because the population is increasing. A new school isn't a cause, it's an effect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh, that quoted Cheh email was posted upthread in July 2020. It would have been great to know it would be a middle school, but aren't we now discussing whether 1. Hardy MS will move there or 2. A high school, or 3. 9th grade only, sharing principal with Wilson?
It just so happens those numbers are how I rank the options.

That's also the ranking of what would make the most sense, but probably the opposite of probability of happening because . . . DCPS.

The options are (1) a new middle school which would feed to Wilson HS; (2) a new high school (either at the MacArthur property OR at Hardy, with Hardy MS moving to MacArthur); or (3) a 9th grade academy (at either location).

Personally, I rank them (1) new high school; (2) 9th grade academy; (3) new middle school. Wilson is already nearly 2,000 students and projected to get much bigger. A new middle school will blow it up. Frankly, if a new middle school is opened up, it is not going to feed to Wilson anyway. Wilson will be so large that Hardy and the new middle school will have to feed to Cardozo or some other high school.

That's something a lot of people don't get. Wilson is projected to be 2800 students by 2028 if nothing is done. A feeder is going to have to be dropped, and it isn't going to be Deal. The choice for Hardy is whether it feeds a new HS on Wisconsin or MacArthur, or an existing school further east.

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Curious: where is the new housing in Wilson feeder that fuels this growth?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh, that quoted Cheh email was posted upthread in July 2020. It would have been great to know it would be a middle school, but aren't we now discussing whether 1. Hardy MS will move there or 2. A high school, or 3. 9th grade only, sharing principal with Wilson?
It just so happens those numbers are how I rank the options.

That's also the ranking of what would make the most sense, but probably the opposite of probability of happening because . . . DCPS.

The options are (1) a new middle school which would feed to Wilson HS; (2) a new high school (either at the MacArthur property OR at Hardy, with Hardy MS moving to MacArthur); or (3) a 9th grade academy (at either location).

Personally, I rank them (1) new high school; (2) 9th grade academy; (3) new middle school. Wilson is already nearly 2,000 students and projected to get much bigger. A new middle school will blow it up. Frankly, if a new middle school is opened up, it is not going to feed to Wilson anyway. Wilson will be so large that Hardy and the new middle school will have to feed to Cardozo or some other high school.

That's something a lot of people don't get. Wilson is projected to be 2800 students by 2028 if nothing is done. A feeder is going to have to be dropped, and it isn't going to be Deal. The choice for Hardy is whether it feeds a new HS on Wisconsin or MacArthur, or an existing school further east.

I agree that a new HS is the right answer. But the 9th grade academy idea is horrible. Even the presentation deck makes clear that it solves very few problems and creates a bunch of new ones. I am worried, though, that it seems like the easiest to execute for fall 2022 and the least politically fraught and thus will be what DCPS selects.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious: where is the new housing in Wilson feeder that fuels this growth?

Why do you assume that new housing has to fuel growth? DC has had a lot fewer kids per household than the national average. A slight increase in the household size can mean tens of thousands of new residents with no new housing. Anecdotally a lot of empty nesters seem to be being replaced by families with kids.

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NP here. I hate the 9th grade academy idea. It will make Wilson very disjointed. The principal being split across two campuses that are far apart is also a bad idea. She was barely visible at Wilson already

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Anonymous wrote:Uh, that quoted Cheh email was posted upthread in July 2020. It would have been great to know it would be a middle school, but aren't we now discussing whether 1. Hardy MS will move there or 2. A high school, or 3. 9th grade only, sharing principal with Wilson?
It just so happens those numbers are how I rank the options.

That's also the ranking of what would make the most sense, but probably the opposite of probability of happening because . . . DCPS.

The options are (1) a new middle school which would feed to Wilson HS; (2) a new high school (either at the MacArthur property OR at Hardy, with Hardy MS moving to MacArthur); or (3) a 9th grade academy (at either location).

Personally, I rank them (1) new high school; (2) 9th grade academy; (3) new middle school. Wilson is already nearly 2,000 students and projected to get much bigger. A new middle school will blow it up. Frankly, if a new middle school is opened up, it is not going to feed to Wilson anyway. Wilson will be so large that Hardy and the new middle school will have to feed to Cardozo or some other high school.

That's something a lot of people don't get. Wilson is projected to be 2800 students by 2028 if nothing is done. A feeder is going to have to be dropped, and it isn't going to be Deal. The choice for Hardy is whether it feeds a new HS on Wisconsin or MacArthur, or an existing school further east.

I agree that a new HS is the right answer. But the 9th grade academy idea is horrible. Even the presentation deck makes clear that it solves very few problems and creates a bunch of new ones. I am worried, though, that it seems like the easiest to execute for fall 2022 and the least politically fraught and thus will be what DCPS selects.

The Wilson catchment area is huge, having everyone in it travel to Wisconsin or MacArthur is a big lift. People plan their lives around transportation and having two campuses with completely different transportation profiles is going to be hard for everyone.

[Anonymous]

Has the Ward3Ednet taken a stance on these proposals?

[Anonymous]

What is the likelihood that a new MS gets created and the current Deal feeder pattern gets shifted?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh, that quoted Cheh email was posted upthread in July 2020. It would have been great to know it would be a middle school, but aren't we now discussing whether 1. Hardy MS will move there or 2. A high school, or 3. 9th grade only, sharing principal with Wilson?
It just so happens those numbers are how I rank the options.

That's also the ranking of what would make the most sense, but probably the opposite of probability of happening because . . . DCPS.

