Time to Re-name Montgomery County

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our morals have evolved. No need to honor those people in 2020.

And they will continue to evolve. Let’s not name things or places after anyone anymore. Take a page after the hunger games and start naming things district 1, 2 , 3 etc.

How many pages do you want to take? Things could get ugly real quick...

[Anonymous]

If you ever take any form of fossil fuel burning vehicle, knowing what we know about global warming, you should be summarily executed for the benefit of my grandchildren, your worldly assets should be divided among the woke, and your last name stricken from your children.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you ever take any form of fossil fuel burning vehicle, knowing what we know about global warming, you should be summarily executed for the benefit of my grandchildren, your worldly assets should be divided among the woke, and your last name stricken from your children.

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I suspect that we will all be ashamed of our contribution to this and we should stop glorifying Ford and other industrialists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:George Washington also had slaves. As did Jefferson, and other US potus. Maybe we should take down their monuments.

I'm totally for BLM and renaming military bases that are named after *confederate* generals, as they are basically traitors to the USA. But, I don't think we need to rename *everything* named after people in this country's history who owned slaves. Lots of people owned slaves; it was the norm during that time.

George and Martha "owned" >700 enslaved people. Jefferson raped and had children with an enslaved woman he "owned". You can't leave the past in the past when you have daily reminders. Hey, let's live on Jeffry Epstein Street or Dahmer Blvd.

Why does it matter how many slaves the Washington's owned? As for Jefferson, if he did rape her, and never felt sorry for it, then sure, demolish his monument. But there were many back then who did own slaves and then eventually changed their minds about it. Washington was such a person, and B. Franklin.

Maybe what ought to be done is keep the Jefferson memorial, but in it, also put a memorial up for those he wronged? What better way to remind people that Jefferson was not perfect and slavery was evil. People who go to Jefferson's monument will see both. I like the monument, and some of the words inscribed there. Mt. Vernon has something similar, I believe. They have an area dedicated to the slaves there; I think it's near Washington's tomb from what I recall.

Are you my neighbor from Charles Manson Drive?

[Anonymous]

Given the Democratic Party’s heinous racial legacy (the Civil War, Jim Crow, Woodrow Wilson, etc.), the party should be renamed immediately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you ever take any form of fossil fuel burning vehicle, knowing what we know about global warming, you should be summarily executed for the benefit of my grandchildren, your worldly assets should be divided among the woke, and your last name stricken from your children.

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I suspect that we will all be ashamed of our contribution to this and we should stop glorifying Ford and other industrialists.

Ford? No. He had no concept of green house gas emissions. YOU are to blame, not him. YOU know. Yet you persist on driving, flying, air-conditioning your house. Like an 18th century plantation owner, you know it is immoral, but you’re afraid what would happen if you gave up your means of production. Nothing should be named after you, even if you risk everything you own — including your sacred honor — to found a new country based on the radical concept that man can govern himself through representative government.

[Anonymous]

I agree with the PP from the first page. All the naming hysteria is doing is contributing towards giving Trump a second term. Have no problem with getting rid of Confederate generals' statues/ base names, etc., because they fought the United States in defense of the right to perpetuate an economic system founded on the enslavement of other human beings. That's an easy bright-line test to apply. Trump supporters---by excusing the incessant corruption and undermining of democratic norms---have made it clear that they would rather live in a white-controlled authoritarian country and give up democracy because they fear retribution when this country is a racial plurality. The logic that any white historical figure associated with slavery/discrimination in any way---no matter the norms of the time-- now needs to be vilified completely and erased from the public realm just plays into the racist narrative Trump feeds his base.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:George Washington also had slaves. As did Jefferson, and other US potus. Maybe we should take down their monuments.

I'm totally for BLM and renaming military bases that are named after *confederate* generals, as they are basically traitors to the USA. But, I don't think we need to rename *everything* named after people in this country's history who owned slaves. Lots of people owned slaves; it was the norm during that time.

