Time to Re-name Montgomery County

[Anonymous]

I don’t not why but turned into much as an autocorrect, but that should say “But not...”

[Anonymous]

I like how y'all got baited into a thread thinking they were actually gonna rename the county.

OP was trolling but you fell for it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like some of these posters don’t think owning slaves is a disqualifier for being a good person.

Maybe some people realize that there are no perfect people. We can admire good qualities and actions while realizing that people are flawed.

This does not end with the Founding Fathers. Many liberal icons committed "offenses" against women and minorities as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our morals have evolved. No need to honor those people in 2020.

The thing is that your morals are based on the foundation of the Enlightenment, and the bravery of people like Washington, Jefferson and Richard Montgomery who risked their lives and property to fight a war to overthrow monarchy in order to claim their "natural rights." Are you really so uneducated to think that people in 2020 don't owe their moral "progress" to people who took the earlier steps to begin the movement toward equality?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our morals have evolved. No need to honor those people in 2020.

The thing is that your morals are based on the foundation of the Enlightenment, and the bravery of people like Washington, Jefferson and Richard Montgomery who risked their lives and property to fight a war to overthrow monarchy in order to claim their "natural rights." Are you really so uneducated to think that people in 2020 don't owe their moral "progress" to people who took the earlier steps to begin the movement toward equality?

There have been plenty of people since Washington, Jefferson, and (what's he even doing on this list?) Richard Montgomery that we also owe our "moral progress" (your term) to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our morals have evolved. No need to honor those people in 2020.

The thing is that your morals are based on the foundation of the Enlightenment, and the bravery of people like Washington, Jefferson and Richard Montgomery who risked their lives and property to fight a war to overthrow monarchy in order to claim their "natural rights." Are you really so uneducated to think that people in 2020 don't owe their moral "progress" to people who took the earlier steps to begin the movement toward equality?

There have been plenty of people since Washington, Jefferson, and (what's he even doing on this list?) Richard Montgomery that we also owe our "moral progress" (your term) to.

And Jefferson’s morals got worse, not better over the course of his lifetime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like how y'all got baited into a thread thinking they were actually gonna rename the county.

OP was trolling but you fell for it

The folks in this thread are too dumb to realize that

[Anonymous]

NIMBYville?

Lawyerton?

Stepford?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And so the idiots of the far left push us ever closer to a second Trump term.

Yup. This is going to be the consequence. I absolutely HATE Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like some of these posters don’t think owning slaves is a disqualifier for being a good person.

Maybe some people realize that there are no perfect people. We can admire good qualities and actions while realizing that people are flawed.

This does not end with the Founding Fathers. Many liberal icons committed "offenses" against women and minorities as well.

MLK was a known misogynist. He stood around laughing while witnessing a rape. Should we take down his monument?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our morals have evolved. No need to honor those people in 2020.

The thing is that your morals are based on the foundation of the Enlightenment, and the bravery of people like Washington, Jefferson and Richard Montgomery who risked their lives and property to fight a war to overthrow monarchy in order to claim their "natural rights." Are you really so uneducated to think that people in 2020 don't owe their moral "progress" to people who took the earlier steps to begin the movement toward equality?

There have been plenty of people since Washington, Jefferson, and (what's he even doing on this list?) Richard Montgomery that we also owe our "moral progress" (your term) to.

So apparently you ARE uneducated about the movement toward equality for all...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Grant was a slave owner.

“Grant was the last US president to have personally owned another human being. Though his father was an abolitionist, Grant married a woman from a slave-owning family and personally directed the labor of enslaved workers at their plantation in Missouri. In 1859, two years before the civil war, he emancipated William Jones, a slave aged around 35 whom he had personally owned.
During the war, his wife, Julia, traveled with a woman named Jules who was still enslaved, a decision that prompted public condemnation. The Grant family did not free Jules after President Abraham Lincoln issued the emancipation proclamation. Instead, according to the White House Historical Association, Jules ran away.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/20/san-francisco-statues-ulysses-s-grant-junipero-serra-francis-scott-key

Yes, and that slave was gifted to him, and per your post, Grant let him go. The other slaves were owned by his wife and her family.

Do you even HEAR yourself?

Grant was given one slave, whom he freed. If he had refused the "gift," the person would certainly have remained enslaved. Grant was not legally able to free his wife's slaves, because his father-in-law retained ownership of them (precisely so that Grant could not free them). Grant used federal troops and federal resources to fight the KKK and others in the South (by force and using the law) who tried to prevent former slaves from voting.

Grant was not perfect. (His record on Native Americans is also awful.) But the point is that we didn't erect statues to Grant *because* he owned slaves, but because he defeated the slaveowners.

[Anonymous]

We should tear down the pyramids because they were built by ... wait for it ... slaves. All Roman statues too.