The options are (1) a new middle school which would feed to Wilson HS; (2) a new high school (either at the MacArthur property OR at Hardy, with Hardy MS moving to MacArthur); or (3) a 9th grade academy (at either location).

Personally, I rank them (1) new high school; (2) 9th grade academy; (3) new middle school. Wilson is already nearly 2,000 students and projected to get much bigger. A new middle school will blow it up. Frankly, if a new middle school is opened up, it is not going to feed to Wilson anyway. Wilson will be so large that Hardy and the new middle school will have to feed to Cardozo or some other high school.

That's something a lot of people don't get. Wilson is projected to be 2800 students by 2028 if nothing is done. A feeder is going to have to be dropped, and it isn't going to be Deal. The choice for Hardy is whether it feeds a new HS on Wisconsin or MacArthur, or an existing school further east.

I agree that a new HS is the right answer. But the 9th grade academy idea is horrible. Even the presentation deck makes clear that it solves very few problems and creates a bunch of new ones. I am worried, though, that it seems like the easiest to execute for fall 2022 and the least politically fraught and thus will be what DCPS selects.

Yea, I would bet $ they are going with the 9th grade academy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Its going to very hard to drum up sympathy for this anti-River push, and it frankly seems like nothing more than NIMBY attitudes coming from people who have chosen to live within blocks of some of the busiest commercial thoroughfares in NW. I, too, live near one of these busy commercial areas, and while my children riding their bikes around worries me, it is the price of doing business for having a beautiful, leafy neighborhood in a major city. There are plenty of examples of large historic homes that are transformed into commercial/nonprofit/educational spaces. If they turned an old Ambassadors residence in Spring Valley into a small elementary school, I would be fine with that. If they built a new school at Hardy Park that could alleviate crowding at our schools but would add more cars to an already busy thoroughfare...I would be fine with that too! Consider it like NCRC in Cleveland Park. Its just not a big deal, and I think these anti-River organizers (are going to have a hard time painting this little school as some sort of nefarious actor that's going to turn 42nd St into the Indy500.

I would argue that a new school at Hardy Park leads to a net reduction in traffic. The school is being built to address increased demand in the immediate neighborhood. The kids are going to go to school somewhere if not there, and that other school is going to be further away from where they live. People traveling shorter distances means less traffic.

The traffic is increasing because the population is increasing. A new school isn't a cause, it's an effect.

You cry out NIMBY because some people care about the community and not wanting to get run over when walking to school? You've missed the mark on that one. Doing a lot of finger pointing here which sounds like you are very much vested in this. When I walk my daughters to school their safety concerns me. When my son walks to Wilson, that concerns me maybe even more (teenagers!).

This sounds like a big deal to me by the way you a defending all the issues? It is in no way a "little school". Your family either goes there or you have not read their BZA. Maybe both? Going to school there is great! Not knowing what you are talking about because you didn't read the information is not. The amount of children and staff they want to bring without adequate space is worrisome.

If the feeder pattern gets changed and the families who would WALK to their school gets changed - how are they going to get to the Hardy location??????? They are going to have to drive which will cause even more issues, not a reduction. What about the families that lived in the area to be close to their public school and do not have a car? Families that bike to school? That Hardy area is not metro accessible which is why the River School is "trying to move" from their original location is it not? Biking with small children for the 3 or so miles during rush hour? Thank you google maps and the 1 hr walk in the morning (for a grown adult).

"People traveling shorter distances means less traffic". What in the world?

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DCPS is acknowledging the real need for new schools in Ward 3 — living in AU Park, over the past 10 years every house sold by an empty nest family/older homeowners has been replaced by a family with young school-aged children.

The trouble is DCPS isn’t engaging in comprehensive planning and the whole process seems as hoc. We have the River School planning to move INTO Tenleytown; meanwhile under one of the options, DCPS is telling us that Janney kids may end up having to get down to Foxhall/for middle school?! Huh??????

[Anonymous]

Ad hoc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh, that quoted Cheh email was posted upthread in July 2020. It would have been great to know it would be a middle school, but aren't we now discussing whether 1. Hardy MS will move there or 2. A high school, or 3. 9th grade only, sharing principal with Wilson?
It just so happens those numbers are how I rank the options.

That's also the ranking of what would make the most sense, but probably the opposite of probability of happening because . . . DCPS.

The options are (1) a new middle school which would feed to Wilson HS; (2) a new high school (either at the MacArthur property OR at Hardy, with Hardy MS moving to MacArthur); or (3) a 9th grade academy (at either location).

Personally, I rank them (1) new high school; (2) 9th grade academy; (3) new middle school. Wilson is already nearly 2,000 students and projected to get much bigger. A new middle school will blow it up. Frankly, if a new middle school is opened up, it is not going to feed to Wilson anyway. Wilson will be so large that Hardy and the new middle school will have to feed to Cardozo or some other high school.

That's something a lot of people don't get. Wilson is projected to be 2800 students by 2028 if nothing is done. A feeder is going to have to be dropped, and it isn't going to be Deal. The choice for Hardy is whether it feeds a new HS on Wisconsin or MacArthur, or an existing school further east.

What happened to the option of moving Hardy closer to the elementary schools that feed into it (including the one that doesn't yet exist), and putting a new high school into Hardy's Georgetown building, which Hardy would feed into, which would be more accessible to the rest of town, to ensure continued diversity, and right across the street from Duke Ellington High School, which would offer amazing opportunities for creative and productive interactions between two public high schools with different missions and specialties.