George and Martha "owned" >700 enslaved people. Jefferson raped and had children with an enslaved woman he "owned". You can't leave the past in the past when you have daily reminders. Hey, let's live on Jeffry Epstein Street or Dahmer Blvd.

Why does it matter how many slaves the Washington's owned? As for Jefferson, if he did rape her, and never felt sorry for it, then sure, demolish his monument. But there were many back then who did own slaves and then eventually changed their minds about it. Washington was such a person, and B. Franklin.

Maybe what ought to be done is keep the Jefferson memorial, but in it, also put a memorial up for those he wronged? What better way to remind people that Jefferson was not perfect and slavery was evil. People who go to Jefferson's monument will see both. I like the monument, and some of the words inscribed there. Mt. Vernon has something similar, I believe. They have an area dedicated to the slaves there; I think it's near Washington's tomb from what I recall.

Are you my neighbor from Charles Manson Drive?

Only if you live in Jim Jonestown. Was this a serious post?

Slavery as we know it now is a horrible thing. But, it was practiced by many countries on almost every continent, over thousands of years. It is mentioned in the Bible, the Koran, Russians had serfs who were basically slaves and could be bought and sold up until the 1800s; Africans had slaves, as did the major civilizations in the Americas.

There were those who later felt that it was not a good thing. The guy who wrote the hymn Amazing Grace was such a person. It's an amazing story of a man who was involved in the slave trade, then went on to see the evils of it, eventually getting it abolished in England. I believe he was a captain on a slave ship, transporting them to the British colonies. Should we stop singing Amazing Grace since he wrote it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you ever take any form of fossil fuel burning vehicle, knowing what we know about global warming, you should be summarily executed for the benefit of my grandchildren, your worldly assets should be divided among the woke, and your last name stricken from your children.

Sign up here:

______________

I suspect that we will all be ashamed of our contribution to this and we should stop glorifying Ford and other industrialists.

Ford? No. He had no concept of green house gas emissions. YOU are to blame, not him. YOU know. Yet you persist on driving, flying, air-conditioning your house. Like an 18th century plantation owner, you know it is immoral, but you’re afraid what would happen if you gave up your means of production. Nothing should be named after you, even if you risk everything you own — including your sacred honor — to found a new country based on the radical concept that man can govern himself through representative government.

Nothing’s named after me. Is there a building we need to take your name off? We’re talking about not honoring people by naming things after them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:George Washington also had slaves. As did Jefferson, and other US potus. Maybe we should take down their monuments.

I'm totally for BLM and renaming military bases that are named after *confederate* generals, as they are basically traitors to the USA. But, I don't think we need to rename *everything* named after people in this country's history who owned slaves. Lots of people owned slaves; it was the norm during that time.

George and Martha "owned" >700 enslaved people. Jefferson raped and had children with an enslaved woman he "owned". You can't leave the past in the past when you have daily reminders. Hey, let's live on Jeffry Epstein Street or Dahmer Blvd.

Why does it matter how many slaves the Washington's owned? As for Jefferson, if he did rape her, and never felt sorry for it, then sure, demolish his monument. But there were many back then who did own slaves and then eventually changed their minds about it. Washington was such a person, and B. Franklin.

Maybe what ought to be done is keep the Jefferson memorial, but in it, also put a memorial up for those he wronged? What better way to remind people that Jefferson was not perfect and slavery was evil. People who go to Jefferson's monument will see both. I like the monument, and some of the words inscribed there. Mt. Vernon has something similar, I believe. They have an area dedicated to the slaves there; I think it's near Washington's tomb from what I recall.

Are you my neighbor from Charles Manson Drive?

Only if you live in Jim Jonestown. Was this a serious post?

Slavery as we know it now is a horrible thing. But, it was practiced by many countries on almost every continent, over thousands of years. It is mentioned in the Bible, the Koran, Russians had serfs who were basically slaves and could be bought and sold up until the 1800s; Africans had slaves, as did the major civilizations in the Americas.

There were those who later felt that it was not a good thing. The guy who wrote the hymn Amazing Grace was such a person. It's an amazing story of a man who was involved in the slave trade, then went on to see the evils of it, eventually getting it abolished in England. I believe he was a captain on a slave ship, transporting them to the British colonies. Should we stop singing Amazing Grace since he wrote it?

No, but we should teach kids that it was about the sin of selling human beings.

I’m fine with keeping things named after abolitionists and people who came to repent for their racial sins. But the unrepentant slave holders and segregationists should not have anything named after them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the PP from the first page. All the naming hysteria is doing is contributing towards giving Trump a second term. Have no problem with getting rid of Confederate generals' statues/ base names, etc., because they fought the United States in defense of the right to perpetuate an economic system founded on the enslavement of other human beings. That's an easy bright-line test to apply. Trump supporters---by excusing the incessant corruption and undermining of democratic norms---have made it clear that they would rather live in a white-controlled authoritarian country and give up democracy because they fear retribution when this country is a racial plurality. The logic that any white historical figure associated with slavery/discrimination in any way---no matter the norms of the time-- now needs to be vilified completely and erased from the public realm just plays into the racist narrative Trump feeds his base.

We won’t erase them. We will still discuss them in school and in museums. But we shouldn’t honor them. What is named after Hitler?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Given the Democratic Party’s heinous racial legacy (the Civil War, Jim Crow, Woodrow Wilson, etc.), the party should be renamed immediately.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/wilson-legacy-racism/417549/

Time to tear down the bridge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:because they fear retribution when this country is a racial plurality.

Retribution is already happening when it is -not- a plurality, so clearly their fears are totally unfounded and irrational...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FFS. When does this end?

It will never end.... now that the goal of legal equality has been fully reached, crusaders must get more and more shrill about ever smaller (and imaginary) slights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:George Washington also had slaves. As did Jefferson, and other US potus. Maybe we should take down their monuments.

I'm totally for BLM and renaming military bases that are named after *confederate* generals, as they are basically traitors to the USA. But, I don't think we need to rename *everything* named after people in this country's history who owned slaves. Lots of people owned slaves; it was the norm during that time.

George and Martha "owned" >700 enslaved people. Jefferson raped and had children with an enslaved woman he "owned". You can't leave the past in the past when you have daily reminders. Hey, let's live on Jeffry Epstein Street or Dahmer Blvd.

Why does it matter how many slaves the Washington's owned? As for Jefferson, if he did rape her, and never felt sorry for it, then sure, demolish his monument. But there were many back then who did own slaves and then eventually changed their minds about it. Washington was such a person, and B. Franklin.

Maybe what ought to be done is keep the Jefferson memorial, but in it, also put a memorial up for those he wronged? What better way to remind people that Jefferson was not perfect and slavery was evil. People who go to Jefferson's monument will see both. I like the monument, and some of the words inscribed there. Mt. Vernon has something similar, I believe. They have an area dedicated to the slaves there; I think it's near Washington's tomb from what I recall.

Are you my neighbor from Charles Manson Drive?

Only if you live in Jim Jonestown. Was this a serious post?

Slavery as we know it now is a horrible thing. But, it was practiced by many countries on almost every continent, over thousands of years. It is mentioned in the Bible, the Koran, Russians had serfs who were basically slaves and could be bought and sold up until the 1800s; Africans had slaves, as did the major civilizations in the Americas.

There were those who later felt that it was not a good thing. The guy who wrote the hymn Amazing Grace was such a person. It's an amazing story of a man who was involved in the slave trade, then went on to see the evils of it, eventually getting it abolished in England. I believe he was a captain on a slave ship, transporting them to the British colonies. Should we stop singing Amazing Grace since he wrote it?

Thank you. But historical knowledge and reason are anathema to the mob.